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>>11712969
Let me guess: Wal-Mart exclusive, and even then maybe 10% of all Walmarts in only a select few cities will actually get it in stock. Also it'll be $20 more than it should be.

I posted that, and was just being sarcastically joking when I did. I didn't know that it was actually the case. Well there's another one my city will never see thanks to shit distribution, and another one pretty much designed to be scalper-exclusive.

All the new fan-fic Joes look lame and like they're not part of ARAH. Sundown and the Raptor guy both look like jeets. And I don’t really need another Night Creeper repaint.

>>11713244
Apparently Classified is now near the era that killed Joes, maybe we are lucky and we get Manimals figures

>>11713256
Sundown looks like a Mexican vaquero

>>11713256
i just don't understand why they're making new characters when theres hundreds of existing figures to remake, all of which would sell better, even the 90's shit >>11713257 is bitching about

>>11713266
But I'm not bitching about them, I legit want new Manimals figures, I'd love Mega Monsters and Star Brigade aliens too.

>>11713266
The success of the Ghost Viper and GRIM Viper ensured that there's money to be made off of new figures made out of recycled parts.

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Toyhabbits confirmed with Super7 that Visionaries will have holograms like the vintage toys, but be based off the Sunbow character. We're getting steps and steps closer to a Hasbro shared universe O-ring figures. Would be neat if they also brought back Inhumanoids.

>>11713257
I just want them to remake 90s Joes. These new characters just feel like slop aimed at casuals, instead of filling holes in our collection

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>>11713294
>that Visionaries will have holograms like the vintage toys, but be based off the Sunbow character
Cool. It's actually possible to make a 3-D hologram off of a 2-D image. Companies did that a few times back in the 80s, and the results were alright. And it's about time that holograms made a comeback.

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>>11713300
This is the only 90s Joe I want in Classified form.

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Bravo to Hasbro for calling a deinonychus correctly instead of doing like Spielberg/Chricton and calling it a velociraptor because it "sounds cooler." Jurassic Park calling a deinonychus a velociraptor has annoyed me for quite a while. Velociraptors were the size of turkeys.

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The comic pack Cobra Commander has been confirmed to be priced at $30. Surprisingly not as expensive for Super7. Brian Flynn said at Toyfair that it's a collab with Todd Mcfarlane's Skybound comics. It sounded like it may be McFarlane trying to revive his G.I. Joe Page Punchers idea. I'd love to see more comic packs in the future.

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>>11713250
Exclusives should be banned legislatively unless they provide proof to the government that they made and distributed more of the exclusive than of any other figure in the line to that point.

>>11713315
$30 for that is still obscene

>>11713315
Skybound is Robert Kirkman (the Walking Dead, Invincible) company fyi. He's also the Chief Operating Officer for Image comics.

>>11713338
I agree. GV was such a needless source of frustration for many collectors. The price was just as bad as the distribution. It was just $15 less than a fucking Stinger with figure.

>>11713313
With some tan paint that masked head would work well on a Desert Scorpion.

>>11713244
>>11713313
>>11713250
this looks like retarded HeMan shit.

Has GI Joe lost its way?

I wonder what real GI Joe fans are saying about this shit.

>>11713478
>I wonder what real GI Joe fans are saying about this shit.
The oldest ones are probably dead by now... I'm a zoomer and I like this shit, give me crazy stuff

>>11713478
>Has GI Joe lost its way?
No. They're just running out of "the best years" figures (1982 - 1986) to produce, and There's a few bad ones they did early that new versions would improve on (like Baroness, Lady Jaye, Destro, and cobra trooper) that they just don't want to revisit.

It's time to do the weird stuff from 90s like monsters and aliens.

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I like how these guys kinda go together.

>>11713347
Yup. I think ,$25 is too high but an extra $5 for a reprint is outrageous. Shit, it's like they don't know times are hard out here for us too..

>>11713501
>they just don't want to revisit
It's not that they don't want to, it's that they want to stretch it out. The sooner people get their preferred rosters done, the more likely it is that they completely check out of the line

I didn’t know Overkill has the “Robert Skelton” underneath.
I think I may get it then.

>>11713513
If they can vac-metallize CC's face plate, then they can do it for Destro. Just saying.

>>11713478
Strange that a fake fan is talking about real fans

>>11713478
You mean the ones who bought the original gi joe dolls in the 60s?

>>11713478
I been playing with Joes since the 80s and I'm all for new stuff in Classified. I bought the same damn ARAH figures a half dozen times over my life by now, so a Cobra scientist who makes Dinosaurs or a Cowboy figure who *isn't* useless outside of a Helicopter are welcomed additions to my collection.

I would love to get Ghost Viper and that new Night Creeper too, but being Wal-Mart figures, I doubt that'll happen. I'd be curious to see if the Night Creeper and Viper's heads are cross-compatible because even a simple headswap would be a good way to make each character feel more unique.

>>11713745
I'd like DIRE Night Creeper more if he wasn't Walmart exclusive and is in the same "team colors" as Crystal Ball and Ghost Viper are.

>>11713754
I wanted a new ghost head. Now Crystal Balls head isn't special. I don't know if this is a real criticism or just autism.

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Retro card soon surely

>>11713754
Oh being a Wal-Mart Exclusive is certainly a kick in the balls. In the whole line those are always the worst. That said, the black and grey seem close enough and the clear green helps bring em all together.

>>11713758
Yea, it was kinda lazy to use CB's ghost head. Almost wish they kept the snake head out of the Ghost Viper's box and saved it for this guy. Though getting one of each would fix that issue and still give CB a team to work with. However I feel they're not done with this DIRE line just yet.

>>11713478
The original Dinosaur box set from the OG line was a super duper limited edition set with a small production run, store exclusive to a chain that had very limited footprint outside of New York, and zero promotion, making it one of the rarest pieces of GI Joe ARAH out there from the last couple of years of the line's existence.

Also, the ghost trooper shit was a literal black swan thing where NO ONE thought it would be as popular as it was and even then, a good chunk of it's popularity was centered around how insanely difficult it was to find the figure. Who knows if this second figure will do as well, especially if they increase the availability of it.

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I've got more in my pile of shame, notably serpentor, clutch and vamp and the haslab hiss tank. Oh and I think a trouble bubble maybe.
I'm reorganizing my storage.

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>>11713688
No. Besides, their opinions never mattered and they almost never post online anyway.
And after looking for a bit of the old forums... are there any old GI Joe fans left? Or are they so uninterested no one is even bothering to comment?

>>11713501 >>11713745
I honestly don't get why they go after the early 80s stuff, since like you've said, they're remade a millio times over. There's so much shit after the 80s that almost never gets attention.
The GI Joe Vs 00s line are full of original designs that were fairly popular that have never been redone, and they sorely need it, since they''d look 3x better in a realistic style. Even the 90s stuff can look great without the dayglo colors, yet only the Alley Viper got (popular) redecos/redesigns.

I grew up with the 80s shit too. I started a bit late, since i was into HeMan, so my first actual gI Joe was Spirit. Fuck yeah, an animal companion, but the new animal companions are all ridiculously huge now. I get it, they want higher price point figures to charge you double, but why not do the shit they did in the 00s and give you a neat minivehicle? Rocket packs, air gliders, power armor, motorcylces, etc, wouldn't be that much more expensive and probably cost less to produce than some articulated animal.

10 minutes into the future mechanical shit like like that actually fits in with gI Joe, instead of the increasingly fantasy animals that they're releasing. It doesn't look like GI Joe anymore

>>11713478
Gen X’er here. And I’m fine with it as long as it’s detailed and looks cool.
You kids must realize Cobra-La and dna melting pot Serpentor, are more farfetched than cloning dinosaurs, right?

Dino Hunters was already part of G.I.Joe anyway.
And it’s not like they’ve given up on the military aspects. Look at Action Soldier Special Forces

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>>11713823
Are you kidding?
Those things looked fucking stupid even back then.

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>>11713889
I said 00s, not 80s.
There was similar cooler shit than that in the 80s, but they didn't come with figures. Hasbro doesn't want to give you lower price point shit anymore... or rather, stores don't want to carry it. $20 toys don't cut it anymore.

>>11713884
All that shit you mentioned didn't have staying power though. Seperantor, Cobra La, dinoshit, was quickly forgotten about and treated as a joke for ages.
Hasbro tried to do that shit for Venom Vs Valor too and that spelled the end for the GI Joe Vs Cobra line from the early 00s.

TRU making subsequent Robot leftovers and more grounded figures as a store exclusives actually saved the GI Joe line since Sigma 6 failed horrible, hence Hasbro returning to 1:18 for the 25th line.

>>11713779
>The original Dinosaur box set from the OG line was a super duper limited edition set with a small production run, store exclusive to a chain that had very limited footprint outside of New York, and zero promotion, making it one of the rarest pieces of GI Joe ARAH out there from the last couple of years of the line's existence.

....well shit, now I feel really bad for losing almost everything from that set and breaking the Desert Fox repaint that came with it. I mean, yea I was a kid at the time, but it was still a cool set.

Also, Classified Desert Fox when?

Also also, Classified Dino Hunters Haslab with to scale articulated T-Rex when?

>>11713932
>Sigma 6 failed horrible

I thought Sigma 6 actually did well in stores and only got sidelined because of the movie coming out. IIRC, the 25th stuff was just supposed to be the two box sets and some random single packs, but was unexpectedly popular and Hasbro had to pump out more then expected of that line.

>>11713961
Sigma 6 was a dud.
Lots of posts about shit being clearanced out... not Classified levels of being clearanced out, but back then, toylines needed to meet a higher standard of sales and Sigma 6 quickly lost support from Walmart, which was the entire reason why Hasbro increased the scale in the first place.

Weirdly enough, the 2.5 mission sets seemed to sell better than the 8" dolls. The minisets actually seemed to sell, since they'd sell out sometimes.

I like sigma 6 characters and armor designs, but not the dolls

>>11713506
Some dope 90's shit.

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>>11713506
The SAW Viper is soo cool. They took a goofy ass design and made it work.

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>>11713338
>Exclusives
>banned
>they made/distributed more
>than any other figure

>>11713338
the thing about exclusives is that they likely wouldn't exist if they weren't exclusive, because those types of products are made to entice a retailer to carry the product AND/OR because no other retailer wanted it.
So if it wasn't exclusive, the product would not exist and/or the line itself wouldn't exist.

Figures are rarely ever taken out of a normal wave and usually they're just redecos anyway. So most of the time, you're not missing anything except some new color or NEW HAT.

>>11714005
Heck Yeah!
>>11714053
Great photo!
Man I love your eye for composition!

>>11713338
I always find it adorable when autists sperg out about something and demand government intervention. It's so quaint.

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>>11714092
It wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for shit distribution as well as "always the lowest price" Walmart price-gouging.

>>11713961
Dinosaurs was a Jurassic Park cash-in. Yeah I get that Cobra dinosaurs pre-date JP by several years in the "Primordial Plot" episode, but it doesn't change the fact that Hasbro didn't do dinosaurs until the competitor did dinosaurs.

>>11713889
I applaud Hasbro for doing that. Back then Hasbro actually cared about affordability, and producing stuff that even poor kids could afford. So there were kids who's parents couldn't afford the big expensive stuff, but at least they still got something. Modern Hasbro doesn't give any fucks. They've abandoned the cheap "authentics" line without producing hardly anything for it while they keep upward-pressure on prices.

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>>11713823
Helix and Zanya are modern-era figures. There's more for Hasbro to do if it weren't for the fact that millenials want the Joes from their era done now (late 80s/early 90s).

>>11713478
>I wonder what real GI Joe fans are saying about this shit.
I've an oldfag OG fan. I'm OK with new stuff keeping the line fresh. I just wish they wouldn't do this "IF YOU WANT US TO GET TO STUFF YOU REALLY WANT THEN YOU HAVE TO BUY THE SHIT YOU DON'T WANT TO KEEP THE LINE GOING FORWARD" crap. It helps the line last for years but it also makes people wait for years. It doesn't take this long to get a fucking Skyhawk or Firebat. It doesn't take this long to repaint Rattler Baroness in her OG blue.

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>>11714253
>I applaud Hasbro for doing that. Back then Hasbro actually cared about affordability, and producing stuff that even poor kids could afford. So there were kids who's parents couldn't afford the big expensive stuff, but at least they still got something. Modern Hasbro doesn't give any fucks. They've abandoned the cheap "authentics" line without producing hardly anything for it while they keep upward-pressure on prices.

Hasbro was putting out a line of like, $8 GI Joe figures that ran concurrently with Classified the first year it was around. The only actual issue is that the line had the SE movie branding on it, when only like three of the figures were from the movie, and all the rest were figures like ninjas and night creepers and other troopers. These guys were like 5" and even though they weren't as articulate as classified, they had a lot more articulation than you'd think and multiple accessories. They weren't even really that bad of figures.

In fact, Hasbro still does this stuff for Marvel and Star Wars. There are options for like $10 figures right now for major brands. It isn't like the only options are the nearly $30 Classified/Marvel Legends/Black series, etc.

>>11713766
>Yea, it was kinda lazy to use CB's ghost head.
CB sold out kind of quickly and the scalper prices are a bit much, so maybe they saw it as a second chance to get that head. A different head would have been cool. I would have settled for a "skull face" helmet/visor like GV got.

>>11713884
Finding intact dinosaur DNA is impossible because even under the best conditions DNA completely deteriorates after around 100,000 years, so splicing the human genome is more realistic.

>>11713478
>this looks like retarded HeMan shit.
Mattel made billions off of rmaking new figures out of recycling molds to other figures, and it can work with Hasbro too. Grim and Ghost Vipers proved that. Even Hasbro proved that way back in 1982.

>>11713823

The dayglow colours are kind of the whole point though? I get theres a sect that like the more militaristic idea of Gi-Joe but the brand has always been goofy sci-fi to some degree. I'm here for the day-glow plastic just as much as any more serious designs like the Grenadiers or Troopers.

>>11714328
Crystal Ball and Ghost Viper would have been cooler in flourescent day-glow clear plastic instead of the dull green with blackwash we got.

>>11714085
Anon, what is being excluded is the other retailers since only 1 retailer carries it, not the customers.

>>11714396
>not the customers.
Tell that to the people who lived in cities that never got ghost viper while some stores in some cities had endcaps full of them while their online site did an absolute shit job keeping it in stock. I'd say they did a pretty good job at excluding customers with that one.

>>11714412
That is why legislative action is needed to force them to make more figures if they do store exclusives. So while other stores may be excluded, the customer is not.

>>11714424
It was $60, which was $20 more for a comparable figure box shortly earlier. They knew it was a bullshit price but they wanted it anyway as an exclusive that no other retailer's gonna get to price-compete against them. And they got it through limited production paired with squeezing distribution to make collectors go "jingle all the way" with rushing to what stores that did get them in to pay that $60 for turboman excuse me GV without hesitation "before it's too late."

IF they had produced a lot of them, then that $60 wouldn't be such an easy sell as many would sit on it while telling themselves they'll wait for the clearance price. They knew what they were doing. It was a complete sell-out success through market manipulation of making people want it more by making it harder to find.

And they'll do it again with DIRE Night Creeper.

>>11714424
This is the most immature, childish thing I've seen posted on /toy/ in a hot minute. And I witnessed someone have a melty in the Marvel thread yesterday for being called a slowpoke.

>>11714502
Well, zoomers do need big brother to control every facet of their lives, they can't really think or make decisions for themselves, so they need the government to control toy prices so they don't spend all their neetbux at once.

>>11714506
It's laughable

>the government should force retailers to prioritize toy higher than any other product sold in their stores
I mean holy shit. It's like these retards don't understand the reason for such shit distribution is because toys are the LOWEST priority for a retailer like Target or Walmart. The toy section is always rife with trouble, be it collectors causing a fuss, or retards being retards. It has a high theft rate, and only sees any actual traffic two months out of the year. You wonder why the toy section at Target is rarely updated? Because toys are such a low revenue stream for these places it's actually kind of a miracle they even still carry them at all.

>>11714514
Why do stores carry toys if they're such a poor source of revenue?

>>11714502
We must control the immoralities of business, not just in toys. This exclusive idea is but one way businesses take advantage of their customers. For we are the prey, and businesses are the predator. If you wish to be preyed upon, continue defending Hasbro and retailers and keep having to bend to their whims.

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Chances of these being written by AI?

>>11714554
Just move to Venezuela or something then

>>11714527
Because it's a good way to get parents into the store. Promise the kid a toy if they stay quiet while mommy buys all her clothes and food and bath supplies and stationary all in one place. Back in the day these stores had to put *some* effort in to keep people from leaving and going to TRU. But as soon as TRU collapsed, all these big box retailers dramatically shrunk their toy sections, dropping em by more then half in many locations.

It's the same reason why a lot of places sell things like milk at a massive loss. It's something to bring people into the store so they can buy more of their better selling stuff. Mom won't go to the store with out a toy section because the KID won't go to the store unless they get to look at toys.
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>>11714579
>Mom won't go to the store with out a toy section because the KID won't go to the store unless they get to look at toys.
This is how I know you're not a parent

>>11714253
>It wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for shit distribution
Blame yourself for not buying more GI Joes. The only reason your Walmart doesn't get those GI Joe exclusives is because the computer blocks them from getting stock, because of how poorly it sold in your store/area.

>Modern Hasbro doesn't give any fucks
Hasbro would LOOOVE to sell you more types of products, but it's stores that don't want to carry it, because GI Joe is such a poor seller now.
Like that other anon pointed out, they have released budget figures, but only because they thought GI Joe would sell in great quantities thanks to the movie. They (hasbro and retailers) thought the relaunch would actually big much greater than it was, since they released the 1:18 line with updated figures too. so there were THREE toyline options back then. Now there's one and that one has 1/3rd the space it got in the relaunch, because sales are that low.

You can only blame the consumer for your not being able to get any of this shit, but you can also blame Hasbro for not making products that consumers actually want to buy.
This is a chicken or the egg dilemma.

Personally, I blame Hasbro, because I'm not a fan of most of what they've released for Classified and they also fucked up the 1:18 releases with their fortnite-tier sculpts and tired re-re-re-re-re-releases (this applies to their 1:12 figures too).

>>11714567
>White guy grew up privileged
>Brown guy struggled and had extra hardships in life thanks to Headman, who's the one drug dealer in Mexico who's a White dude and also dresses like a 1920 zoot-suit pimp.
That sounds about typical with liberals.

>>11714585
And this is how I know you're underage.

>>11714591
Actually it's the retailer that's to blame. Hasbro is only going to make as many as they ordered and retailers don't care about specific characters or items outside the biggest names, just that they have enough product on a shelf.

If there isn't enough of an exclusive to go around, that's because the retailer, not Hasbro, not the end Customer, didn't want that many of said exclusive. Because again, retailers don't care about specific single toy releases.

>>11714628
>No U
Great retort

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>>11714328
>The dayglow colours are kind of the whole point though?
Not really.
It was to grab kids attentions, but it looks outlandish once you actually own them and put them in with the rest of your collection. Shit like that kept me from buying figures in the 90s, despite my initial likes.

There's a lot of cool designs that are hard to see because they're so bright, and hasbro has given us a FEW much needed remasters, but there's a lot more out there that need that. So i don't think Hasbro needs to be realistic, but there's a very happy medium that made GI Joe stand out for decades.

>>11714567
ZERO, because that's way too wordy (left wing meme?) and actually pretty Larry Hama-ish with the way they mock their names. That Mexican's name is hilariously long and then the much shorter twin bother's name is almost funny.
It almost makes me sad that the designs are so shit.

>>11714606
Larry Hama started it in the 80s with Baroness being a rich white girl who joined the revolution because she was bored... but that's actually pretty edgy? Larry Hama is a real leftist though. Read about some of his actions here: https://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/adventures/frames/chips2.htm (starts at the 3rd part: enter the dragon)

>>11714634
I figured I'd keep my reply age appropriate, it's not really fun to pick on kids.

>>11714606
That's >>11712096 a white guy?

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>>11714633
You can't blame retailers if those retailers were left holding a ton of stock that needed to get clearanced out.
This is why the computer blocks those stores from getting stock in thefirst place.

Stores like Walmart don't dsitributor any products evenly as a rule. They know exactly how much shit sold the last month/week in every store and they decide whether enough stock sold to actually be worthwhile to send them more stock.
My closest Walmart hasn't carried GI Joes since a few months after the movie bombed and you can personally hold me responsible for that, because i didn't buy shit. From 2008 til 2013, i actually bought up shelf warmers, just to show my support. If they had nothing new i wanted, i bought something anyway. So i have more than a few Dukes, Jungle Vipers, Dustys, Snake Eyes, and other figures nobody wanted to buy, just to clear out their stock. And i have no problem owning triple/quadruples when they look this good.

>>11714645
I LOVED a lot of the designs from the 90s, but *loathed* the color choices for many of em, especially when everything went full blown neon. A great example of this is Barricade, as a kid the original was my favorite Joe. A golden Robocop looking dude with a kick ass battering ram missile launcher with a built in minigun that could mount on his back. But at some point, as O-rings did in the day, a thumb broke and I *had* to get a replacement. Well woe and behold said replacement was a repaint where his cool dark blue undersuit was recolored into *bright salmon pink*.

Like who's idea was that? His card are even showed the old blue deco. It sucked cause I couldn't even just swap the arms since the arms of the new one is where most of the pink was. Very rarely did those neon colors work back then and they certainly don't work today.

>>11714660
I was gonna say, >>11713313 looks pretty dark to me. I'll probably use the trooper head on my version, but if I get myself a decent lab coat build or something, the unmasked head would probably see use there. It's nice Classified went with an actual named Cobra character though instead of just another Viper.

That said, I still want a Classified Night Adder.

>>11714673
I can't even remember the last time I bought a Classified figure at a retail store.

.....because I buy all of em online like an intelligent person. Retailers have ALWAYS had too much power in what figures get out there, and buying direct from Hasbro is always a better way to get the figures you want. There's a reason why the *only* hard figures to get these days are Retailer Exclusives, especially ones from Wal-Mart.

You can't blame Hasbro as they make good figures people want, you can't blame customers as they're buying those figures and urging Hasbro to make more. The collapse in the chain falls squarely on big box retailers as they're the ones who under order, over price and fail to deliver.

>>11714687
I used Blu Tack for my broken-thumb figures kek

>>11714591
Ghost Viper was a fucking scam. The distribution was deliberately shitty to create an artificial sense of scarcity to get people to forget about the bullshit price (and it worked).

>because GI Joe is such a poor seller now.
Here we go again. Store "A" overloads on an item, and Store "B" on the other side of town doesn't get the item at all. Store "A" has more than what it can realistically sell, so it ends up with a surplus that goes on clearance. That surplus never would have happened with more even distribution. That's their shit system and not the lack of sales responsible for what you call "poor seller."

>>11714645
Flourescent colors need to be used more tactfully than they were in the past. I am fine with bright colors personally. I'm definitely getting Airtight because they kept him in the right colors instead of dulling him like they did with Sci-Fi. And I get why others want them too because after a certain point Hasbro did a lot of flourescent colors with the line, and there's a lot of people who want modern versions of that. And that's ok. There's still plenty of gridark figures to choose from, and its alright that Classified has a variety in it.

>>11714703
>Store "A" overloads on an item, and Store "B" on the other side of town doesn't get the item at all. Store "A" has more than what it can realistically sell
That's not how it works.
The computers dictates how much stock each store gets based on previous sales. This is why Store B gets nothing, because the last sales went so poorly it didn't make any money from the stock they got last time.
If store "A" is overloaded with shit, it's because consumers aren't buying it.

Again, all of walmart/target/gamestop/etcs decisions on stock is based on what CONSUMERS are buying from their stores. Whether it's Hasbro's fault or not, that's the question.

>>11714696
I'll buy toys anywhere. I still shop in physical stores, so I'm checking the toy aisles almost almost everyday.
And the vast majority people still buy shit physically too. Physical retail still makes up 80% of sales.
The fact is that stores get these exclusives to get people into their stores. Hasbro is obviously desperate to get Walmart to continue ordering their GI Joe line and these exclusives are a way to incentivize Walmart.
Again, these figures only exist in the first place because stores want exclusives.

Personally, i really don't give a shit about these exclusives, because they're just lazy redecos. You'd have a good point if it was stuff like the Cobra Island stuff (oof that so many new figures had to become exclusive), but not this shit.
>You can't blame Hasbro as they make good figures people want
False, otherwise shit wouldn't end up on clearance, shipped off to Ross for years, and retailers wouldn't be decimating their shelf space for the line.

Dinosaurs are cool

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>>11714819
Even ones that sold well and are owned by pretty much every classified collector (BAT, Crimson Guard, EEL, Beach Head) ended up at clearance thanks to the surplus of some stores getting them while others didn't. Baming the customers for the lack of availability is purely retarded.

>>11713244
>>H-Hey, Universal...How have you been? So, how's the Jurassic franchise doing with Mattel? Y'know, ever since you stripped us of the Jurassic license and gave it to them...I mean, yeah, you had every right to take the license from us after JW1! Totally understand your reasons and we totally agree that we screwed that line up! Not arguing about that, heheh...So, anyways just thought we'd tell you about one of our latest GI Joe Classified figures. Check it out, a collector-grade 6-inch scale Deinonychus! Lots of articulation, sharp sculpt, and, obviously, no glaring screw holes whatsoever! Pretty neat huh? So, just wanted to show you that. I mean, Mattel seems to be hitting it out of the park with a lot of their figures, but, y'know...If you're ever thinking about giving the license to someone else again, we're still here and we've learned from our mistakes. Okay?

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>>11714835
Well, what are you going to do?
Store A and B get 1000 units in 2022. Store A sells all 1000 units and Store B sells 500. Store B clearances most of that shit of.
In 2023 Store A gets 1000 units and store B gets 500. Store A sells 800 units and Store B sells 200 units. Lots of shit ends up at Ross.
In 2024, Store A gets 800 units and Store B gets 200 units. Store A sells 500 units and Store B sells 50 units. Lots more shit ends up at Ross.
In 2025, Store A gets 800 units and Store B gets nothing. Store A sells 700 units and shit gets clearanced off.

Why would Store B continue getting stock if the line continues selling poorly for them?
How many people are actually missing out on them anyway? Obviously not many, if that much shit is going on clearance that a nationwide chain like Ross is able to stock up on THAT much stuff.
I'm honestly surprised that GI Joe is still around, because i saw waaaaay more GI Joe shit on Ross shelves than i did when Overstock was killed off. And Overwatch was a SINGLE year whereas GI Joe has been at Ross every single year since the movie bombed. It's been bleeding like a stuck pig for almost 5 years and still isn't dead.

Your entire argument seems to stem from being an entitled children without a car. Go on a fucking hunt for toys if you're not able to find shit. It's what we used to do back when the Pursuit of Cobra came out. /toy/ was pretty great back then, because we had various anons announcing our cities and what stores they were finding stock in.
Yeah, i personally didn't find everything i wanted on shelves, but my world didn't end because i couldn't get a toy i wanted. I eventually turned to eBay or conventions to buy shit i missed out on and it was no big deal.

>>11714824
They are

Is this same conversation happening again
Can't you just look at all the past times you've had it and be satisfied with that

>>11714854
No, subjectanon likes to repeat the same arguments over and over and over again for years. Not sure when this one started but it isn't stopping anytime soon.

>>11714856
more like
>entitlted children bitch about stores not personally ordering an entire case for them and disagree with how stores order stock
It's another case of them hating on reality

The fact that something is repeated is simply because that's how we know something is selling poorly, because that's how stores get rid of unsold stock at a distribution/wholesale level.

>>11714579
I mean our toys, hyper articulated action figures, anon, not real toys.

>>11714850
Which is bullshit because all it takes is one bad wave to never get toys ever again.

>>11714840
rape chris cocks

>>11714854
That would be nice, but Mr "Classified is a failure" keeps bringing it up.

>>11714872
Exactly. It's basically "but all the shit you don't want if you want to expect to get more in the future." So buy retro Stalker, the Frag Viper, and the other shit figures or you get nothing once good ones come out.

>>11714696
you may think it's intelligent to buy figures online, but you won't get good sales that way and you'll be stuck holding product you paid MSRP for rather than being able to get it on clearance at retail because warehouses are endless

>>11714567
>Headman! and the Lords of the Underworld!
>Darkness fills our hearts with pain

>>11714868
Thanks for proving my point

>>11714878
If we all relied on sales then the line would die, retard. There's a middle ground between "Hasbro prices suck, I hope they go bankrupt" and "wow I sure love Hasbro and will buy all their releases" you moron.

>>11714840
No?

>>11714872
That doesn't happen.
Shit like Winter Destro shelf warmed for a very long time, clogging pegs, not allowing new waves to come in, but the line continued on for years later.
Even Classified has had multiple bad years, considering how much shit has gone to Ross.

So it literally can't be "one bad wave," because stores basically order shit for almost a year in advanced. Two or three waves worth of toys. And if shit fails... well, it failed. They can't endlessly order/produce shit just because YOU wanted to see more.

So what do you want them to do? You're basically asking stores to take a loss just so they can cater to you personally. Entitled as fuck.

Consumers vote with their wallet and if consumers decide not to buy shit at Walmart/Target/primary retailers that actually fund these toylines, you can't blame retailers for a toy selling poorly and them refusing to carry it in their stores.

Again, if Hasbro produces shit that isn't being bought by consumers, then it's either Hasbro's fault for not making something consumers want or it's consumers moving on/being too poor/mommy can't drive me a city over to buy an exclusive

>>11714878
the guy's a retarded shut in who thinks he's entitled to stupid redecos. he doesn't understand how retail or toy sales work, muchless why exclusives are even created.

>>11714871
Because dads buy these things now and it's a good way to get them into the store as well. My kid loves taking trips to target because the first place I go is the toy section. I usually leave disappointed because they don't stock crap no more, but she'll walk away with at least one new toy....usually two because she cute.

At this point the only thing I'll been buying from target is deep discount Marvel Legends, mostly female characters at that. They're actually solid figures, but usually sell awful at retail.

>>11714875
Retro Stalker is an unwanted figure? Him and the Frag Viper are both awesome, the latter being one of my most wanted figures and a glaring absence from the ME stuff. Just say you don't like G.I. Joes and stop pretending to actually collect the line.

>>11714878
Eh, I'm not a fan of gambling. I'll pay a bit extra to make sure I got it instead of waiting six months and hoping my local stores actually get the figures (they don't) and that those figures will actually go on discount (they won't).

>>11714907
I'm ready for some D.E.F.

>>11713884
>You kids must realize Cobra-La and dna melting pot Serpentor, are more farfetched than cloning dinosaurs, right?
You've gotta love how there was a Sunbow GI Joe episode about Cobra harvesting DNA to from fossils to create dinosaurs and how it was made before the Jurassic Park book was published.

>>11713932
>Seperantor, Cobra La, dinoshit, was quickly forgotten about and treated as a joke for ages.
The old dinosaur toy was obscure and pretty quickly forgotten, but Serpentor was an important character. He's a divisive character people either love or hate, but there's definitely a side of the fandom that wants him around and wants toys of him, and some who drew the line after Serpentor and the BATs, like that far and no further in sci-fi stuff in their GI Joe.

Cobra-La, sure, a lot more people hate it than love it, and Hasbro only revisited it once before Classified, but it's not something the fandom has ever forgotten, even when it's just people complaining about it.

>>11714053
SAW Viper was always cool thoughever.

>>11714951
Literally not how it works and figures like Arctic Destro clogging shelves are why later wave figures were always so hard to find. Retailers only ordered more Joes because the line got refreshed into a new subtitled series and started at Wave 1 again.

It wasn't really until the success of Hasbro's Marvel Legends line, and the subsequent Star Wars Black Series, that they kept the same sub-name name for their Toylines like we see today with G.I. Joe and Transformers. Before then a line would get 3-4 waves then have to start over to incentivize retailers into buying more product.

Now that Hasbro can sell more things directly through Pulse and online retailers have more traffic in the collector's spaces, they don't have to constantly rename their toylines to get Retailers to buy them as they're far less dependent on brick and mortar sales. Especially for smaller lines like Classified, which only continues to exist because it does have a dedicated fanbase buying figures early and directly from Pulse.

>>11715008
>The old dinosaur toy was obscure and pretty quickly forgotten

Mostly because, even as far as rubber Dinos of the time went, it was a pretty shit toy. I remember being fairly disappointed with the fact it's arms were sculpted flat against it's chest as a kid. It looked more like a green and yellow tube with teeth then an actual dinosaur. Combine the JP push at the time completely changing how we look at T-Rex as a whole and, the Dino was easily the weakest part of the set.

I mostly liked it because of the cool vehicle and TWO figures being packed into it.

>>11715008
>>11715033
The dino toy is just a remold of the extremely famous and prominent imperial toys t rex, one of many cheap dinos available in every toy store from KB to TRU to dollar stores for years. The only real difference is that its arms were molded out instead against its chest.

>>11713313
True, Crichton was just jumping the bandwagon on some paper wanting to re-classify Deinonychus as a species of Velociraptor. Obviously, history wasn't on his side but it was always meant to be Deinonychus. Didn't help that the movies stuck with that outdated info even up till now with JW. It's not as if the "Raptor" nickname couldn't be applied to Deinonychus anyway.

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Always had a soft spot for this guy. I'm glad they remembered he had thinning hair but I'm really glad they finally put eye protection on his hazmat mask.

>>11715033
It's literally how it works. You see all that shit announced at Toy Fair? That's everything retailers are ordering for the later part of this year, if they already hadn't ordered it already. Orders need to be made almost a year in advanced. They can't really make any changes even a few months in advanced, unless they're going through some distributor/wholesaler (which had to make their orders almost a year in advanced). This is why so much shit goes to Ross in the first place, because if a toyline sells poorly, retailers are backed up with shit they ordered 9-14 months ago and they need to dump it to make room for stuff that does sell.

>Before then a line would get 3-4 waves then have to start over to incentivize retailers into buying more product.
Retailers aren't retarded, dude. The renaming thing is purely for customers and you're confusing the SKU change up with the renames. And again, since retailers aren't retarded, that SKU change up isn't much of a trick.

And Winter Destro came out in wave 2. There were 4 more waves after that in the Pursuit of Cobra line. The fall reset (that happens in late summer) actually cleared up the pegs, and the later waves were harder to find solely because they were holiday releases. Can you imagine toys being hard to find during the Christmas season? GI Joe used to be popular like that.

And subnames are still constantly in use. See Transformers, because shock and awe, kids like seeing story change ups like that. For whatever reason, Marvel Legends doesn't have those subline names, but they were/are all themed from wave to waves (BAFs and teams). The Marvel LEgends line is also where people first learned about the SKU trick, btw.

>>11714850
This reminds me of when those Dollar General figures first came out. Everyone was going on hunts and trying to find DG were they were stocked. It was fun seeing everyone work together. It was also funny because a lot of collectors found out how absolutely ghetto and random DGs are.
Zoomies missed out on that era of collecting.

>>11715116
I went to so many DGs by me and none of em ever had ANY Joes in stock. I did find some of those figures eventually though, but in the oddest of places. I found it in the gift shop of a local Air and Space museum while I was there for a small Comic Convention they were running. I don't know of those Joes were always in that shop or if they stocked up some more pop-culture figures to take advantage of the Con, but it was absolutely bizarre to see G.I. Joe figures sharing the shelves with cheap-o pull back airplanes, puzzles of outer space and astronaut Ice Cream.

>>11714924
I don't really care, let the rich support the line. I will buy on sale.

>>11714850
Lol, that's really not how it works at all. It really is usually as simple as "bigger stores get more, smaller stores get less." It has to do with area, foot traffic in the store, and some of it is by volume.

Things don't go from Hasbro directly to the store. They go to a distribution center, and then to the individual stores. And often times, stores have no control over how much they get. Stores may ask for 1000 and another store may ask for 10, and both stores may end up getting one case of 6 figures and that's it. If it is an exceptionally large store with high foot traffic like in the middle of New York City, they may get 20 cases (even if they asked for 50), and Cuntbumbler Tennessee may ask for 5 cases and get nothing.

Sometimes, if there are particularly lazy workers, they may just dump all the boxes on whatever the closest semi is, and most of the other reasoning can be damned.

>>11715355
Not sure if you're a third worlder or a 60 year old man who doesn't know how computers keep track of everything to ensure stores get the right amount of units sent to them.
Everything is tracked and counted (scanned), and most stores don"t "ask" for anything, because the computer is the one dictates what they're going to get now. Maybe a regional manager will change the numbers for a store IF a store manager/higher up asks for it.

BTW, example i gave is a very simplistic way to show why 1 store will keep getting stock and another won't.
Nevermind the fact that they wouldn't get 1000 units either. That one picture Ghost Viper on an endcap is probably the max a store gets, where they just shelved their entire shipment on an unused spot just so that they have space in the back.
And Rosses wouldn't actually get anything from the stores either. Shit gets clearanced off in store or sent to remainder (local) stores. So only shit from the distribution center would get sent to Ross and that would be in far larger numbers. Tens of thousands and maybe even hundreds of thousands if it sold that poorly.

So again, why would Store B keep getting stock if it's selling so poorly and they actually lost money shipping shit to Store B?

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Made post on B/S/T but figured would also mention here. Making custom for which I want to use the carded, older Duke head/body.
Not the Ram/Tiger Force face, (younger looking).
No need for accessories, just complete figure.
If you have one to spare/unload, please check out my post.
Thank you!

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>>11715122
Some of those figures were so fucking good, especially for a Dollar General release.

>>11715279
If you think buying $28 action figures is a rich man's game, you probably need to find a new hobby better suited to your financial situation.

Tldr, get out poorfag.

>>11715367
Yeah bro, the third worlders thing is definitely coming off as some kind of weird projection.

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>>11714955
>Retro Stalker is an unwanted figure? Him and the Frag Viper are both awesome,
Somehow they made Classified FRAG Viper an extension of it being a failed Cobra-La figure repackaged as a Cobra trooper (like the original was), and Stalker was OK but he was definitely over-produced.

>>11715091
Getting the hair right was a nice touch, as was getting his hazmat suit's colors right.

>>11715417
Not him, but $28 per figure with vehicles starting at $75 adds up fast. Throw in deluxe figures that were once $40 each but are now $60 each.

>>11715426
Even adding up multiple purchases, it's still chump change when you compare it to other hobbies. Try being into restoring cars, or any kind of outdoor activity and the cost is substantially higher than collecting little plastic army men. Seriously, if less than $30 is too expensive for you, you need to find a new hobby.

>>11715443
I briefly tried collecting ancient coins. Yeah I know it's always cheaper in comparison to other hobbies, but the prices still add up fast, and the prices solidify Classified as a line for adult collectors and not for kids.

>>11715452
>ancient coins
Now I bet THAT is expensive.

>the prices solidify Classified as a line for adult collectors and not for kids.
Was that even in contention? GI Joe doesn't have one that I know of, but a lot of other properties out there like Marvel, DC, SW, or TMNT all have dedicated kids lines that go alongside their more collector oriented lines. Like Hasbro views Marvel Legends, despite them still being in the toy aisle, as the collector line for Marvel, hence them doing comic book specific characters, characters based off specific storylines and artists, and so on. Meanwhile Hasbro has their Action Hero line or whatever it's called for kids that's cheaper, simpler, and uses more evergreen versions of characters instead of comic or artist specific renditions. I always assume anything at the $28 price point isn't really being marketed to kids, and that was the case even years ago back when stuff was only $20. Even at $20 I don't know of any parents buying MLs or Black Series for their kids.

>>11715454
>Now I bet THAT is expensive.
Gold and silver are completely unobtainable unless you're well into a high-six-figure salary. All I could afford was copper coins.

>Was that even in contention?
Because bringing in new younger generations into the fanbase not only preserves the value of what's out there, but helps it grow and continue in the future. That's why Pokemon keeps on going while so many other IPs have become adult-market stuff that simple does not have any future at all because of the lack of the next generation getting into it.

>>11715455
>Gold and silver are completely unobtainable unless you're well into a high-six-figure salary.
I have some gold and silver but my gold is mostly in gold backs. My silver is just in bars I bought when it was cheap a number of years ago, it's got a nice ROE right now, not as much as RAM and SSDs though. I panic bought another SSD for my rig at the beginning of December for like $80 and by mid January the same exact drive skyrocketed to $250. Kicking myself for not buying a couple of them to flip.

>Because bringing in new younger generations into the fanbase not only preserves the value of what's out there, but helps it grow and continue in the future
I don't disagree but I think today's youth may not necessarily be buying into army men being cool. The mainstream media has done so much to push that military is bad, and the fact that you have the guys in ICE running around in full kit with long guns all while having less training than I do isn't really helping either. I do wonder if the days of boys wishing to be big strong soldier men are a thing of the past. Now, I see my friends with kids trying to raise them right and their boys are definitely boys, but I feel like they're the outlier. I dunno, hopefully I'm wrong.

>>11715481
I was referring to ancient coins where the price of gold and silver is well above the spot-price. Throw in very high-quality fakes that have the market in chaos to where if you think you're getting a good deal, then you're most likely getting a repro. And they do make fakes out of real gold and silver to further complicate the authenticity.

>I don't disagree but I think today's youth may not necessarily be buying into army men being cool. The mainstream media has done so much to push that military is bad, and the fact that you have the guys in ICE running around in full kit with long guns all while having less training than I do isn't really helping either. I do wonder if the days of boys wishing to be big strong soldier men are a thing of the past. Now, I see my friends with kids trying to raise them right and their boys are definitely boys, but I feel like they're the outlier. I dunno, hopefully I'm wrong.

Leftism is always anti-military, except when it's in their favor. That's why the anti-Iraq protests stopped when Obama took office, and the party didn't give a shit that he killed twice as many civilians as Bush did. During the Biden years leftists outright wanted WW3 with Russia. So they're against it, but they're for it. It's like their attitude of "fuck the police" then get on the phone and call the cops the moment they feel remotely threatened by a sinister-looking squirrel giving them the stare-down. And that no doubt leaves kids confused.

>>11715486
>I was referring to ancient coins where the price of gold and silver is well above the spot-price.
Oh yeah, I figured. Tack on to whatever gold and silver is worth an "ancient relic tax" and that is sure to add up quickly. My buddy has some old coins, nothing super ancient, but a couple of old ones and they're pricey.

>And that no doubt leaves kids confused.
I couldn't even imagine being a youth in today's climate. Public school must be a nightmare considering it's millennials and now zoomers that are teaching them. Watching the zoomers enter the workforce has been interesting to see. There are interns at my company that struggle to use a fucking file system on their work computers, it's wild.

>>11714955
> I'll pay a bit extra to make sure I got it instead of waiting six months and hoping my local stores actually get the figures (they don't) and that those figures will actually go on discount (they won't).
now you know the truth. the toy industry is ending, big box retail is slowing down their support for many lines, especially adult collector lines with high variance in what figures sell and which don't. figures are increasingly not going on sale even when offered because retail can't afford to take the hit. they will just leave it until it sells and not reorder anything else, leaving barren aisles.

>>11715543
It's the fault of adult collectors who used their economic advantage to price up and push out kids.

>>11715609
more like it’s on toy manufacturers for not making things kids actually want

>>11715614
Kids want LEGOs. "Toy investors" make sure they can't afford them.

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>6 preorders in one day
at least I got my orders in

>>11714606
>White guy
>Is a brown/black guy
Man you faggots are so obnoxious with your victim complex. I genuinely hope white race dies painfully just to piss you losers off. This website made me racist against whites, jews and Muslims. I haven't hired a single white male or jew or a Muslim. Even with chinks I don't hire them if they have white names. Filled most departments with pinoys, Indians and Africans.

>>11715609
Classified isn't aimed at kids.

>>11715614
You do realize Hasbro makes more then Classified right? I guarantee that the Team Spidey shit alone makes more profit then Classified ever will.

>>11715801
They make their money off of WOTC now. Cards that are cheap to make and easy to sell for stupid money are bigger profits than toys are. Hasbro learned that from Nintendo with how much Nindendo made off of Pokemon cards. At this point continuing the toys is just fanservice to the dedicated fans, and we've been hearing the rumblings of Hasbro getting out of toy-making entirely for a couple of years now.

>>11715426
>Somehow they made Classified FRAG Viper an extension of it being a failed Cobra-La figure repackaged as a Cobra trooper (like the original was
This is why I dont get why we still have people calling the Classifed team fake fans

>>11715818
Hasbro has been trying to become an "IP company" for close to two decades now, that shit isn't news. Nor is CCG being money pits and easy profits. Hasbro has *always* made more money on board games and the like over action figures, toys have very slim margins while board and card games are cheap to produce and bought in bulk by every retailer and family out there. I don't know why you keep ranting about it like it's some sort of conspiracy or sudden change in the market, that's how it's been for YEARS.

>>11715885
Because trolls like to hate on everything. Classified probably has some of the most dedicated guys behind it's production and the line certainly feels like a labor of love. For all the attention, new molds, constant releases and crazy PR stuff they've actually done for it, they *have* to actually enjoy making these figures.

The only fake fans here are the ones saying Retro Stalker and Frag Viper were unwanted figures.

>>11715893
They're over-produced. They rotted in Target and Walmart last summer, and they're rotting in Ross now. It's your fault for not buying enough of them to make sure they didn't end up in clearance.

>>11715893
I'd give my left nut for a Frag Viper but his wave never showed up at my Walmart, because of all of the unsold fucking Retro Stalker figures

>>11715959
My nearest Walmart got the Footloose/Darklon/Frag Viper/Blowtorch wave in, and that's it. Footloose sold out damn near instantly, and the rest are still plentiful half a year later, to put it nicely. Throw it Stalker. They haven't gotten any new stuff since then. No Battle Armor CC, Crystal Ball, or fuck anything new. So the good stuff that sold well never came in because locals didn't buy the shit they didn't want.

Retro Stalker was not a good figure. The mainline version was close enough to the vintage as it is for many, but the retro did have a chance to be interesting by giving him a younger head sculpt or maybe going for the cartoon accurate yellow color scheme. Instead we're handed the same figure with the same old man head sculpt, in garish neon colors, and a fucking camouflage beret (which I know is accurate to the vintage artwork, but it's literally never been depicted like that in any other instance across figures, comics, or the cartoon)

>>11715609
>>11715614
>>11715454
Not any of the anons you all are arguing about/with - but military and army soldiers are sold to kids all the time. Hasbro made/makes? those 10-12" hard plastic Joes compatible with the Marvel Titans they sell - that are meant for "kids" to play with - same as SpinMaster versions for DC, and what Mattel did before they lost the DC license and what they will do next year. Even with Mattel apparently doing more than 5POA articulation on the 'kids line' they have announced so far or Jazz Pacific adding 20+ POA on those essentially kid two packs they did for Sonic with DC.

Kids play with adult collectibles, that belong to their parents, relatives, or other adult friends or the other adults in their lives. If you have never had a adult neighbor or adult friend bring a kid over to your house and have said kid attach your collection, consider yourself lucky.

But kids know it's not just HARD plastic TALL crap they could have/play with as toys, and learn that they can bend them, sit them down, make them do all sorts of poses, get put in vehicles, etc. and they do want and like that.

There's absolutely no reason for GI Joe to give up any part of any age level of the toy market.

>>11715983
All I want a 1/18 / old scale Joe of Footloose that rivals the old club version.

>>11715893
Most people who call them fake fans only show up when the fat woman shows up and then they all reply to each other about how she couldn't possibly like GI Joe because she is fat and a woman
I dont even know her name and far be it for me to white knight a fat woman its just super noticeable when it happens

>>11716026
All I want is for all the good stuff to stop going to Walmart because their shit distribution is the #1 problem I have with finding anything.

>>11716040
She's young. There's no way she was around for the original line. Plus that stupid hair color and her overall lack of knowledge of everything. And she's the fucking brand manager for GI Joe. She's always surrounded by older men with creeping-gray hair who are clearly lifelong fans, but they have to work around the fact that she's their boss. She's clearly a DEI hire, and I'm sure that she had a hand in keeping the female faces ugly and tits small until Rattler Baroness and Pythona.

>>11715901
They were never in any stores by me and Hasbro only produces what retailers order. If they were "over produced" that's only because the stores ordered too many of em.

>>11715959
So go buy one, they're up on BBTS right now and are actually on sale at Amazon.

>>11715983
That entire wave is in stock at BBTS.

Also Retro Waves and Standard waves are two different SKUs so Retro Stalker wouldn't stop other Classified figures from hitting shelves.

>>11716018
Funny enough, I find most kids prefer kids toys. I have my toy room set up where if a kid can reach it they can play with it, and younger kids, especially my 3 y/o ignore most of the Marvel Legends and Masterverse stuff and play with the box of Dinosaurs and monsters. Joe stuff doesn't even get touched outside of Bluey characters driving my Classified Vamp and Paw Patrol hijacking my Joe x TF Thundermachine and HISS tank. My kid even said the Classified HISS Tank was too big for her and preferred playing with the smaller one.

....she does like playing with my Fort Max though, but mostly cause he's covered in ramps.

>>11716040
I'm pretty sure she's the reason we get a lot of accessories and smaller details, and especially the stuff like articulated animals and cool drones and stuff. I know Lenny and crew are gung-ho about the line as a whole, but she seems to do a good job letting them throw in extras and easter eggs.

>>11716048
Yeah see stuff like this
Shes already fat you dont have to come up with a fan fiction about her

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Anyone recognize this guy? Also, wow basic figures are $27.97 at Walmart now. /Insert shocker Pikachu.gif

>>11716103
Looks like a Lanard Corps figure.

>>11716096
Are you her?

>>11715422
guessing at why somenoe is so poorly educated isn't projecting

>>11715885
one figure doesn't absolve them of the rest of the shit they make.
And just catering to nostalgiafags is pretty shit too, since it's almost braindead easy just to remake shit.

>$43 royal guard
i think i'm out boys, its been real

>>11716141
See you can't point out someone is being schizo for coming up with an imaginary scenario to hate someone without them thinking you're the person they're criticizing, which... makes sense for schizos, I guess, since they have no self awareness.
No I'm not.

>>11716018
I figured they had a kids equivalent line for Joes too, it's just something I don't pay attention to.

>>11715426
>Somehow they made Classified FRAG Viper an extension of it being a failed Cobra-La figure repackaged as a Cobra trooper (like the original was)
I can buy that maybe some parts of the original Frag Viper were planned for a Cobra-La toy, the head and upper body maybe, but the legs and feet definitely look like they were made for a human figure. I've never seen Frag Viper named as one of the toys that started out as a Cobra-La design before, it's usually Nullifier, Darklon and maybe Hydro-Viper that are talked about.

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>>11716091
>I'm pretty sure she's the reason we get a lot of accessories and smaller details, and especially the stuff like articulated animals and cool drones and stuff. I know Lenny and crew are gung-ho about the line as a whole, but she seems to do a good job letting them throw in extras and easter eggs.
why would you assume this shit when GI Joes always had a bunch of accessories and other cool shit? Was she around in the 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s?

... is anyone on the current team even from the 25th+ modern era?

>>11716330
Because they've mentioned that in the streams.

>>11716355
well, good for her for keeping the accessories flowing just like in the 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s.

>>11715091
Eco warriors, here we come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Y7dtN99DI

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Well fuck, is he gone forever?

>>11716380
Yes, I'm glad she's there fighting to keep the figures packed full of cool accessories like they should be and help get us some of the best articulated animals of the scale.

>>11716483
We should also be thanking her that GI Joe remains a military toyline.

>>11716241
It has a bug helmet and stone-white face. It's one of the Cobra-La leftovers.

>>11716207
Well I hate to point out the obvious, but I never commented on her weight. YOU brought it up, and did so twice. I only commented on her being a younger inexperienced person who's in charge of a brand that she's clearly not as much of a fan as the older people there are. Plus stupid hair color. It's your own personal insecurities bringing up your weight, not mine. I don't give a shit.

And her handling of the brand sucks. We're in year 6 of the line and still no skyhawk, boat, firebat, or polar battle bear. The line is slowly dying as it runs out of ideas while all anyone has to say is "KEEP BUYING THE SHIT YOU DON'T WANT IF YOU WANT US TO MAYBE EVENTUALLY GET TO THE STUFF YOU DO WANT." Some figures done before (Lady Jaye, Baroness, Zartan, Destro) are in desperate need for a better version. Plus she keeps giving WalMart exclusives knowing about their absolute dogshit distribution.

>>11716184
It would be $60 if it were WalMart exclusive.

>>11716330
I don't give a shit about more accessories. I give a shit about cleanliness of the sculpt (does a figure look too visually chopped up), the face sculpt, and proportions. More accessories means more shit to store and keep track of, and it's only cute like with Sgt Slaughter coming with a mini-figure of himself or battle armor Cobra Commander coming with "Serpentor." That tells me that at least every now and then they remember that the line is supposed to be fun to collect.

>>11716457
With how long it takes them to get any figures out, it'll be decades before they do any reprints.

>>11716549
Original Frag-Viper didn't have a removable helmet and a visible face underneath, did he? And that helmet is clearly metal, with breathing gear, it doesn't look like Cobra-La bio-tech.

The boots with laces don't look very Cobra-La either.

>>11716734
>Original Frag-Viper didn't have a removable helmet and a visible face underneath, did he?
Nope.

So what's up at bbts, did EVERY figure on pre order sell out? I've never seen an entire wave sell out.

>>11716762
must have not wanted to order a lot,
maybe they’re getting sick of how much of this shit seems to shelfwarm

>>11716762
They do it on purpose to drive fomo. The Legends wave that went up last week had Daredevil and Falcon sell out day one, but the next day or two they were both back up and have been since.

>>11716765
Makes sense.
>>11716767
It's funny, I've got sold out filtered but these figures are still there. I've never really felt it necessary to jump on pre orders outside of pulse exclusives so sometimes I wait a bit a think on it. I did get that daredevil so I'll just check back and see what's up.

>>11716762
They either under-stocked, or there's a strong demand for the wave.

>>11716762
Damn, surprised to be quite honest. None of this wave's offerings were worth updating what I already have.

If you believe the people on hiss tank, they were buying up the troop builders like crazy. One guy said he got 28 hydrovipers. I'm not buying it though, these arent the most iconic guys ever, no reason people should be going crazy for them. More than likely hasbro just reduced production again to try and prevent another wave dumped at the clearance outlets.

>>11716817
Troop builders do effect the market, and have for a long time. That's why a good-condition 1986 BAT is fuck-expensive. Yeah I know Hydro-Viper isn't one of the best or even as good as an EEL, but there are those who do like it.

What I think is happening is like "Cold Slither" where an initial low shipment sells out quick, then they'll respond with a second production order that'll end up being over-produced.

>>11716595
>Plus she keeps giving WalMart exclusives knowing about their absolute dogshit distribution.
probably the only thing keeping the line alive, dude.

If they weren't giving WAlmart exclusives, Walmart wouldn't be ordering as many figures as they are or maybe they wouldn't be ordering anything at all.

Exclusives exist to incentivize retails to order their product. If there's this many exclusives, there's a problem with the toyline.

... outside of movies. Big events naturally make retailers want gimmicks to draw in even more sales.
The normalization of exclusives (or even a line become exclusive like 1:18 Star Wars becoming a Walmart exclusive in the 10s) is bad. Shit like Cobra Island being a Target exclusive happened after the movie bomb, so that many unique figures was extreme dire conditions, because Target didn't want to order anything unless they were exclusive to their store.
So you should be happy that Walmart is only getting silly redecos like that ghost viper

>>11716817
>hasbro just reduced production again to try and prevent another wave dumped at the clearance outlets.
Hasbro will make as many units as stores want to order.
Consumers not buying the shit that stores ordered is why shit gets dumped at outlets and put on clearance.

Does BBTS order directly from hasbro or do they get their shit from a wholesaler/distributor? If they order from a distributor, there's going to be a limit there and added steps if they can get more.

>>11716886
>silly redecos like that ghost viper
GV was probably the most-demanded figure last year, and the more Walmart fucked with availability, the more it had the psychological effect of making a lot of people want it more.

>>11716898
>Consumers not buying the shit that stores ordered is why shit gets dumped at outlets and put on clearance.
The BAT, Crimson Guard, Beach Head, EEL, and Scrap Iron all ended up in clearance stores. And these are figures people actually demanded.

And Ross recently raised their Classified clearance price from $5 to $10 after catching on to scalpers hoarding up the inventory and making money selling it for $20+ each. The fact that people are still buying tells you that it was either a price issue, or a distribution issue. The fact that people are buying clearance figures for $20+ on Ebay and elsewhere nulls the price. That brings it down to distribution. A store that gets the inventory meant for multiple stores is going to end up with surplus that wouldn't exist if some distributor didn't say "WELL CUSTOMERS DIDN'T BUY THIS FIGURE THAT SUCKED SO THEY GET NOTHING NOW."

>>11713563
I assumed they were going with the original Overkill design, he would be 100% robot like the original figure's filecard said, so I was surprised to learn about this, and that he's a cyborg like the later Overkill figures were. Though even the first Overkill toy has an "oxygen regulator mask" which made no sense for a robot.

There's a brief character bio on Pulse which says he was a Cobra soldier injured in a war games exercise, so they're not using the Devil's Due origin where he was THE SAW-Viper.

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>>11716910
>And Ross recently raised their Classified clearance price from $5 to $10 after catching on to scalpers hoarding up the inventory
not how it works.
The prices depend on what they paid for or what the primary store was selling them at. Hence Marvel LEgends being priced at $12-18. Same with other less popular lines like Loyal Subject's TMNT lines.
So if Ross was selling their GI Joes at $5, it's because stores had those figures on deep clearance prices, instead of just remainders.
Like Walmart/Targets, they don't give a shit if scalpers are buying their shit, they just want to sell their stock and its first come first serve.
And they were $8, not $10, back during Christmas (see https://i.4cdn.org/toy/1771279700099135.png" target="_blank">https://i.4cdn.org/toy/1771279700099135.png ) Are you saying that they got even more stock after Christmas?

>And these are figures people actually demanded.
Demand is a fraction of what it used to be if thousands of Ross stores across the nation are getting dozens/hundreds of figures in every store.

You can't blame distribution issues for this, unless every GI Joe collector has their mommy driving them around but she only wants to go to the WAlmarts that are 5 minutes away and not the ones that are 15 minutes away. Even then, does no one live at the Walmart/Target that's 15 minutes away?
What you're arguing is insanity. Nevermind you can find most of those figures for cheap on eBay still.

I mean, my closest Walmarts and Targets stopped selling GI Joes a while ago, but i only need to drive 20 minutes from my house to get one that does sell them. Nevermind that if I'm at work, it's a 5 minute drive from there.

>>11716936
What kind of hell hole do you live in that your Target and Walmart stopped carrying toys. Only time I don't see Joes or MLs or Black Series is at the smaller Super Walmarts that have a stripped down toy section.

>>11716922
I always saw the original Overkill as a mistake.
That heavy backpack was due to needing more brain power than your average BAT.

So they later used the crippled SAW Viper to act as the coordinator, instead of it being purely AI. The original overkill probably did a shit job at being a leader anyway, because AI is shit.

>>11716812
Eh, some of these I've been wanting since the original wave like airtight and some I really enjoy like hydro viper or like the look of the classified figure like overkill. I'm trying to get back into the line since lifeline and hit and run and crazy legs were personal favorites growing up. But yeah man, it's wild they sold out in what two days?
Oh well.

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Hello Gi Joe experts, I come from Heroclix, Just saw that at Toy fair Wizkids revealed that they are doing 2 Iconix sets, which one is Gi Joe and the other is Cobra.
In the past Heroclix used to have miliraty soldiers holding weapons, but in recent years they have soldiers holding other items, or police officers pointing with their fingers instead of guns. some times when I question this, some people say to me that there are toys regulations that stop toys manufacturers putting guns.
How real is this? I know it happens with DC and marvel stuff, but I thoguht that was the license holder not wanting the guns.

So how true or false is that? because for what I see, the toys come with guns, so could be just Wizkids disliking guns and censoring themselves?
Also would this product get interest from Gi Joe fans if the miniatures are not awful?

Is this a loop? Did the bot script finally brake?

>>11717130
>So how true or false is that? because for what I see, the toys come with guns, so could be just Wizkids disliking guns and censoring themselves?
Most likely. There was a period where WB was really clamping down on DC characters coming with firearms, but that went by the wayside some time back.

>Also would this product get interest from Gi Joe fans if the miniatures are not awful?
Anything is possible. Some guys will collect anything with a Joe logo on it.

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>>11717130
>some people say to me that there are toys regulations that stop toys manufacturers putting guns
absolutely false.
Companies are just wussing out due to SJW bitching about shit on social media, so they're trying to make their toys less threatening.
Like half a year ago, Hasbro delayed their GI Joe police man figure due to all the shit that was going on earlier this year.

Ever since Trump took over, it looks like DC/WB stopped their gun-sensitivity and now figures are coming with guns again after stopping that for like 2-3 years.

Since Hasbro is PRO-GUNS, as evidenced by all the GI Joe and Cobra figures coming with as real looking guns as possible now (unlike when the line first came out in 2020), if there's any pussying out in the Wizkids line, it's solely from Wizkids.

Wizkids has to be severly compromised to even do that in the first place, because the GI Joe line is primarily for children and sold in children toy aisles. Whereas Wizkids is an older demographic and i'm pretty sure is mostly adults.

Pic of how Marvel/Disney shit still comes with realistic guns and these are meant for children too, despite /toy/ belief it's totally made for the adult collectors such as themselves. This shit is sold in children toy aisles, just like GI Joes, and the licenses for them even states as much.
Do note that Nick Fury here is holding one of the guns used at the Columbine school shooting.

>>11717147
Those AR-15s are so undersized it bothers me.

>>11713244
>one Vegeta can kill every single military toy collection on the planet combined

What’s it like to collect weak toys?

>>11717152
pretty sure master roshi and picollo can do the same thing, since they both destroyed the moon.
All of earth's militaries put together with all their nuclear bombs and even theoretical bombs would never accomplish that.

... how many moons does dragonball's earth even have?

>>11717152
Roadblock alone RAPES and GAPES Bejita.

>>11717147
>all the GI Joe and Cobra figures coming with as real looking guns

It's cool and all, but I kinda miss the nerf guns. Hasbro used to make some badass blasters back in the day and having action figure sized versions of em was a fun little easter egg.

>>11717152
I have Sailor Moon in my collection and she can literally reset the entire universe, even after death. Vegeta is a jobber and isn't even in the top 5 fighters in Dragonball no more.

Step yo game up.

>>11717156
The Dragon has to keep bringing the damn thing back every time one of those assholes goes on a bender.

>>11717152
I have figma Kirby in my collection. Vegeta is nothing compared to the most powerful creature in the multiverse.

>>11716943
NTA - hate to disappoint you, but there are plenty of those Neighborhood WalMarts that barely have hot wheels, and Target has a bunch of those that are similar or essentially a large Walgreen types, mostly grocery/pharmacy, with a small aisle with mostly LEGOs on one side or one quarter and one other quarter that might have 1-2 WWE and might have some hard plastic Hasbro joes but nothing like Classifieds.

>>11714850
>>11716936
Ross has been carrying NEW Joe's as recently as this past weekend, for $9.99 even the Ranger Stalker that's kinda peg warmed and definitely has flooded all Ross' location didn't get pink discounted.

tldr;
you girls need to get a room,
this virtual carpet munching you have going on isn't pretty

>royal guard is the only figure selling out besides the target exclusive
cobra-la chads stay on top

>>11717165
Hasbro has been including nerf guns into their military lines since the first Marvel Hulk movie.
It's cool to use them, but for ALL of them to be fakeass guns? NO THANKS.

>>11717179
nah, there's like 3 walmarts near me that don't carry GI Joe. nearest one stopped carrying them after the movie bombed and they clearanced shit out. The other two I'm not actually sure when they stopped, but they definitely stopped before christmas season last year. One was kinda iffy for years, where they didn't have pegs or space for GI Joe for half a year, but once Christmas season shit started appearing in September, GI Joe was back. They all carry DC Multiverse shit, though it's spotty on where they put them.
The one Walmart that carries GI Joes is where all the Mexicans live. So I assume all the soccermoms have kept their kids away from GI Joe at the walmarts nearest me, hence them not stocking shit.

Also, from the sounds of it, those Rosses just have shit that's left over from Christmas, because that Stalker was what i was seeing in OCtober, November, and December.

>>11717360
It's simply less frustrating to just not count on Walmart. If they get an exclusive then dismiss it as one you won't have. Their distribution is far too shitty. Target does a much better job at distribution but they don't get the figures Walmart gets. Live with it. It's less frustrating. Hobbies are supposed to be fun, and Walmart's bullshit has pissed on my enjoyment too many times.

>>11717637
meh
Just so you know, there's a couple of Targets that also stopped carrying GI Joes too. They seem to be copying WAlmart's approach toward selective stocking now (Walmart started in the mid-00s) ever since COVID

And like i said earlier, i'm used to the hunt. OF course, now /toy/ won't help with the hunt, since /toy/ has too many zoomers who don't like going outside and their mommys don't want to drive them more than 10 minutes away from their house.

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What do you guys think of my Joe collection? Not really going for lore accurate anything. Just want some cool looking soldiers. Only one who sticks out is the Viper but he just is cool random bad guy to go against Joes or MLs or something.

What do you think of my squad?

>>11717742
I'm in my mid 30s and the "thrill of the hunt" is just gone nowadays. There's less places to go, there's less stock, there's less selection and so on and so forth. I'll just pre-order the stuff I want and forget about it. Easy peasy. Although I won't hate the random Ross finds like Sgt Slaughter.

>>11717767
Just a simple headswap and he's honestly fit right in. It's a nice little collection you got, very focused and everything feels like it works well with the others.

Also I just realized Grim Viper feels like an homage to Marvel's Crossbones.

>>11717769
I remember doing a lot of toy hunting in the 90s with my father as he was a hot wheels/star wars guy back then. Honestly, I was over it back then too, and once TRU shut down I just stopped caring about buying things in person. Most of the stuff I collect these days are indy or foreign figures anyway, so it's not like I can walk into a store to buy any of those. Joes is like the only mass market domestic brand I collect and it's easier just to get them online.

These kids driving themselves crazy because they "can't find what they want" when what they want is dirt cheap on amazon.

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>>11717769
I agree that hunting isn't what it used to be, but that's mostly on toy companies/retailers, because they're not making the toys i want anymore.
GI Joe seems to release half as many figures than they used to and Hasbro caters too much to nostalgifags, so only 5% of them are even interesting to me. Marvel is mostly just re-re-re-re-re-releasing shit and, along with DC, modern designs/characters are mostly shit.
.... is there anyone else even making cool shit?

Back in the 00s and 10s, there were various other toylines being made and released based on Prince of Persia, Halo, A Team, Terminator, Star Trek, Tron, a whole mess of generic military men, THREE different scales to choose from (1:18, 1:12, 1:10), Hellboy, Harry Potter, Indiana Jones, the odd video game lines (red faction, crysis, etc), Gears of War, and other shit that got big but no one even thinks about today.
YEah, there's still variety today, but at 1/10th the selection and the majority you can only find those online or super specialty shops that not even comic shops would have ordered them back in the day because it's sold to 10,000 people at most.

Sure, they still release the odd new toyline based on the newest video game or movie like Fortnite and Overwatch, but it's like ONE new toyline per year vs 3-10 per Christmas season.

>>11717820
There are FAR more toylines catering to collectors and fans today of MUCH higher quality then there ever was in the 90s DESPITE the market for them shrinking dramatically. Like you are actively trying to ignore all the cool shit out there just to bitch.

And yes, G.I. Joe puts out a fraction of what it did back in the 80s, but that's because the market for them just isn't the same. No toyline could ever support the output they used to have back in the day and that's not on toy makers or even retailers, that's the markets changing over time and other options eating away at their allure.

>>11717820
Hasbro did an Indiana Jones line a few years ago. Jazzwares did a Halo line at the beginning of the 2020s. NECA has a pretty extensive Terminator line. Hasbro did just get the Harry Potter license to I expect to see a line similar to what they did with Indiana Jones and Ghostbusters. They teased a Tron line a few months ago as well, but the newest movie bombing and the Haslab failing so badly proves there isn't a market for Tron. Sorry to all four of his fans though.

So, there are still lots of lines out there that people can collect that exist beyond Marvel Legends, Black Series, GI Joe and DC Multiverse.

>>11717802
>Also I just realized Grim Viper feels like an homage to Marvel's Crossbones.
He's certainly a better figure than the Marvel Legends Crossbones.

>>11713304
What's his name? Suck Job or Leather Daddy or something?

>>11717842
>80s
>90s
no one was talking about these years.

I'm talking about toys made in the past 20 years and quality certainly hasn't increased, DESPITE prices increasing. Most toys from back then still hold today, if they aren't almost outright identical.
In fact, companies like Hasbro are only barely reaching the same level of articulation we were getting in the 00s (face prints are barely a good trade off for the complex paint jobs we used to get)
Imagine if Hasbro continued with the same output they had in the 00s and 10s, while offering the same improvements for shit like this. Shit, remember when Hasbro was offering THREE different scales i nthe 00s for GI Joe? 2.5", 8" and 1:18 all at the same time. AND you could find them in the SAME store.

Now Hasbro offers one scale and cockblocks their own licensees from even releasing their toylines in the US becasue they're afraid of losing consumers to an alternative.

>>11717854
yeah, in 2020. I think that was the last year we had a good hunt. COVID, retailers, and toy companies killed that.

>>11717870
Sorry, wasn't really familiar with the legendary action figure lines of Prince of Persia, A-Team and....Star Trek. Such epic and memorable staples of every toy store back in the day right? I certainly recall all those times /toy/ was flooded with collectors losing their minds hunting down that iconic James T Kirk figure. And who can forget how much everyone loved the A-Team toyline based on that beloved film revival, couldn't walk into a target back in the day without seeing entire Endcaps of Face and Murdock, m i rite?

Funny enough, nowadays, ontop of Classified being one of *the* best mass market western toyline on the shelves, you can get Joes in O-ring style, super detailed soft goods versions, import based 1:18 stuff and as that other anon pointed out, soon in a Heroclix fashion. So it seems the variety is very much still there....you're just full of shit.

>>11717865
>Doesn't recognize Gung Ho
Poser.

>>11717870
I got back into collecting when transformers wfc started, and quickly started seeing the WWE/motu stuff that led to origins shortly after and gi joe was just on the horizon. Was it more fun then than now? It's debatable given your location I guess as I was free to move about with no restrictions aside from following signs while grocery shopping but many others couldn't leave the house as often I guess. Covid aside, it certainly seems like the shelves were full and the variety was nice, lanard toys still made the corps! for example, and things were much cheaper as well. Origins was $14.95, classified was like $21ish and leader class transformers were about $50 iirc. But store exclusives were still a bitch, I got lucky and found a retro awe striker and getting the first wave of origins felt impossible but at least I felt the joy of actually finding a figure. Jesus, I just had a cobra island flash back and it's just reaffirms my anger or frustration with jumping through hoops to spend my money. And I'm just sick of it, maybe it's due to collecting dc multiverse for the past few years but Hasbro is just as bad with their Walmart and pulse exclusives.
Blah blah blah, store exclusives have killed a part of what some of us enjoyed about the hobby of toy collecting.

>>11717945
Lanard stopped making Corps in like 2019...possibly earlier and long before Covid. I remember the last Lanard thing I bought was their Aliens APC, which is adorably small, back in 2019. But even by then people were asking "when are more Corps coming?" and the answer was always crickets.

But even going as far back as 2007 when the Modern Era line actually began, all the same problems people have now with finding things all existed back then. Todays problems aren't *new* problems, even back when Retail was still king. I even heard the same exact complaint of "there's less stuff out there" as that other anon was making on here, and it was bull crap back then too.

Also anyone who says toys haven't improved in quality over the years, including Hasbro's stuff, is flat out lying. Compare the old Pizza Spidey, who was considered one of the best Spidey's of it's time by toy back when it came out to the stuff Hasbro makes today and it's no comparison. And again, Classified is probably one of the best all around mass market toylines in existence right now, in terms of quality of individual figures, quantity of releases and diversity of items we're seeing in the line. Hasbro holds G.I. Joe in high regard, despite it's lack of popular mass media content and Classified shows that.

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>>11717940
the point is, there were 3-10 new toylies every christmas season that was exciting for me and other people on /toy/. Finding new shit all the time was part of what made the hunt fun.

What was the brand new toyline for Christmas 3 months ago that /toy/ talked about? What about the Christmas before that?
Which of them even get a store release where you can find 4-8 different figures within the same wave?

Nevermind there was collector shit back then too. Choices are much more limited today.

>you're just full of shit.
Nah, you're likely just a zoomer so you don't have memories of how good we used to have it... or maybe you do know, hence trying to talk abotu the 80s and 90s, instead of the much better 00s and 10s.

>>11717945
>grocery shopping
ooof... you used to be able to find GI Joes and other shit in my grocery stores without it even being Christmas. Didn't even need to go to a TArget or Walmart to find toys.
I remember when /toy/ found out that drug stores carried GI Joes and suddenly people were finding all the hard to get Renegade figures.

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>>11717967
>I even heard the same exact complaint of "there's less stuff out there"
this is bullshit. I never heard this, but people were saying that exclusives are evil even back then and how hard it is to find shit (shelf warming problem).
I talked about how i'd buy up shelf warmers like jungle viper and Dukes, because instead of bitching, i did something bout it. Maybe that helped, maybe it didn't, but i was able to find almost every wave on shelves in local stores back then. I didn't find every figure i wanted, but I'd always get at least some figures from every wave.

>anyone who says toys haven't improved in quality over the years, including Hasbro's stuff, is flat out lying. Compare the old Pizza Spidey
There's a large difference between actual improvements, like going from swivel t-hips to ball-hinged hips to preferring how a toy was sculpted over another (which also affects range of motion thanks to how much sculpt is left intact) or liking a ball-hinge type over another ball-hinge joint. This is why i haven't bought any wolverines since the 00s (except in 1:18), because i bought the perfect Wolverine back in 2006. There hasn't been an upgrade since. A ML wolverine today isn't more poseable and the paint is worse. The scaling can also be worse.
... maybe I'd upgrade to a Mezco, but mezco-flair can be pretty bad.

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>>11717980
>He thinks this antiquated monstrosity is acceptable and comparable to today's standards
Lol. Lmao even. This is why your opinions mean nothing.

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>>11717999
It has a lot less problems than this, yet people are happy with these figures.

No toy is going to be perfect and i think a lot of people prefer one type of engineering over another, because that's what they're used to.

I mean, the current Figuarts have much worse looking hips than that Wolverine and they're not even more poseable. Again, this just shows how little has changed in 20 years.
Overall, we actually peaked 20 years ago, because paint quality has worsened and costs have increased.

>>11717969
>new toyline for Christmas 3 months ago that /toy/ talked about?

No clue, I don't browse every general or thread. There's too many toylines to actually follow these days and everyone has their favorites. Even within individual IPs and brands there's usually too many sublines to follow. I know my kid was all up on the Team spidey shit and I was very excited for the Link Travelers line, despite how impossible it is to find most of their releases.

Honestly there's too much dropping these days to even keep track of everything.

>>11717980
>shelf warmers like jungle viper and Dukes,

.....did you just claim one of the most popular figures from the PoC line was a shelf warmer? And I can only assume you mean Jungle Duke, who again was a massive fan favorite for how much gear he came with and just how good of a figure he was. So thanks for buying up two of the most popular figures in the line, that really helped clear out all those Arctic Destros.

Also that wolverine is atrocious, so thanks for proving you have shit taste.

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>>11718092
>There's too many toylines to actually follow these days
confirmed for newfag. Even 2 years ago we had many more threads than we have now, about more topics and interests. 5-7 years ago, it was actually exciting to come to /toy/ to find out about new toys, instead of the same shit we have now.

>did you just claim one of the most popular figures from the PoC line was a shelf warmer?
confirmation #2 you're a newfag.
Jungle viper was a shelf warmer. Not as big as Winter Destro, but despite the Jungle Viper's popularity, they shelfwarmed badly enough to prevent stores frmo ordering more stock.

>>11718104
>Even 2 years ago

Yes, the massive hack and autosage on /toy/ killed a lot of threads.

>>11718104
You must've had the luckiest store in the world where Dukes and Jungle Vipers were your shelf warmers. I *never* heard anyone complain "all I can find is this awesome sniper in a techno-ghille suit straight out of MGS on the shelves". Hell, he was always one of the more recommended to pick up figures and one of the pinnicles of the PoC line and why it was so popular.

So not only do you have shit taste, but you lie as well. Not a good combo dude.

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>>11718117
>I *never* heard anyone complain "all I can find is this awesome sniper in a techno-ghille suit straight out of MGS on the shelves"
.... literally was a complaint on /toy/ back in the day.
How many snipers with an anti-tank gun does someone need?

You keep proving you're a newfag.

Finding nothing but Jungle Vipers and Dustys on the shelves was a common complaint back then. I'd have only bought a single Jungle Viper if i didn't want my local stores to get in more waves, so i bought so many of these shelf warmers everytime i'd find nothing else on every visit.

Do you even own any PoC figures? I'm sure you've already seen my PoC iron grenadiers and HISS tanks so....

check out this guy that i've left standing ontop of a dresser in my guest room with 5 years worth of dust.

>>11717999
Brudder, that Wolverine can't even crouch as well as the Gamerverse, AND looks far worse in general with those hips and pins. If the trade-off is paint, then I'm fine with that.

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>>11718158
>Do you even own any PoC figures?

A couple, mind you this pic is seriously outdated but unfortunately my Joe drawer is very much inaccessible right now. About the only PoC figures I don't have are Shadow Tracker...who just never existed on any shelf by me, and Storm Rider who I played "wait for a sale" roulette with and lost hard.

And I would've loved to see Jungle Vipers and Dusty's. Both are very much generic enough to army build and you could easily swap Jungle Viper's gun out for something else, especially since all his gear pops off real easy and there's a cool trooper underneath. I ended up doing something similar with General Hawk because I managed to get three of em. A new head and some gear swaps and he made for a great "Green Shirt" base and was an excellent upgrade body for the 25th Rock 'n Roll head.

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>>11718213
Pic related is my Cobra Jungle Ops team, which is sadly understaffed. Had I seen Jungle Vipers on the shelves in quantities you claim I certainly wouldn't have had that issue.

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>>11718213
Said "Green Shirts", who act as Duke's fire team.

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>>11718216
>you claim
I don't claim.
I witnessed it and so did everyone else at the time.

Here's the Jungle Viper getting his own thread on hisstank about why he's such a pegwarmer https://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-toys-modern-general-discussion/89885-why-jungle-viper-peg-warmer-11.html

Here's a thread bout them fantacizing that their pegwarmers will become gold 2 years later
https://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-toys-vintage-discussion/212766-collectible-peg-warmers.html

Another thread about turning Jungle Vipers into something else, because who needs so many highly specialized pegwarmers? https://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-customs-general-discussion/101034-customs-shelf-warmers-2011-a.html

Unfortunately, our archive from back then (nyaa?) doesn't exist anymore, but you would have seen threads of us talking about destroying all the jungle vipers that were keeping us from getting new waves. Some people even talked about how they were hiding stock, which actually led to /toy/ learning how Walmart counts stock and restocking.
Shit man, this is depressing, remembering that there used to be more pegwarmers back then than there are GI Joes on current shelves.
And they didn't even show up at Ross, because they eventually sold through.

Also, if you wanted more jungle troopers, buy the DTC Range Vipers for their masks and put those on the Miles Quaritch body. MGR body armor will keep him from looking samefag, plus knee pads, elbow pads, and other shit. ... nevermind that Jungle Vipers were cheap as fuck on eBay back in the day. Hell, they're still relatively cheap right now.

>>11718242
Didn't really bother with HISS tank back in the day, but I guess you're right about Jungle Viper. Most people still thought he was a great figure but they still made too many of em, which is bizarre to me. I *never* saw those guys on the shelves by me, and many people in that first thread said the same.

Hell I'm pretty sure I got mine from BBTS back in the day, thought I had a pic of it in box but apparently not. Might have lost it though, moved coms a few times since then.

So I will apologize for calling you a liar about Jungle Viper being a shelf warmer.

Also, the Miles Quaritch actually costs more on Amazon then the Jungle Viper does on Ebay. Also I don't really collect 1:18 Joes anymore since I have more then enough in the collection already and I don't have room for my 1:18 stuff to actually come out of storage. Hell, I barely even buy Acid Rain anymore and they always come out with cool stuff and I bought that decked out Aliens APC years ago and the damn thing is still sitting in it's shipping box cause I don't have room for it...

>>11717969
I forgot I have those figures. theyre really nice

>>11718009
>He thinks a twenty year old toybiz mold is better than a modern AY
Your opinion is worth less than shit.

>>11718292
The only reason people cared about Jungle Viper is that they wholesale ripped off Night Viper for his design and Hasbro had such a major hate boner for anything post 1986, that most people took him as the closest they'd get to an updated Night Viper

>>11716103
>>11716138
No, this is a Remco Desert Storm Major Metal. Remco always used those odd, bicep rivets and skinny thumbs that break easy.

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I won this in a lot but without the spare hands. I do want the fisted gloves and it looks like a bunch of similar brown gloved hands are in those fodder lots of Joes. As long as I make sure it's 1/12 fodder, are these going to be interchangeable to what I am missing.
The seller already essentially told me to fuck off when I asked if he possibly had the spare hands, I think he's pissed at how little he got for his 'Hasbro lot' auction.
I don't know if anyone has explained to him he can cancel the auction even after it finished. And that assholes do that everyday if they aren't satisfied with what they sold for, and eBay does squat to them?

>>11718213
>>11718216
We really need Jungle Viper in Classified. But hey maybe Hasbro will make it if we buy enough Big Lob, Crazy legs, and all the other shit figures no one really wants.

>>11718117
>I *never* heard anyone complain "all I can find is this awesome sniper in a techno-ghille suit straight out of MGS on the shelves".
That's because no one complained. It was and still is one of the stand-out gems in that collection.

>>11718216
I'd rather have the NANO-BAT because clear flourescent plastic makes everything cooler.

>>11718242
You and others must have had weird experiences because where I lived it was gone fast.

>>11718323
>The only reason people cared about Jungle Viper is that they wholesale ripped off Night Viper for his design and Hasbro had such a major hate boner for anything post 1986, that most people took him as the closest they'd get to an updated Night Viper
The problem with that is? It's definitely a cooler design than the Night Viper. If Hasbro were to make it for Classified, you'd buy it in an instant and you know it.

>>11718361
>I think he's pissed at how little he got for his 'Hasbro lot' auction.
His own fucking fault for not setting reserves or doing a "buy it now" price that he could live with.

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>>11718380
Forthose of you who want a gooded Cobra Commander, it's possible with a headswap

https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/301906

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>>11718386
The rest of their not Red Shadows are finally coming next month too. Just in time for BBTS to lower the prices due to no tariffs, right?

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>>11718562
>Just in time for BBTS to lower the prices due to no tariffs, right?

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she cute

>>11718323
>The only reason people cared about Jungle Viper is
Because he was awesome. So very awesome. In an era full of great, memorable figures, Jungle Viper still managed to be a real standout.

>>11718378
>But hey maybe Hasbro will make it if we buy enough Big Lob, Crazy legs, and all the other shit figures no one really wants.
I can't be the only one who wanted Big Lob. Crazylegs might've been more popular if they actually made Crazylegs and not Crazyface.

>>11718660
At least it has a better face than Zarana did. A bad face is the only thing that ruins the otherwise-perfect character.

>>11718662
I wanted Big Lob up until I saw it coming with basketball shoes instead of proper combat boots and a basketball. Then it felt like a stereotype to me.

>>11718672
>I wanted Big Lob up until I saw it coming with basketball shoes instead of proper combat boots and a basketball. Then it felt like a stereotype to me.
That's a fair point, but he was one of the most entertaining new Joes in the movie, didn't even get a figure in the 80s, and only a Collector's Club exclusive since then. So I'll take what I can get.

>>11718672
>I wanted Big Lob up until I saw it coming with basketball shoes instead of proper combat boots and a basketball. Then it felt like a stereotype to me.
Its weird, because he's not the first black character they've done this too. They made a big deal about giving Shooter sneakers instead of combat boots too.

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>>11718684
Shooter was just barely noticable in one panel of the original comic book, and probably was intended to be White. Hasbro re-interpreted him/her decades later.

>>11718688
It was an in-joke gag, a reference to Marvel's editor in chief at the time, Jim Shooter. Larry Hama came up with the black female version of Shooter in his GI Joe Declassified mini during the Devil's Due comic era and she died in the same mini.

>>11718660
How old is Zanya supposed to be?
Like a teenager? How old is Zartan?

Cool, I got airtight and female crimson guard pre orders in.

>>11718688
>>11718696
>jim shooter joe was going to be awesome
in my universe shooter was recruited as one of the OG Joes, but retired shortly after getting in because he was old. the black shooter is his daughter and took up the codename because she is an excellent sniper who was taught by him.

>>11718697
in Devil's Due (which is typically shit on but I liked a lot of stuff they did) they made her a teenager. I think about 16. this being the hasbro official classified version, maybe she is older. I dont know if theyve said. I imagine that having a violent teenage girl for an action figure might not be considered proper among the SJWs so they might say she is an adult.

>>11718361
You fucked up not just buying a MOC version of Classified Flint if you wanted all the parts. Seller is 100% justified in telling you to fuck off asking for extras he explicitly wasn't selling

>>11718739
Yeah, it would be safe to have her be 20/21 ish, but that would just raise questions about Zartan and the twins' ages.

>>11718697
Zanya's age has never been firmly established as she was a retcon character added to GI Joe lore by Devil's Due. Generally speaking, most people accept her being 18-21 age range. We don't know when Zartan had her or Zartan's age in relations to her, except that when she showed up at the Dredknox compound claiming to be his kid, Zartan accepted her straight away, implying that he knew that she existed long before she showed up to join her dad's gang....

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>>11718752
Well it's generally not good to depict underage kids (even evil ones) with weapons.

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>>11718292
>Didn't really bother with HISS tank back in the day, but I guess you're right about Jungle Viper.
I didn't either and i still don't bother. I basically abandoned all other toy forums when /toy/ began, but since /toy/ has no archive from back then, i had to google how common it was to find Jungle Vipers in stores.
If HISStank weren't still around (it seems like half the internet is now gone and more sites keep disappearing every month) you'd still be in denial about a VERY COMMON experience that was talked about everywhere.

So you weren't on /toy/ or hisstank back in the day, then were you on any forums back then?
Also, are you in Canada? It has to be some place with very few Walmarts/Targets/TRUs, because stock does vary from store to store and one store would have sold out of jungle vipers/dustys/Storm Shadows but have nothingbut winter destros, but the walmart 8 miles away would have all of these pegwarming and so would the one that's 5 miles from that one.

And why do you automatically assume because something is great it HAS to have sold out and just stating the fact it didn't sell well must mean i hated it? Lots of great figures become shelfwarmers, even if they become hated due to preventing everyone from getting more stock. Shit, Winter Destro himself is a GREAT figure. Understandably, not everyone is a fan of winter gear figures, but it has a great paint job, lots of cool accesories; it would make any Mr Freeze fan insanely jealous.

>>11718316
NO U!

>>11718802
I saw a disproportionate number of Jungle Vipers, but where I lived they didn't rot on pegs and did move out before they could be clearanced. I guess it's different-area experiences. The movie figures are what sold the worse where I lived. I didn't see those move at all.

>>11718833
They didn't get clearanced out in my area either, but they definitely were preventing me (and many other people around the country) from getting the latest waves.
And back then, since GI Joe was still popular, they were getting case revisions that fixed various issues (missing accesories, paint problems, or more of certain figures per case). AND ontop of that, instead of the quarterly releases we get now, there was a new wave every two months... also, more figures per wave.

toy collecting was pretty amazing back then.

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Lmao what? I just got this guy like two weeks ago at Ross for $9. What is even going on right now?

>>11718850
my favorite spider-man costume

>>11718761
Is it just me, or does it look like they're doing a better job at getting the arms to come down? They're closer to coming straight down than a lot of previous figures did.

>Bleeding cool have pre-order info for the following:
>Night Creeper (D.I.R.E.-Tech) - $27.99 >Walmart Collector Con March 12-13
>Zanya & Chameleon - $59.99 Fanmazon May
>Prof. Rottclaw w/Cobra Deinonychus - $51.99 July
>Red Dog & Taurus 2-Pack - $59.99 Fanmazon July
I'm shocked the Night Creeper is the "reasonably" priced one of the bunch after how bloated the Viper's price was.

>>11719023
The ghost viper was a deluxe release
whether justified or not, the box was bigger, so of course it cost more
dire night creeper costs the same as crystal ball

>>11719023
No info on the Spec Ops Action Solider?

>>11719037
also there's been nothing at all about the weird apparent vehicle two-pack with snake eyes on the ferret vs. a recolored retro viper in a trubble bubble

>>11718850
He's back at Ross today, I just picked up one for $8.99 and a Cobra Commander for $9.99

>>11718745
I fucked up saving $20 for gloves?

>asking for extras he explicitly wasn't selling
Since I'm sure you do this yourself, he sold those extra's separately, the same way everyone else does who a soul-sucking scum-bag asshole scalper.

>>11719166
A lot of sellers do that with making extra money by parting out figures. That's just something to be mindful of. Basically assume that if it's not pictured, then it's not included. And avoid that seller in the future since he chose to be a hostile dick towards asking a simple thing.

>>11718802
>Shit, Winter Destro himself is a GREAT figure.
Did Hasbro pack too many of him in assortments, or was it just overshadowed by City Strike Destro being the superior Pursuit of Cobra Destro figure?

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>>11719309
Yep, thanks, plan to do that as far as that guy goes.

Found someone else selling a bunch of Joe, Mattel and WWE hands, he confirmed the ones I thought were Joes were, so I'll end up trying those for the fist but will also end up with mostly black gloved hands and can paint if I have to.

And I am sure I can use some of the other hands. The Joe heads work well on DCMVs and from other auctions I noticed, look like they even work well on top of some of the bulkier Marvel Legends bodies and I have both of those, left over, without heads or hands.

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>>11719539
Winter Destro came out before Money Bags Destro. It was almost half a year between their releases... plus, Money Bag Destro's wave was hard to find in the firist place, thanks to all the shelf warmers. Almost everything from that wave commanded big prices on ebay right away due to its relative scarcity (anything selling hundreds of thousands of units per month isn't actually scarce). So not a lot of people actually owned money bags destro.

Winter Destro was packed like a normal popular character would be, which is 2 per case. The problem i think is that specialized environment figures generally arent good sellers. You might interject with "but jungle" but jungle fits in with any green wooded area and kids don't care if the green and shadows is technically the wrong shades/pattern.
It's also why Dusty was a shelf warmer, despite his great design and coming with an alternate head so he can make an easy army builder. Other figures were labeled as desert themed, but their designs were much more neutral: they had more reds, browns, blacks, blues, instead of mostly tan. So kids/adults can pretend these figures are fighting in jungles or fututuristic cities much easier than a guy in a puffy coat with snow effects fighting in the jungle. I mean, people here have giant problems with a toy having trigger fingers when they want their figure to just have punching hands and that's way less noticeable than a figure's entire uniform.

>>11719717
I think the only one from that wave I got was Shadow Tracker. I probably saw Skydive, but Low Light and Money Bags Destro were always MIA.
Probably my penance for eating so good on Cobra Shock Troopers.

>>11719717
A number of the Jungle Joes had an unofficial Predator vibe going on that added to the appeal. I generally remember the Jungle and City figures being more popular with fans than the Polar and Desert ones.

Hasbro, if you're listening, Classified version of that Destro please, it's amazing. After Iron Grenadiers gold mask Destro, but get to it eventually.

>>11719767
>Hasbro, if you're listening, Classified version of that Destro please
maybe with an alt head that could make him an IG heavy

>>11719767
>Hasbro, if you're listening.........
They have their list. It's loaded with crap you don't want in order to pad out the releases to keep the line going for as long as possible. And they're tone-deaf as fuck to fan demands. And if you don't buy said crap, then you get blamed for your nearby Walmart no longer carrying the line and distribution becoming a pain in the ass.

>>11720081
Distribution doesn't suck because you don't buy a random GI Joe from Walmart. Distribution sucks because toys are the lowest priority for these companies. The toy section is only profitable two months out of the year, has high theft and returns turn over, and are often a bitch to maintain as they're the first section to get picked apart by kids and other randoms fucking around. The only reason Walmart even stocks toys in the first place because they're a high loss leader and a way to entice families into the store. That's it.

>>11720179
>Distribution doesn't suck because you don't buy a random GI Joe from Walmart.
So it sucks because people didn't buy enough from certain stores, but it sucks because of toys not being a priority

Stay consistent, please. And what I said it true: Hasbro extends the brand life with all sorts of crap, and they'd rather have a fiscal year where 50%+ of what they release ends up on clearance than have a really awesome year where everything's a success.

>>11720190
Shitty distribution has nothing less to do with someone buying figures from certain stores, and more to do with the fact that toys are one of, if not the lowest priority product for Walmart or Target. Just saying your gripe is more with the fact that your retailer of choice doesn't give a fuck about your product.

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>>11720192
That's not the argument that people have been giving for months. The GV was nothing but "IT'S YOUR FAULT FOR NOT BUYING OTHER SHIT FOR WHY YOUR STORE AND HELL YOUR WHOLE CITY DIDN'T GET IT IN" bullcrap.

>>11720198

you keep posting the same pics you NEED to mix it up if you want anyone to take your post seriously and not just filter you.