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Please state the nature of the medical emergency.
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>The Voyager crew encounters a Digimon
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We could have been a proper country, a proper world.
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>Alexander Hilary Kurtzman (born September 7, 1973) is an American filmmaker. He is best known for co-writing the scripts to Transformers (2007), Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009), Star Trek (2009), Star Trek Into Darkness (2013), and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) with his writing and producing partner Roberto Orci, and directing and co-writing The Mummy (2017). He made his directorial debut with People Like Us (2012), co-written alongside Orci and Jody Lambert.
Jesus wept
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So Future Janeway erased 16 years of Voyager traveling back home, right? Surely during those adventures they saved thousands of aliens. Now all of that shit got erased just to saved Tuvok and Seven because...they're main cast members so they matter more than the thousands (possibly even millions) of people that will now be erased from existence or altered to have much worse lives.
I fucking hate when time travel stories try painting a character who is altering a timeline as heroic or morally grey. It's selfish and pure evil, full stop.
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The more things change...
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>gay theater kids episode
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>>218227935
If Q had appeared right after the Caretaker's array was destroyed and offered a finger-snap to get the ship home they would have taken it. Seven would have remained in the collective, Echeb and the other kids too, along with how many other good/bad deeds done across 7 years in the Delta quadrant?
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>>218227940
'fans are furious'
OBJECTIVELY FALSE
as explained in previous thread
YES! There were fans of TOS who disliked TNG. Some fans hated the fact that it features a new crew HOWEVER
The first season of TNG is widely considered a bad season of television, with plenty of real stinkers.
Season two was a clear improvement, but it was season three when TNG genuinely became good.
The main reason TNG survived its first two rough seasons, despite their overall quality, is precisely because the majority of Trek fans continued to support it. That support held even though there were TOS fanatics who disliked the new cast, the different tone, and the new era .
By contrast, NuTrek doesn’t have that same goodwill behind it - and its low ratings reflect that.
tl;dr some TOS fanatics disliked TNG, but majority of Trek fans supported it
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There's an ending for the new Voyager game where you ignore future Janeway's orders and steer away from the Borg to go home the long way instead. You get a montage showing how shit everybody's life was by the time they made it back, and how several of the crew you picked up along the way either died or left the ship. Tom is a cripple drinking himself to death, Tuvok lost his mind (if you didn't let Tuvix live), Seven and Chakotay both die along the way too and Admiral Janeway contemplates going back in time to try again.
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>>218228174
The existence of the replicator ends scarcity. If you're in the UFP, you have access to replicators and become post-scarcity. I guess it's feasible that some UFP planets might want to keep an economic system in place if they feel it is working and beneficial to society but again, replicators.
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>>218227935
I'm sure there are plenty of aliens whose lives were made worse by Voyager too, inadvertently or otherwise, and maybe Janeway made terrible mistakes and decisions that a less desperate woman might have otherwise not inflicted on people.
Is it selfish? Probably. Was every decision you made in life a good one? Probably not. Would you be completely selfless after 16 miserable years knowing you could have done better, with the means to do so? It'd be better not to find out.
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How many good deeds could they have done in the Alpha quadrant in the 7 years they lost? Maybe in that timeline they did even better work.
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>>218228194
The Bolians are explicitly mentioned as having a bank so that kinda makes me scratch my head, I know there's a deleted scene from TNG that claims Bolius isn't a member world but they seem to be treated as such
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Bad worldbuilding + no writer ever cared to state how the federation functions.
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>How many good deeds could they have done in the Alpha quadrant in the 7 years they lost? Maybe in that timeline they did even better work.
Maybe they would've gotten mixed up in the Dominion War and been blown up in one of those huge fleet engagements? They left DS9 for the Badlands before all that shit popped off, didn't they? They didn't even know the Maquis had been wiped out until they started getting messages from home.
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>>218228224
It still makes sense.
Just because a culture is inwardly post-scarcity doesn't mean they have no outward-facing trade.
If your planet isn't internally trading/hording its resources, that means ALL of your planet's resources are available for external trade which would made interstellar trade with other worlds/cultures easier, without all the red tape of private ownership tied into anything.
The Bank of Bolias always struck me as being so reliable because it's a UFP world with a post-scarcity economy which means your assets stored there are never at risk from the Bolians themselves, really, which would make them great asset holders.
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You just lack imagination.
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>>218228231
prodigy is full of a lot of dumb nutrek shit too
>make a talaxian but call him a tellarite
>delta quadrant has tons of alpha quadrant shit in it
it was just funny to watch loser dorks scream and cry over the prodigy S1 finale having an actual star trek message in it vs. their dykening
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>Just because a culture is inwardly post-scarcity doesn't mean they have no outward-facing trade.
>If your planet isn't internally trading/hording its resources, that means ALL of your planet's resources are available for external trade which would made interstellar trade with other worlds/cultures easier, without all the red tape of private ownership tied into anything.
>The Bank of Bolias always struck me as being so reliable because it's a UFP world with a post-scarcity economy which means your assets stored there are never at risk from the Bolians themselves, really, which would make them great asset holders.
I like this explanation
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it ain't me
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>>218228408
Did you keep getting the bug during ship battles where it won't let you click the abilities or torpedos? I got around it by using E to bring up the orders window and 1-3 for abilities, but it was still annoying as fuck.
Also there was a time or two where Tom/Tuvok's audio logs doubled a line or didn't match the text exactly.
Game needs some work but I enjoyed the few days I spent playing it.
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>>218228263
Maybe they would've been integral to an early Federation victory, or Dominion victory.
Maybe Janeway would've blown up the wormhole.
It's an endless series of maybes, which isn't really conducive to morality because morality depends on consequence and causality.
You could argue that time travel itself is immoral, but it's better to have the option in a reality where other people have less qualms about it.
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I gave up clicking for torpedoes and just used hotkeys.
The game still needs some polish, because modern videogames don't release in a finished state anymore.
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They trade in energy/natural resources, in the TNG alt future episode they had limited replicator functionality in order to conserve power so I'd imagine running a replicator on a global scale would have massive energy requirements
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>>218228194
>The existence of the replicator ends scarcity.
Replicators need energy. As does the FTL travel. Realistically, spaceships would be made of alloys, and it's unlikely replicators could make them, just how they can't make dilithium
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>>218228490
Planets/Systems/Territory in general are also still a resource of scarcity. They're not replicating starships or whole planets so consumption didn't abate, it just changes in scope and scale as the technology advances for each region of the universe.
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>>218228545
That actually helps.
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>that Q episode where the Continuum is at war
>their whole motivation for driving towards peace is that their war is damaging subspace
>could end warp travel for everyone if they continue
>this is the thing that forces these immortals to finally reach an accord
This tells me that the Q would NEVER let "the burn" happen.
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>Captain, the M-5 computer has shut down life support on decks 4 and 6 and re-routed that power to its imaging processors, I'm locked out of the environmental controls!
>Imaging? What's it imaging? Spock?
>I'll put it on-screen Captain. It appears to be Brad Pitt and Keanu Reeves having a fist fight... and now a giant Chinese dragon is laying waste to a city...
>Daystrom, shut that thing off!
>Hollywood is over, Captain!
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>>218228064
I love assmad autistic images like that. Just letting the dark side flow through them bust still can't stop themselves from typing paragraphs. The rage, the rage.
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>>218228064
Then you've got TrekBBS where the average age is 65 but they all hate TNG... and throw some disparaging remarks at TOS, too... they pretty much only like NuTrek. Makes you wonder how they were fans to begin with.
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>my cake queen tilly is back
>she is going to seriously help children get over their war trauma
>am excited, maybe this can be good
>tilly being serious has the potential to be great! what can she have in store
>"THEATER"
Im ready to die now
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>>218229171
And I forgot my image ;_:
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>>218229042
Idk but whoever they are they are pretty rad.
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Remember when Mac randomly got fat and skinny again because they thought it would be funny back in the 00s when it actually took a lot of work for an actor to do. And now it’s just a normal 3-month change with every actor here in the big 26 lmfao
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>tfw Ozempic is cheaper than your anti-seizure medication
At least when I bite my tongue and choke on my own blood I won't be fat.
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>>218229400
Put a spoon in your mouth
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>>218229171
Picardo chewed the scenery with the resolve of a raging rodent and with the bilious bloviaton of a belching bovine
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>>218229877
Ask >>>/po/
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>>218229877
>If not, this could be your "But during the stone age..."
I don't know what that means
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>>218229042
That place is a radioactive wasteland
Supposedly some of the mutants and survivors are meeting up at the Mcfarlane Toys booth at zolocon this weekend in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania though
Might be some of those Wave 1 Nacelle transporter accident Trek toys there
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>>218229770
Shoutout to TOS for attempting this way back in 1966.They didn’t have the tech for it but dammit they tried!
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>>218230118
I’m 34 and TNG is my favorite show. This is probably a case of the only people who haven’t moved onto streaming/piracy are extremely old people who have the TV playing in the background 24/7.I work with Medicare patients and this is extremely common to hear in the background when they call us.
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>>218230118
I get ads for coworkers health problems. I kept seeing ads for diabetes and ED and made a joke about it at work, then a lieutenant on the bridge looked at his console in silence for the rest of the day. Turns out, he's on a beetus trek.
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>>218230244
Is that the Fat Controller? Where is his top hat?
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>>218229316
Everyone has been tom cruse maxxing for like 20 years, when you put on weight on purpose to preserve your face when not filming
So its not too crazy its just how you do it nw, ozempic just made it so you don't need a 400k a year trainer to do it
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I just finished Enterprise. I've already watched TNG, Voyager and DS9 before. That means there's only one good Trek left to watch.
Yup, it's finally time for Kirk and Spock.
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>>218230425
Enjoy your JewJew Trek, pakled
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>>218229967
Literally no one knows. There are theories.
There's "stupid writing" and then there's literally not being able to parse what they're saying. Kurtzmantrek is full of lofty dialogue that sounds dramatic but I'm now comparing it to Chrischan and his comic that people have been arguing about since 2005.
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>>218230425
>That means there's only one good Trek left to watch
Two
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forbidden us all irrevocably
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and this is our son's room
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>>218230588
JewJew Trek is Kurtzman Trek. There's very little difference. They're both dumbed down, trend-chasing garbage.
The only difference is that the trends that were being chased in 2009 are different (and more digestible) than the ones being chased now which are utterly repulsive to human beings with a brain.
But 2009 Trek is just as vapid and retarded as Kurtzman Trek below its surface level. Making Kirk into the flanderized "Kirk Drift" Kirk is an unforgivable sin. Making Spock ANGRY AHHHHHHH. Yo let's do a MODERN MUSIC SEQUENCE!!!!.
Just a shitty product of a better time, kind of the same reason why people like the Star Wars prequels.
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ai upscales are getting better and better
ignore the jutter, it's there for copyright reasons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIEJpmjseiY
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>>218231019
vs DVD & mpv treatment
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>>218230989
Even without the retarded story, characters and dialogue he is a terrible director
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>Remember, man does not own land! Anyway, want to join my terrorist organisation so we can fight to own land?
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>>218230957
>Computer, locate Ensign Anon
>"Ensign Anon is not on the ship"
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These things walk among us.
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>>218227659
how much do you think picardo level trek actors would charge to hang out with me on a yatch for 3 days and do star trek cruise shit? it looks like a lot of fun except for all the gross old and fat people everywhere
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'Lower Decks! Lower Decks!" chant begins. Trekkies are doing the Chu Chu Dance in the aisles.
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More awards for New Trek.
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They wasted Lee Meriwether on a pretty bad third season episode
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Welcome back Angel.
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>>218231301
There is "owning the land" as in i fight for my land against invaders
And
"Owning the land" in that you strip it of all resources and leave it worthless to the next generation.
When you hear Indians and Tolkien talk about Owning the Land they are referring to the later sentiment
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>>218231887
I can't believe I actually thought they were going to let her be thin
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>>218227663
WHY must this CONSTANTLY be posted in EVERY Trek general, you deviant obsessed piece of shit? I've long since stopped participating in Trek generals because I'm fucking sick of you retarded faggots constantly spamming the same shit over and over and over. Yes, we get it, you have nothing else of value to say. It will never happen btw, you pathetic weirdo. Fuck you. End Communication, tab closed. Unironically kill yourself.
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it was a Fuck You, End Communication, tab closed hazard
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>>218232038
That planet was what, 40,000 ly from the Alpha quadrant? He could've made it back in >70 years. How far into the future is Living Witness? They say he stayed on as chief doctor of that world for many years but not how many. When does "the burn" happen in that garbage non-canon slop they're calling Star Trek these days?
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>>218232173
>Spiner can't act. he can do "bits"
He can only do 10 bits: 0 and 1.
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>>218232140
he was stuck in the backup module for a few hundred years before the holohoaxer found him. theres not enough info to place it exactly but its close enough that we should be worried they will remember and bring him back for some old fashioned split screen pandering.
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Hmmm
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>>218232238
No it's fucking not you troglodyte I swear to fucking god, there is no "less worse" nutrek it's all terrible, it's all an affront on nature. I swear if Lower Standards wasn't a flash animated cartoon there wouldn't even BE a fanbase for it. Kill yourselves, all of you. I'm done fucking around.
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The thing is to, in her culture it wouldn’t be a whimsical thing to say that remarks on how short lived her species is (which is the intention for the viewer) it would be like telling your girlfriend she looks like a 10 year old.
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>>218232263
it was an I'm done fucking around hazard
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>>218232263
colm down, buddy.
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>>218232303
Ask the expert
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>Come back to thread
>Brent Spiner attack force is also back
No idea why people seethe so much over an actor who hasn't been relevant in over 30 years
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it was a transa gender identity hazard
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Maybe if you guys watched actual good sci-fi cartoons you would realize just how shitty Lower Decks actually is.
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>>218232233
honestly they should have brought her character back instead focusing on sisco in academy. would have made the show much better with her
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>sisco
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>>218232331
>tomino this tomino that
it's just a brand of shitty pizza rolls dude
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there were parts i liked
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>>218232322
Maybe they evolved under extreme conditions with an extremely low average age of mortality, pressures which selected for those who mature quickly enough to pass on their genes before a young death? Idk that's the best I can pull out of my ass.
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>>218228408
You can endlessly kill Tuvix, what's not to love?
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>>218232331
I liked Pantheon
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>>218232325
masks was just on
most of my post are comments on whatever episode i am half watching presently.
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>>218232411
Yet I am the only one with enough balls to post with a tripcode still. Odd.
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>>218232512
Beefers confirmed for having testicles
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>violent, savage race born addicted to drugs
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Imagine not realizing LeVar Burton was the new Spock. This is why we need ritualposts because the autists need continuous reinforcement.
Also, star trek sex with shran
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>>218232478
Brent was infamously salty they dumped that episode on him after filming multiple Data heavy episodes in a row as well as Generations. I'd be salty too.
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A tale as old as time.
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>>218228408
I pirated it because I knew it wasn't worth the 50+DLC dollarydoos and I was correct, I played through in two sittings, it was inoffensive but ultimately uninteresting rehash of plot points of a tv series I've watch a million time and it seemed to punish you whenever you didn't do exactly what janeway did on the show at least the few times I did and little to no "gameplay" other than clicking through menus, and having bellana on hand to give you a shield refresh in the "combat" made that a trivial affair. If it's on sale on steam in the future for under $5 maybe get it for a giggle but otherwise it's a total turd.
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>>218232999
It's called "faith" brownskin.
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>>218232999
Before I watched it I thought it was cringe crying eagle nevar 4get shit. To some degree it is, but it actually still feels like Star Trek and they were actually getting into more interesting plot right when it got cancelled.
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>average vulcan meal
boomer niggas actually thought this species was cool
lmao
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>>218233329
I've yet to see a fat vulcan.
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Phlox is a great character honestly. And ENT has a lot of funny little moments like this that give it that Trek charm
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I like ENT more than VOY.
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>>218233456
posted it in the wrong thread
please forgive this humiliation
>>218233450
Bit of an autismo thing to say but I liked Trip's swearing.
I mean it's gentle stuff (bitch/bastard/damn) but it really reinforced the ENT crew being closer to our type of unenlightened humans, yet albeit advanced enough to be different from us. They don't see any big meanie words that are alien by the 23rd century (a la Star Trek 4).
On the whole I think Enterprise did an amazing job making them less evolved than the 23rd/24th century but more evolved than our century.
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>>218233433
NO!
Me and my dad are huge Frasier fans. He watched the first episode of the reboot and said it sucks.
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>>218233493
name one fat person in Enterprise
and Phlox is not fat. He is a chunky Denobulan teddy bear.
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>Frasier
>Picard
>Will
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Do trains still exist in the year 3000? and are aliens also familiar with them?
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>>218233473
>Just because they smile and eat chicken doesn't mean they've learned to master their emotions.
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>Frasier
>Picard
>WIll & Grace
>Harry Potter on HBO
>Simpsons Movie #2
>Scrubs rebooted yesterday
>Malcolm in the Middle
>Dexter
why is so much 90s/00s shit just being revived?
why does nobody have any ideas about anything anymore?
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haven't rewatched it in years
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>>218233582
pretty sure theres still more miles of rail in the US than the rest of the world combined but china might have closed the gap. eurofags will never know freedom
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>>218233570
auditors ask questions when they see you lost a billion dollars on a new idea with unknown talent. auditors do not ask questions when frasier 2 loses money.
i dont understand why people dont understand its a business first, and an extremely jewish business. plan A is always to make a profit without delivering a viable product.
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>>218233695
but why wasn't the 90s filled with people trying to plagiarise shit from the 60s like Lucille Ball or the Mary Tyler Moore show or What's My Line?
Humans are so uninnovative. Everything up until Shakespeare and Don Quixote was just derivative of the Iliad and Odyssey over and over and over again. And even everything was derivative of those four until the 19th century arguably.
Just weird that the 20th/early 21st was so jampacked full of gloriousness and now we're devolved back into our plebeian state.
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>>218233719
Unknown.
The commonly cited figure for Federation planet membership is 154 but that very likely excludes colonies with identical species. That's probably star systems instead of planets too. I don't think anyone would be claiming Venus/Jupiter away from the humans.
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>>218233695
It just sucks when a show has a satisfying ending and then the legacy sequel undoes everything to force the characters back into status quo. And it doesn't even do anything meaningful with the time the characters have been away. Half the time the endgame couple gets divorced. It's pity porn for aging millennials.
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>>218233932
The generations are fucked, I think there is more to a group that is something like 1987-1996 than there are anything else millennial. I have a friend born something like 4 years before me & he's obsessed with 80s culture that he sort of grew up in but came of age in the 90s. I meanwhile want nothing to do with the 80s.
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>>218233752
its mostly because theyve grown increasingly dependent on accounting tricks and the rules have changed to make it easier
they also did other stuff instead to similar effect. more spinoffs, fraiser started 10 years after cheers. and more reunion specials because there was an understanding that nostalgia isnt enough to support revivals so they would be better served cashing in with a 2 hour special that costs nothing to produce.
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>>218233752
>"but why wasn't the 90s filled with people trying to plagiarise shit from the 60s?" he asked, in a thread about a series of late 80s/90s shows that revived a 1960s property
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>>218233982
It's probably also a tax scam where the actor is given something to do with a paper trail so they can stay on the SAG payroll a bit longer. I refuse to believe some 35 year old is dying for more Scrubs/Buffy/Malcolm/X-Files.
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>>218234076
It's getting shit on for trying to be like every other streaming show, not that it's trying something different within Trek. They aimed for Degrassi in space, got it, and no one really wants it. A show without an audience in mind.
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was she too sexy?
Kate Mulgrew may have had a point you know
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>>218234111
They aren't, the studios are petrified of new concepts & new ideas because streaming in of itself is a failure & not the material. It's why a lot of studios have went back to the model of making something themselves but selling the property to stream elsewhere.
They think 6 episodes to start will make a franchise as big as GOT was, they have no ambition but a ton of fear, and that fear is a publicly traded company bumping you off for not hitting more sweet dividends.
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>>218234166
I knew even 10 years ago when Netflix was spending billions on content and only charging $13/month there was no way the model was profitable. And then every studio decided to do the same thing with their own streaming service.
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>>218234149
her original silver outfit is ridiculous
literally every shot is her ass or her tits with her nipples faintly showing through
the brown outfit is still suggestive but its like taking a 10/10 down to an 8/10, im not surprised they did away with the silver after all the publicity had subsided
she basically doubled Voyager's ratings though so I don't know what you mean by too sexy, seems like she was exactly sexy enough
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>>218234388
They don't, and they don't care either. They already have you, they don't want you, they want new subs. You're honestly worth more to them with your own account but then you'd just watch those things again then eventually cancel.
Instead, they're desperately chasing a demographic that might not even exist. They have to keep growing even if they've hit the absolute limit on total amount of people that have even heard of the product, let alone able to pay for it.
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>>218234331
60s Trek was written by people who fully bought into the idea of the future, but they had to tone things down and be subtle to get their vision on TV because the producers and the audience were not quite on that wavelength.
80s to 00s Trek was written by people who were happy enough to deconstruct the older ideas of the future, and they had a lot of support from the producers to indulge this kind of story, but they still had to be subtle about it to keep parts of the audience.
Modern Trek is written by people who buy into the current thing and they mostly have the full support of the producers to get this onto the stream.
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>>218234619
And this is also why I think Lower Decks worked as well as it did. On one hand it was clearly a 'current thing' and 'modern audience' show, but it was made by people who really were fans of the earlier Trek shows. So we got the only real attempt to look at the older Trek ideas through a modern lens, and also the only real attempt to look at more modern cultural ideas using older Trek sensibilities. Couldn't have happened if they weren't a comedy.
Strange New Worlds does OK at this too desu, it's just a bit bland. Discovery isn't bland but it is 'noisy', it doesn't know what it's trying to say. Starfleet Academy DOES know what it's trying to say, it's just a bit retarded.
Don't get me wrong I'm a massive Trekkie and even like the new stuff (even Section 31 was fine as a B movie), it's just that it has pretty clearly changed over time. Right now it's not really pushing any kind of social or moral or ethical or philosophical envelopes, but there are embers of that attitude that can still be seen so I think it can get back in the groove.
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>>218234865
>I'm a massive Trekkie and even like the new stuff
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Not that Paramount owns WB/DC, when are we seeing a live-action adaption of this?
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>>218235383
DC actually published Star Trek comics for a long time.
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