To answer my own question. The current system I am messing with is Swords and Wizardry based off 0e. I have added cantrips to wizards (still writing them out) and changed cleric casting to they get spells at level one and allow them to swap out prepared spells for healing

>>98151098
Duplicate thread. There's already an "Open OSR" one here: >>98136689

>>98151619
And it's a fake one. This is the Open OSR. The other just stole the name

>>98151619
>>98151664
Why the fuck are there multiple OSR threads why are you OSR fags petty little faggots clogging up the board

>>98151693
Because of a few reason. The osrg does not allow anything but a weirdly strict interpretation of OSR that doesn't match the accepted usage.

So you get folks making other threads. But at lest one person is in an endless fight with them and just hijacked the Open OSR name and nothing else.

Don't like em, don't post in them.

>>98151709
>a few reason
>folks
>lest
t. dyslexic hillbilly plebbitor from RPGnet trying to act like he isn't best buddies with fishfag and working with him

>>98151098
anon there really isn't any reason to make a new thread each time
seriously why the fuck does it matter if you are the one who made the thread and not some other anon?
>OP text
who the fuck cares? that one osrg-troll will continue to troll

t. not the anon who made >>98136689 but I did make an "OSR Thread" once and you did an "Open OSR" thread at the same time

>>98152096
I will keep making a new Open OSR thread with the same OP when the other expires. The other guy took the name but he just made his normal "fuck the osrg" thread.

I have no control what others do, but I wait until my threads are near the archival and delete them. If you want to go fight with the osrg trolls, there is a thread for that. It's not the point of this thread

>>98151098
I added classes to Into The Odd.
>Fighting Man, can x per day do an extra attack or frey dice from scarlet heroes where x is level
>Magic User, starts knowing 2 spells from wonder & wickedness, casts level per day safely, additional casting causes int dmg, roll under to avoid spell catastrophe
Gives it a bit more choice and differentiations without having to get into EBL's career cruft.

>>98152096
>who the fuck cares?
You obviously do, or you wouldn't be stealing the OP.

>>98152367
Never dug to car into those games as they are too light for my liking,but an extra bit of umph while fighting is nice. Who who doesn't like wizards?

>>98152367
>added classes to Into The Odd.
why?
it's classless for a reason, a lot of things are going to break
I mean you could probably make it play well but you have to do more than that

then again, I'm not the police

>>98152542
you should try learning to read anon

>>98151763
Who the hell is fishfag? Everytime I open this site there is always talk about some literal who drama, I do not care

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>>98154177
A while back, a guy told a boring story about his players selling fish in a game called ACKS and then having the funniest meltdown over people calling it boring.

When people called the story boring, he had a wild tantrum, and that's when he began calling everyone "fishfag." He continued doing that in later threads to anyone who criticized ACKS, and eventually even extending that to anyone who disagreed with him in any way.

When ACKS launched a more recent kickstarter, he actually went around the board, trying to promote the game. He posted in the /5eg/ and got swiftly told to fuck off and his posts were deleted, and then tried in the /3eg/, where the residents there instead began to mock the shit out of him and his game. Eventually, the bullying got so bad, that the ACK shill posted perhaps the funniest meltdown.

>>98154177
It's a name given to anyone who disagrees with the trolls from osrg. Pretty much every poster in this thread has been called fishfag

>>98154236
This is incorrect, and is just Fishfag spamming his fake alt-history explanation of the name. What happened was that an anon posted a brief anecdote about an occasion when he found the economic rules in ACKS useful in actual play. Fishfag, who hates ACKS, lost his shit in a comical and ridiculous way and gained his nickname for that reason, as everybody else in the thread mocked him over it.

The origin of the name really isn't relevant anyone. Half a dozen different people get accused of being "fishfag" pretty much every thread. Most of us do not care where the term came from.

>>98154300
Oh, and I frogot to explain that he's also extremely, extremely assmangled about htis name and has tried all kinds of shit to get rid of it in the past, including the false flag in his little screencap there and claiming that "Fishfag" is the name of the ACKS-playing anon who first posted the anecdote. He really hates it, and that's why he keeps trying to deny that any such person exists.

>>98154420
Fuck off dude. Pick a different name for your jihad thread.

>>98154420
>The open OSR threads exist as a response to the /osrg/ hijacking
That doesn't seem to be why the Anon who created the Open OSR name and typically posts the new threads created it at all, though? And, hijacking? That doesn't seem to be what happened at all given that all the /osrg/ regulars seem to have agreed about the scope of that general.

>as a "We're here, we don't agree with you, fuck you trollfaggots for hijacking our general."
>our general
Lmao, yeah, it's obvious how yours it is given that you can't even post in it without getting pruned.

>until they finally fuck off and the /osrg/ can be restored
So, you're saying that to you the purpose of the Open OSR threads isn't to discuss games at all, but just to mald and brigade against /osrg/? If that's true, then the /osrg/ guys are correct that these are only troll threads and ought to be removed on sight, aren't they?

>>98154484
>that screencap
Jesus Christ, that's one autistic nigger. Thread, is this real?

>>98154177
>I do not care
>spammed by troll obsessed retards with exposition lore dumps of some random idiot
Maybe you idiots should read the DMG instead of being obsessed with random trolls

>>98151098
>Thread Question: What changes, if any have you made to classes of your chosen system?
Haven't you already asked that? That's not much of a TQ.

>>98154484
>Something about ACKS makes him absolutely lose his mind: the surest way to summon this schizo is to say anything about ACKS anywhere.
Note that this is exactly identical to how you could summon him with a Dying Earth or Night Land thread. He only force dhimself to stop doing that because he got caught with his pants down, it seems.

>>98154531
>no one goes there any more
/osrg/ moves faster than either of these schizo troll threads.

What games actually fall under Open OSR? I've posted about Retro Phaze and while I like it I'm wondering if there are better games for what I want which is like, old school exploration but modern combat, or at least more gamified combat.

>>98154566
I do not recall having asked that no.

>>98154571
Open OSR covers all OSR and OSR inspired game. It's a wide field with a ton of stuff in it. What are you trying to do exactly?

>>98154571
The "old school exploration" is pretty easy to port over to games with modern combat. Most games still exist with exploration and combat existing as completely separate systems stapled together, with very little direct interaction.

>>98154603
...You realize no one cares about the /osrg/ anymore, right?
Your thread is being left alone because it serves as a containment thread for you.
Remember, you're the one in this thread, not the other way around.
No one has to "brigade" the /osrg/ in order to make it shit, that's what you do for free, what you do naturally. It's what always you do in any thread you're in, which is kind of why you have to resort to shitposting here because you really have nothing else you can do.

Now leave already. Oh, wait, you can't, because you're terrified of people discussing games outside of your echo chamber.

Pitiful.

>>98154616
>You realize no one cares about the /osrg/ anymore, right?
Again, it moves faster than either of these faggy troll threads. You can't really sell this, pal, it's way too obvious that you're just beitter and malding about your own failure.

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>>98154588
Well really I'm trying to find new systems that I don't know about that I might enjoy. It's a bit of a tall order. A lot of modern systems are just too rule dense for me to give a fuck about now. I like what I've read from b/x but I don't like how deadly it can be. I also don't care for gold for xp, because I think the main goal should be killing monsters and finding treasure should be secondary. A big plus would be a system that is easy to make classes for because mostly because I'm heavily inspired by Final Fantasy and always want to have Dragoons in it.

>>98154626
>You can't really sell this, pal,
We've seen how you post.

How you're willing to spend several days flooding threads in pure rage, with the kind of energy and dedication that can only come from someone obsessed and with no life whatsoever. We're talking about thousands of shitposts, possibly tens of thousands at this point, all because people disagree with your efforts to pin a bullshit definition of OSR to this board.
No one would be shocked if you diverted that same level of shitposting effort into making dull posts to in the /osrg/ to pretend there's life there, life that mysteriously dries up when you get temporarily banned.

>it's way too obvious that you're just beitter and malding about your own failure.
You really don't get it. You can't win.
You're not actually up against just one person like you claim, like you've built your entire lie around.

You're up against basic facts. The OSR's scope exists beyond your echo chamber definition, and people exist beyond your echo chamber as well. There's literally tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, of people in the OSR who disagree with you, because your definition doesn't make sense, is ahistorical, and worst of all, leads to awful, unfun games.

You switching to a "look, the /osrg/ is moving fast now when I make it move fast!" isn't really that impressive, because there's still not a drop of any posts worth looking at in there. You know that, which is why you're here reading these posts instead.

>>98154645
You might want something more neo clone than a pure up retroclone. Gold for xp is common but it's easy to house rule out, same with the lethality.

Off hand have you looked at any of the "without number" or black hack based games?

>>98154616
>...You realize no one cares about the /osrg/ anymore
it that were true, there wouldnt be faggots there complaining that 2e is off topic

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>>98154676
>You might want something more neo clone than a pure up retroclone
Do you have any suggestions for me to take a look at?
>Off hand have you looked at any of the "without number" or black hack based games?
The only Without number game I've looked at is Stars, and for black hack I've only looked at the Mecha Hack. I tend to be more sci-fi oriented because I don't usually find Fantasy games I enjoy.

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>>98154645
>always want to have Dragoons in it.
Have you looked at the official FFXIV TTRPG?

I've heard lots of mixed reviews of it, and since I've never played the video game I don't really have any interest in a FFXIV-specific system so I've never played it myself, but I'm curious if looking through it is what helped you reach that level of "modern systems are just too rule dense for me to give a fuck about now."

>>98154738
It was between it having the system starting at level 30 for no reason other to reference the game and the rules of Fabula Ultima made me want to give up and regress.

>>98154645
Try Basic Fantasy. It's free and based on B/X, but it doesn't use Gold for XP. As for the classes, making classes for B/X is pretty simple. I bet with a bit of googling you could find B/X versions of every Final Fantasy class, including Dragoon.

>>98154571
>obvious osrgtroll-nolifer is obvious
if /osrg/ is presumably so great, why don't you stay there?

>>98155169
I'm confused. Did you mean to reply to me? Games I'm looking to play wouldn't fall under /osrg/ because I'm not interested in how draconian they are. Also I was curious because this thread has a lot of talking but I didn't see a ton of title specific discussion.

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>>98154177
It's a forced meme with the origin story that goes like this

- /osrg/ had people who like and dislike ACKS system for ages
- a while ago some acks-anon presented a report of a pretty boring session which consisted of exploiting an economic system while being at a safe place in its entirety (which is obviously an anti-thesis to OSR-play)
- some other anon called the story boring, which caused a melty by the anon posting the playreport
- melty anon started forcing "fishfag" to mark posters he thought was the same guy who called his session-report boring
- so basically anyone who disliked ACKS or ACKS-shilling, trolls looking for easy targets, anons who disagree with him on something, like 2e being old-school
- hilariously he also believes to this day that "fishfag" also HATES with a passion anything he likes, see >>98154569 and >>98154484 picrel for anyone not particularly liking two completely unrelated somewhat mid books being called a fishfag
- also the situation was described on ACKS discord server as well, which allowed acks-fanboys /osrg/-posters to identify each other, and made a separate channel of discussion possible [which they latter used for coordinating shitposting efforts]

there is more to this story because fishfag-meme is closely tied to the latest [out of many] /osrg/ splits.
that's probably when the forcing reached its peak in a goebbels-style propaganda "there are many of us and only one is against us"
but that's the short story

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>>98154665
>He's manifesto-posting again
OSR is, has and always shall be a specific thing, bounded by its design concepts and mechanics that feed into them.
I will never understand why you are so absolutely, terminally ass ravaged over the idea that something can have clear cut edges. You don't see people doing this over World of Darkness or Dark Heresy, do you?

>>98155204
lol
look here, retard
no one looking into final fantasy vibe games would randomly waltz into an OSR thread with no mention of Final Fantasy in the OP and ask what "OSR games are actually included?"
... and then on top of that proceed to use the usual talking points

I'm pretty sure you are autistic on top of being retarded because you genuinely and fundamentally can't understand other people
it's like those fake n00b-questions you samefag in /osrg/
>Hello, I'm a total noob, please help me with this very specific question out of nowhere that no total noob could have asked
>Hello totally-not-me, here is an in depth reply to that specific question which I totally didn't have time to prepare in advance despite shitposting about trivial rules due to forgetting them is the staple of today's /osrg/
>Thank you very much totally-not-me! You are being so kind and knowledgeable, this thread is so helpful and welcoming to newcomers, I will be sure to visit this thread more again and recommend other newcomers do the same!
>... and then it was the last they ever heard of him, and instead the-total-noob-first-timer-with-a-very-specific-question-about-in-depth-details charade will repeat again in just a few days

you are to stupid to fool anyone
get lost

>>98155352
I 'eard the BroSR cabal turned Farmer Knobbs into a newt.

>>98154177
this is >>98155313 poster
and here we have a demonstration of
>basically anyone who disliked ACKS or ACKS-shilling, trolls looking for easy targets, anons who disagree with him on something, like 2e being old-school
after already calling some other anon the fishfag in this very thread
the acks-fanboys parade-brigade is now calling a completely different poster obviously in a different timezone a fishfag
>>98155352
>>98155357

>>98155357
>gets mad and drops the hey-totally-a-new-poster-here-I-don't-know-what-you-mean mask
quod erat demonstrandum

>You call everyone the same person because it's a conspiracy, despite me having a retardedly obvious way of posting
>I call everyone the same person because I'm right, despite them all sounding completely different to each other
K retard

learn to read, retard

>>98155348
>randomly waltz into an OSR thread with no mention of Final Fantasy in the OP and ask what "OSR games are actually included?"
I didn't randomly waltz into this specific thread. There was a thread about final fantasy inspired systems about two weeks ago and someone pointed me to the /nsrg/ thread that was made on 05/03 where I learned about Retro Phase in the first place. Retro Phase is a system that takes very obvious inspiration from B/X but since it isn't actually OSR I can't talk about it in /osrg/ at least that's my understanding. After that I found my way into the Open OSR thread that was posted on 05/31. In that thread someone pointed me to the Open OSR thread posted on yesterday. So like, there was very much a path that led me to here.

>>98155542
Tip: Ask that retard what "OSR" means if you want to have a laugh.

>>98154665
>You're up against basic facts. The OSR's scope exists beyond your echo chamber definition, and people exist beyond your echo chamber as well. There's literally tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, of people in the OSR who disagree with you, because your definition doesn't make sense, is ahistorical, and worst of all, leads to awful, unfun games.
lol

>posts about actual OSR games are not worth looking at!
>only my shithead trolling attempts are!
lmao, even


for real though, there should be a report type that's just "this poster is mentally ill".

>>98155348
>schizo now believes that noobs are an impossibility and actually all malevolent gangstalkers
lmaoooo

>>98155204
>>98155542
You've probably already realized this at this point but that poster is an actual schizophrenic with persecutory delusions, or else his hobby is doing a perfect impression of one on the internet. I wouldn't worry too much about his baffling accusations if I were you.

>>98155313
This explanation doesn't make sense and ism't satisfying. Because why would the guy who told the boring story about fishing start calling OTHERS fishfags? In what sad realm would he escape being labeled the fishfag himself?? For being literally the fag who gamed out fishing.

I don't know which lore is correct and which is propaganda, but this explanation is by far the most disappointing origin tale.

>>98155818
It's the most disappointing because it's a lie, you can literally look back in the archives, see the tale being told and everyone clowning on the retard for trying to pivot from "No one would ever use this, it's all just padding for the book." to "Urgh, you used it, that's so boring."
Fishfag would be a tragic figure, if not for the fact he put the albatross around his own neck and keeps trying to blame other people for it being there.

>>98154735
There are some sci-fi based OSR games, white star, orbital blues, starships and spacemen, x- plorers. Heck you could likely throw in mothership and traveller. But I don't know any with the FF vibe offhand.

OSR leans heavily fantasy, which makes sense as that was its origin. There is so much out there and most of us only know a small slice of it.

>>98155542
Thease guys are trolls from the osrg. The sun is to stop all OSR discussion outside of the osrg. But they have a very strict and limited view of what OSR is and are trying to force everyone to accept it with trolling.

Ignore them.

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>>98156036
>t. Faggot who thinks anything can be OSR if he just really, really wants it to be.

>>98153626
Added variation simply without needing much additional explanation or follow up.
Put vancianish casting back in.
Let me use another book I like.
>Into the Odd
>going to break
lol have you played the game? You can fuck it up but adding 2 player options and some spells isn't how to do it.

>>98155818
>why would the guy who told the boring story about fishing start calling OTHERS fishfags?
that's just one of his quirks I guess and it's not satisfying because it's dumb as hell
here is the first mention of "fishfag" I could find that relates to /osrg/
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/95551347/#q95571998
help yourself if you want to dive into a lake full of excrement
you'll see it's used in the same meaning as in any current thread
i.e. that "fishfag" is anit-ACKS first
the other mythological characteristics get slapped on later, first he is supposedly pro B/X, then pro 2e, then it's nightlands, then it's dying earth

>>98156082
I would argue that class abilities need class limitations and now you have to re-do the entire starting package table and maybe even do multiple tables
also having something from the start (for MU) directly contradicts the starting packages

then you have a major powerlevel boost

My point is that you can probably still play it
but you are loosing a lot of what makes it ItO (for instance character flexibility) by nailing mechanics alien to the game's core and which add little of significant value

you could also absolutely make an ItO-like class-based hack that would be more balanced and less broken but it would take more than that

I miss the week all the trolls got banned and we actually got to talk about games

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>>98156533
I dunno, you're pretty upset by it. I happen to like ACKS. I think it's a good system for a fantasy world that works economically, something that many RPGs are lacking. I wouldn't use it for everything, but it's perfect for the kind of games we play at my table.

>party is a group of dark elves
>they get involved in a civil war in the country next door but decide it's too much work
>do some dungeon delving and learning about the world
>learn that basically there's like 6 plot threads in the Republic of Issola, a Venice-analogue
>learn that spices are in great demand
>take out a 100k loan
>buy spices, precious metals, and something else
>sail up to Issola, with 0 issues due to the dice being favorable to them
>spend like a month selling the merchandise and collecting rumors
>make 17k in profit after repaying the loan + interest

pic related is the plot hooks they have awaiting them

tee hee hee

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>>98155313
>the forcing reached its peak in a goebbels-style propaganda "there are many of us and only one is against us"

>>98157495
macaroni

>>98156116
You would argue poorly then.
The starting packages for Into the Odd are not some intricately balanced science that require statistical breakdown of how much a musket or a wooden hand effect power level. Have you actually played the game?
>directly contradicts
This doesn't mean anything. Contradicts what? Where does it say
>no magic
?
>major power level boost
Anon, having a spell or an extra attack is not a major power level boost in ItO. Especially at 1st level. None of it effect the primary factor aka HP.
>having a spell or extra attack removes character flexibility
... do you play any osr games?
>adding 2 classes and another osr spell book is alien to the game's core value
Again, no idea what you're talking about here. It added quite a bit of small variation and creativity for players to have a few spells, an attack option and much greater compatibility with all the other osr material that has spells. That is significant value.
>some shit about balance and hacks
>for ito
You're all kinds of wrong in ways you can only be if you've never actually played it.

>>98155313
>goebbels-style propaganda
lmao, how can you be this histrionic about shitposting and then deny that it really hurt your butt

>>98157241
>boo hoo hoo hoo noooooooo yo ucna't post those, it means that you lose if you post them, STOP POSTING THOSE!!!!!!
Kekkkk yeah you definitely don't seem asshurt at all, flailing desperately like that

>>98157503
>goebbels
Go back to /pol/, fishfag

>>98157606
>Anon, having a spell or an extra attack is not a major power level boost in ItO.
Are you for real?
It is, specifically the extra attack... right out of the gate
And so is the 2 spells
Which no ItO starting package has (assuming spell-arcanum equivalence)

By giving players such powerful characters you ruin the entire idea of making players come up with creative solutions

You definitly have no idea what you are doing. Feel free ofc, it's not like ttrpg police is going to come for you, but I will tell you your idea is retarded every step of the way

>>98157606
>>98158657
What flavor of into the odd do you play or have you played?

>>98155313
You are one of the most bizarre schizophrenic people I have ever encountered here.
Instead of accepting that there is one thread that does not conform to your world views, you have created a bizarre alternate-history headcanon filled with shadowy cabals and actors targeting you specifically.

You are somebody on the street corner screeching about how he has evidence that he is being gangstalked.

Just accept the fact that osrg will never be what you want it to be, and move on

>>98154665
>The OSR's scope exists beyond your echo chamber definition
We don't care, you are the one who is coming into that so-called echo chamber in order to disrupt and subvert it.

If it is so bad and you disagree so much, why are you so invested in what they do?

Could y'all go argue with each other somewhere else?

>>98158907
I recall this "wave" of threads having four separate attempts at it, which did absolutely nothing to contain the brOSR shit-flinging.

>>98158907
>t. dyslexic hillbilly playing good cop to fishfag's bad cop.

>>98159035
The BrOSR are a handful of guys kayfabeing on twitter. They don't post on 4chan, fishfag. Take your meds.

>>98158907
>Y'all
You are literally a self-admitted tourist that came here from RPGnet back in February, and are trying to pass a fake hillbilly affectation.
Please run yourself through with a sword

>>98158723
I GMed Into the Odd based on the remastered book

>>98158889
lol
You are literally posting in a separate thread made specifically by anons who don't want to be in a same thread with you
You came here
None of us are posting in osrg

>>98159986
I like that it's classless but it looks far to rule light for me. Still it's an interesting idea and design.

>>98160278
That didn't happen for the first, what, fifteen years of /osrg/'s existence? Until not "random trolls", but one specific subhuman with an autistic fixation started doing it every day, multiple times a day, for years. What put a (relative) end to it was that we clarified the OP to prevent fishfag from trying to lawyer his ass into the general, and then the mods on IRC told him to stop it. So we know very well how to deal with fishfag, thank you very much.

Question for today, do you mostly run published or homebrew adventures?

Let's get back to OSR talk. I'm looking to get into ACKS, should I use 1st or 2nd Ed?
Which one has the better fishing rules?

>>98160554
Go to the archive, it has both. Download both and take a look at em. See which you like better.

>>98160554
ACKS I is too little, ACKS II is too much. But if I had to pick I'd definitely go with ACKS II.

>>98160554
1e is easier to get into, the Imperial Imprint is vastly more complete. It depends on what you prefer out of those two.

>>98160388
>What put a (relative) end to it was that we clarified the OP to prevent fishfag from trying to lawyer his ass into the general, and then the mods on IRC told him to stop it.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/osrg/order/asc/
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/osrg/text/2e/order/asc/
Oldest 4plebs archived threads are 2015, first mention of 2e in an OP among them is 2016 as an uncontroversial subject. At literally no point has its rejection been uncontroversial, and most of these earliest threads make mention of 2e material without controversy. From the archive, it is clear that the original position of /osrg/ was 2e-inclusive, it is you fucks who decided it should be narrower that changed it and continue to fling shit to this day at anyone trying to use it in this demonstrably older fashion.

>>98161323
So... you're butthurt about something you believe happened a decade ago? When you weren't even born?

>>98161323
Great, why don't you go back to the past and stay there then?
Nobody cares what you want and nobody is changing shit for you

How has nobody made the ACKS / hanging tranny basedjack Ack! joke anyways?
Feels like low hanging fruit.

>>98161323
>From the archive, it is clear that the original position of /osrg/ was 2e-inclusive
Wrong.

>>98161714
>So... you're butthurt about something you believe happened a decade ago?
>>98161732
>Nobody cares what you want and nobody is changing shit for you
>>98161323
>and continue to fling shit to this day at anyone trying to use it in this demonstrably older fashion.

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>>98162099
2e was never welcome on /osrg/. Proof in picrel.

>>98162170
>2019
Okay, what about the previous four years archived?

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>>98162193
>2019
Those are 70 (SEVENTY) post from 2012-2018, fishfag. I've highlighted the years for you.

Your compulsive lying is something to behold, fishfag.

>>98162226
>Those are 70 (SEVENTY) post from 2012-2018, fishfag. I've highlighted the years for you.
I know, and do not care because it's disingenuous cherry-picking in the first place much like your hallucination that all opposition is one troll. I linked the searches and reviewed several of the earliest threads and kept finding uncontroversial if not outright enthusiastic 2e discussion. The fact of the matter is that the OPs demonstrated the contrary position until 2017 with such things as 2e-inclusive OSR links, and the first such threads all had blowback for it. It is only VERY recently that /osrg/ OPs stabilize into any kind of anti-2e statement, after quite a long time of 2e being merely scarcely mentioned rather than opposed.

The fact remains that you are a retarded loser lying about what the prevailing opinion is.

>>98162226
Hi yokel samefag persona already declared that posting evidence doesn't count. Surely you don't expect anything like proof to sway someone who's literally insane.

>>98162267
>cherry-picking

Like I said: it doesn't count because it doesn't count. Ironclad fishlogic.

>>98162267
>I know, and do not care
You care enough to lie about it by saying that it's all from 2019, fishfag.

/osrg/ is just ACKShill central. They don’t even understand the rules of Classic D&D. They use “first decade” as a mask to circle jerk to ACKS.

>>98162335
Quit your bullshit. Last thread:

>>98125206
>322 posts
>3 mentions of "ACKS"
>One of those three mentions is by fishfag (You) trolling the general.
So that makes it TWO mentions by the supposed "ACKShills".

In fact, the only person obsessing over ACKS is (You), fishfag. You even created a separate thread to discuss ACKS specifically.

See what I mean? Go play your AI slop, ACKShill.

Could both you two fuck off to somewhere else? Do we need to make you another thread to repeat the same arguments you do every day?

This isn't the osrg, go there and argue about it because it's not relevant here

Now back onto the Topic of OSR, do any of y'all use random dungeon generators? I know there are a few good ones and I have been playing with dungeon scrawl since they implemented it on roll20 recently

>>98162433
I still can't believe how that faggot admitted to coming here from RPGnet and reddit back in February.

What is it with newfag nogames coming from other websites and demanding that 4chan change to suit them?

>>98162889
Just your run-of-the-mill Millennial / Zoomer entitlement.

>>98162281
>Like I said: it doesn't count because it doesn't count.
No, it doesn't count because the fucking OPs call attention to it not being the prevailing opinion.

>>98162298
Unless you're up to charting out the relative proportion of posting for each position across the VERY earliest OSR threads, it will remain nothing but cherry-picked anecdotes.

>>98162889
>I still can't believe how that faggot admitted to coming here from RPGnet and reddit back in February.
NTA, but what I recall is a statement of beginning to post in February after years of lurking. I personally lurked /vp/ for like two years before beginning to post there, then repeated this with quite a while spend crawling the catalogue here on /tg/ before beginning to engage.

>>98162427
Yes. Donjon is my goto, then I use overlays to stick it into Dungeon Alchemist. I will glaze Dungeon Alchemist to my last breath. It's an INCREDIBLE program.

>>98163054
>muh cherry-picking
Fuck off retard. I think OSR includes everything pre-WotC, but the consensus is against you. Go find a different community. You're not welcome here.

>>98163054
>>NTA, but what I recall is a statement of beginning to post in February after years of lurking. I personally lurked /vp/ for like two years before beginning to post there, then repeated this with quite a while spend crawling the catalogue here on /tg/ before beginning to engage.
I am the person he is talking about, and yes this is what I said. I have lurked on the TG for years, mostly the PDF share thread but posted a few times on the BT thread over the years as well. I simply wasn't an active poster. Most folks on 4 chan lurk.

RPGnet upsets them, but like most gamers I have posted on the big sites for ages, ENworld,rpgnet, dragonfoot, Paizo, Gitpg,Wotc, battletech and Pinnacle forums back when they had em and yes many reddits.I also visit a decent number of gaming discords, I don't see the big deal with it as it's pretty normal

No clue why they choose just one of the many I listed and decided that was "where I came from"

>>98163061
Donjon is a site most GMs should have bookmarked. So very useful. I had never heard of dungeon alchemist, but it does look pretty damned slick.

>>98163098
>many reddits
Go back. Not only are you a predditor, you're also an ESL.

>>98163133
Fuck off troll, this place was better the week you were banned

>>98163139
I'm never banned because I post according to the rules, you silly billy. You need to let it go and go back.

>>98163054
>the fucking OPs call attention to it not being the prevailing opinion
false

>>98163098
>rpgnet
>Wotc
>many reddits
eugh
gross

>>98163054
Yeah so like I said:
you're a secondary nogames newfag,
you use a fake hillbilly accent affectation
in text,
you came here from reddit and RPGnet recently,

And worst of all, instead of assimilating to the culture, you have decided to become disruptive and subversive. Please commit a violent act upon yourself, not enough to die, but enough to irrevocably irretrievably and irreversibly damage you for the rest of your life.

>>98163061
So I have dungeon alchemist, and I have used it before, but honestly I don't find it interesting or useful at all, it feels like I'm just using an AI crutch.

Can you give me a good reason to try it again?

>>98163515
That guy isn't me. Y'all get confused about who you are talking about a lot.

>>98163139
I know this meme gets overused, but you literally need to go back to rebbit. This website was a lot better before you plagued the board with your presence

>>98162267
I just want to add that the shitposters of /osrg/ (not to be confused with the quality posters of /osrg/) have been bringing up 2e out if the blue as a boogieman for at least two years now because that was when I first started engaging with them. It’s not THAT recent. The OP text changing and the mods taking their side is recent (tout tout).

>>98163545
>as a boogieman
...no? They have just made it clear that the game is off topic as per the outline described in the OP.
Also you have been misspelling that word for years.

Why is it so offensive to you that there is one thread, on one board, on one small website, that is dedicated to a subset of a subset of a subset, that you disagree with?

They're literally isn't anywhere else in the internet you can go that accommodates what you are looking for?They're literally isn't anywhere else in the internet you can go that accommodates what you are looking for?

>>98163574
No, I mean that posters who weren’t talking about 2e were routinely accused of liking 2e by skitzos, which is obviously still happening.
Also, lol, you used to tell people to make their own threads, now you go to their threads and tell them to discuss the OSR outside 4chan. Tout, tout, get the fuck out.

>>98163536
You thought the other person was me, I simply corrected you

>>98163621
Hey retard, you should learn to make it clear that you are not the person being talked about, if you are going to randomly show up and start defending that person

>>98163530
Son, I still go to all of those sites. It's not normal to only post in one gaming community. I have been coming here for well over a decade at lest. I don't go to the osrg but y'all love to troll every other OSR thread

>>98163630
He called the other person me. When it wasn't me. I was clearing up that person was not me. Which just shows how often the trolls get it wrong

>>98163634
NTA but the ways of the mods are random as fuck dude

>>98163522
NTA but what else have you used?

>>98163642
They seem to love removing things without even giving any context or explanation why.
It would be great if they would let me know exactly why my posts are being deleted so that I can avoid the offense, but I guess that's too much to ask. >>98163637
Are you completely unaware of how a reply chain works on this website?

Has anyone actually run a campaign with AD&D Oriental Adventures? It has some things that I think are interesting, but I'm not sure how well the town and birthright land mechanics work in practice.

I assume this is the right thread because 1.5e, since UA, OA, and the Survival Guides seem like they'd be FOEGYG in the main thread.

>>98163758
You are correct about your second assumption.

As for your initial question, I have played in an oriental campaign, but never ran one personally. I played a dwarf samurai using a dragon magazine supplement class. I remember that I tried to make honor relevant but the DM did not care

>>98163753
Same guy both times there man. Yeah the mods are ...... Something. You never know why they remove something and why they allow others to stay.

I am aware of how the site works. I didn't think I needed a NTA when saying "this isn't me"

>>98163758
This is the right thread. Can't help you on that however. Hopefully someone can

>>98163854
>I didn't think I needed a NTA when saying "this isn't me"
It seems as though when your initial reply to me you did not make it clear that you were not the person I was.
I apologize if I somehow misunderstood

>>98163867
It's all good, I may have not made it clear enough. With no names it's easy to get confused. I am the guy they call "fake hillbilly" and was totally not the guy he thought was me. Although I was called fishfag by the same guys for weeks because I disagrees with them.

>>98163897
So you are the guy who says son and y'all and started posting in february? Me

>>98163907
Yes, but the guy I replied to was calling someone else me. Just pointing out he was talking to someone else.

He was replying to this post >>98163054, which was not me. It did talk about me at the bottom and I responded to it, but that wasn't me.

It's easy to get folks confused here, but thinking everyone is one guy isn't good for anyone.

>>98163933
>Yes
>folks
Eat shit you fucking tourist loser

>>98163951
Been lurking here over a decade. No one makes you post in these threads

>>98163962
If you had actually been lurking here for over a decade, you would have known that there is absolutely no fucking reason in the world for you to have admitted to us that you are from reddit and RPGnet after that you only started participating in the culture here months ago.


You are a tourist, you are a nogames, and you type with a fake hillbilly accent as an affectation.

You are not wanted here. You are an immigrant that is unwilling to assimilate.

>>98163997
Go back to your echo chamber dude. I can't help if this place is all you have as no where else will tolerate you. That is not my problem.

Or if you would like to actually talk about games, feel free. There have been a couple of non troll questions in this thread

>>98163839
Yeah, I can see some of Zeb Cook's vision with the honor, birthrights, and skills for around town, including the Yakuza controlling blocks.

>>98164023
Incredible to see you complain about an echo chamber, when you are a literal agitator from RPG net and reddit, coolie started posting here months ago, and is demanding that we behave like those websites you came from.

Truly stunning behavior, and having been here for 20 years it's almost unmatched

>>98164206
Son, I don't demand that. I leave the osrg alone and don't post there. I simply wish to talk about OSR stuff, so I make my own threads, I don't troll the osrg and do not post there.

You are free to believe whatever you like, I don't see a point in going into your space to fight with you over it. So I simply make threads to talk about OSR stuff.

Y'all are the ones that can't stop trolling.

>>98162281
I like that as soon as fishfag was reminded about his lapsed yokel alter ego he instantly reappeared to show us that he's totally real and a separate person.

>>98163522
The maps look nice is the most appealing part BUT if you're willing to put the effort in, you can make really awesome custom maps and even import your own assets. I mostly use the automatic room builders, but my friend took the time to get gud at it, so now he's building a giant fucking castle. So I created some objects that he could use in it. It's really fucking cool.

>>98163753
>>98163854
Your posts are being deleted because your a schizo, a faggot, a schizo faggot; and you need to go back to preddit.
Your posts are being

>>98164226
>Son
>Y'all
Eat shit, fake-hillbilly tourist newfag

>>98164239
I am the third post. None of mine have been deleted. Once more you think more than one person is one guy

>>98164239
Those first two posts are mine. Curious. Care to finish your thoughts though?

>>98164245
>>98164260
I don't actually care. And clearly I forgot to delete a line you absolute mongoloid.

>>98164266
We accept your concession

>>98164266
You are talking to two different people. I am the first post, not the second. I figured the cut off was an error, no biggy. With as much as I mangle posts, I am not gonna throw shade at someone over a mistake you can clearly read around.

>>98163515
>you're a secondary nogames newfag,
I'd hardly call nearly a goddamn decade a "newfag", even if

>you use a fake hillbilly accent affectation
>in text,
Different anon, and written language on a Zimbabwean macro-history forum is not required to adhere to technical standards in the slightest.

>you came here from reddit and RPGnet recently,
Once again, the statement by that OTHER anon (who I believe to be a THIRD arguing against you, in a decidedly simpler answer to the disparity in argumentation than your own "manually switching devices while consciously adjusting posting styles") was starting posting four months ago, after years of lurking.

>And worst of all, instead of assimilating to the culture, you have decided to become disruptive and subversive.
Says the habitual and insistent gaslighter trying to pretend that "OSR" has ever meant one specific playstyle, portraying a handful of intermittent posts as a valid counter-argument to direct search links showing contrary behavior in the OPs.

>>98163574
>...no? They have just made it clear that the game is off topic as per the outline described in the OP.
As of not even a year ago, contradicted by the earliest "/osrg/" threads archived being explicitly inclusive of 2e. As your position is that your take is originalist, the blunt recounting of 2e necromancy discussion in an OP which received no blowback for doing so is in fact a disproof.

>>98164233
I distinctly recall an insistence "I" use Inspect Element to alter the page in response to screencapping the (You)s. Your metric for "samefagging" is utterly unfalsifiable without your retarded ass being doxxed and several of us showing up to your house in person.

>>98164302
>I'm not that guy but I'm gonna make a yapping wall of text sucking his dick, regardless

>>98164302
>As of not even a year ago,
Lmao what the fuck do you think "first decade" means, you buffoon?
Because that excludes 2e, and has been a part of the osrg op for six years now.

New anon (to this thread) here.
Why don't the guys who want a 2e-free thread just call themselves First Decade Only or something like that instead of OSR? Wouldn't that literally solve everything and end the whole back-and-forth trolling and achieve peace?
The idea that 2e is not considered OSR is just flat out wrong. Even the /osrg/ could attest to that. If there's a group of guys who just want to be left alone to talk about their first decade and not deal with what everyone else thinks is OSR, why don't they just go ahead and stop using the name everyone else uses to refer to pre-2000 games?
It's almost like they just want that bigger popularity of the actual OSR with actually being OSR.

>>98164360
What do you think broadly and encourage mean?

>>98164394
because the 2e-free team believe they are the true osr, and thus the name osr is correctly used by them. or they are trolling and don't give it up because anons keep arguing about it. probably a mix of both.

>>98164399
The mean that 2e is off topic, dipshit lmao how difficult is this to understand, you literal tourist?
>>98164394
>I'm totally new here, but why don't those guys being invaded just kowtow to people from other websites?
Why don't you fuck off instead?

>>98164451
If you don't want people from other websites going to a place, why use a name that they would go to?
If you called yourselves FDO or whatever, no one from the whole rest of the internet/board would bother you, and you would stop bothering them. You'd have your little private place, and people would stop bumbling in and saying things like "whoops, I saw it said OSR so I thought it'd be an OSR thread and not this not-OSR thing you're trying to build here."

>>98164459
Or, why don't you fuck off and stop trying to change stuff that has nothing to do with you?

>>98164459
Nice try with the new tactic. But no one is falling for your constant
>Erm I am actually an outside observer!
routine.

Don't like /osrg/? I don't care. Stay out.

>>98164467
Why are you in a thread filled with people that despise you instead of taking the easy solution that solves everything if your goal is to have a quiet place to discuss your first decade only games without all the icky people who learned about the OSR from everywhere other than wherever you came from?

>>98163997
>If you had actually been lurking here for over a decade, you would have known that there is absolutely no fucking reason in the world for you to have admitted to us that you are from reddit and RPGnet after that you only started participating in the culture here months ago.
What a pretentious twit you are. You don’t understand 4chan and you never will, you’re only here because other places wouldn’t have you.

>>98164477
You forgot which thread you were in again, sweetie. You also forgot who you were talking to and what you were talking about. The question is, if the OSR is a broad marketing movement and you are only interested in specific game systems, then why is your thread associated with the term “osr” and not with your system of choice?
The answer is clear, you are a hipster, you don’t actually want to discuss your system of choice. You’ve had this conversation before, and you’ll have it again, but that doesn’t mean you’re having it with the same people.

>>98162427
The best 24 dollars i ever spent was the 1001 things bundle on drive thru. 24 books, each one roll a d1001 for coin descriptions, potion descriptions, towns, villagers, scrolls, etc

It saves so much effort when stocking dungeons and having identify/detect magic be useful

>>98164636
>why dont you just conform to our changes?
eat shit, loser

>>98151098
I constantly flip flop between
>thief was a mistake and should be removed from the game
and
>thief skills are supposed to be supernatural, anyone can hide/climb/sneak/etc but a thief can do so in extraordinary circumstances
and I can talk myself both ways and never truly decide

>>98164706
But we ARE confirming to your changes, that’s not what we’re talking about, we’re asking YOU why you don’t just make an ACKS thread. Not even “why can’t you”, just “why don’t you”?

>>98164394
>Why don't you bend over backwards to ease my butthurt that "AD&D" 2e isn't OSR and it's a dead edition for storygaming nogamers who only read setting books as if they were novels?
LMAO the entitlement on this faggot.

>>98164399
How many years do you think "broadly" and "encouraged" add to a decade?

>>98164479
>filled with people
lol
lmao even

>>98164841
You're pushing the goalposts. Answer his question.

>>98163054
>it absolutely doesn't matter if /osr/ has been compactly opposed to 2e for over a decade (eleven years)
>the only thing that counts is if the very first /osrg/ OP of all time said "ANTI-2e GENERAL" in the OP text and each post in that thread was a curse upon Zeb Cook
waow
these goal posts are so immobile

>>98164348
This +
>>98164399
>I'm not that guy but I'm gonna repeat his bizarre attempt at sophism via illiteracy regardless

Comedy hour.

>>98164394
>Why don't the guys who want a 2e-free thread just call themselves First Decade Only or something like that instead of OSR?
Because 2e genuinely is not an OSR game. This is just a solitary faggy troll trying to topic slide the general by muddling what OSR means, and no, caving to that kind of shit doesn't solve anything.

>The idea that 2e is not considered OSR is just flat out wrong.
Allegedly new to all this but you're absolutely wedded to this deranged claim anyway, kek

You're way too transparent for this type of pretense, Fishfag.

>>98164459
It is an OSR thread, though. All OSR games can be discussed in /osrg/. Not our fault if you have a retarded incorrect definition of OSR from only hanging out on the terrible reddit, so stop making it our problem.

>>98165078
>it absolutely doesn't matter if /osr/ has been compactly opposed to 2e for over a decade (eleven years)
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/46790799/
Should be the "latest" /osrg/ thread over a decade old, eight mentions of 2e pretty much entirely surrounding discussion of the handling of non-human races, nearest to a condemnation being that one who prefers Gygax's writing style would probably prefer 1e.

>the only thing that counts is if the very first /osrg/ OP of all time said "ANTI-2e GENERAL" in the OP text and each post in that thread was a curse upon Zeb Cook
No, what I am calling attention to is OPs directly recounting the prior thread discussing 2e material with ensuing discussion lacking any condemnations. For fuck's sake, the second-oldest searching for 2e gives directly states 2e was allowed and had no blowback for it:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/53665094/

Do you need me to spoonfeed you with screencaps?

>>98165110
>Because 2e genuinely is not an OSR game.
By your retarded revisionist standards insisting it is prescribed, in willful refusal of how the incredibly vast majority of English functions in general and far moreso online. The language we are using simply does not function in the use-case required for your demonstrable highly fringe opinion to be authoritative when there is no concrete body giving such authority.

>>98165134
>For fuck's sake, the second-oldest searching for 2e gives directly states 2e was allowed and had no blowback for it
Are you aware that this sentence is incoherent gobbledygook? Maybe you shouldn't let an AI post for you.

>Do you need me to spoonfeed you with screencaps?
You mean like this one? >>98162170

>your retarded revisionist standards
>t. The Retarded Revisionist


Anyway, it's funny how you keep claiming this thread is a totally real for-reals thread about real games and then all you do in it is mald about how you're rightly not allowed to discuss non-OSR games in /osrg/.

>>98165164
>Are you aware that this sentence is incoherent gobbledygook?
Oh no, I added a syntactically-incorrect word, maybe violated some ivory-tower writing convention. The surplus "gives" should not make it this troublesome to spot this line in the immediately following link:
>[2]2e is an option
That is, the June 7th 2017 /osrg/ was outright explicit in being 2e-inclusive. Without blowback for it.

>You mean like this one? >>98162170
As mentioned previously, the subject is trends. I am literally just rubbing your face in the results of flipping the chronological ordering the search link YOU gave to "prove" it's a trend. For your position to be correct, the claimed trend must continue indefinitely back without interruption, whereas mine being correct requires only a single clear counter-example.

>>98165202
>found one (1) troll OP from 2017 that clearly knows it's trolling and violating the general's standards since it needs to specify that 2e is an option, i.e. this is in deliberate contravention of an already established norm
This is like linking to one of the few of your own shitass hijack /osrg/s that didn't get baleeted and using it as proof that /osrg/ has always welcomed 2e.