>does the equivalent of a 9/11 on Cardassia >allowed to maintain command of his ship while escorted back Is there any species that has suffered more than the Cardassians?
>>220463962 I just watched the episode where Quark was chewing out Sisko on his racism like "We may be greedy and stupid, but we never did no Holocaust!" And Sisko was like "Damn. I hadn't considered that."
>>220464015 that kind of stuff just sticks out to me like a sore thumb of Behr being a faggot shoehorning his retarded >THE FEDERATION IS LE BAD AKSHUALLY agenda anywhere he could
>>220463989 I'll just pretend that was nonsense made up by one of the galaxy's many god-like aliens to discourage the Federation from expanding its borders that was later exposed as a hoax.
>>220464052 Well, you're a dumbass because that's not what Quark is saying at all. He's talking about humans specifically and their history, not the current Federation.
His whole point was that if you took away the 'paradise' of the UFP, took away their replicators and their blankets, made them hungry and scared again, they'd revert from their "enlightened" state which we've seen time and again to be true from human colonies that have sort of disconnected themselves from the UFP (rape gangs, anybody?)
>>220463989 War. War against the Dominion. Environmental restrictions are the first casualties of war, and when it was over they kinda "forgot" to reinstate it.
>>220464039 It literally is tho >cardassians start a war and lose, ends with a bombing The consequences of their actions >bajorans randomly get enslaved by aliens by 50 years Completely innocent
God damn, I would fuck the SHIT out of that spaceship. It would be worse than that guy who fell in love with a Volkswagen Beetle and got dragged underneath it.
>>220464256 >Completely innocent The prophets are “of Bajor” The prophets deliberately caused the Dominion war so that Sisko could throw Dukat into a volcano He should have killed them all
The Bajorans willingly allowed the occupation to happen. After 10 years they started doing terrorisms. You can argue that it parallels the Cardassians allying with the Dominion only to be betrayed by them
>>220464354 DS9 was really damaged by former Dax leaving the show. The final seasons felt incomplete with a character you've been accustomed to for the last 6 years.
Reminder that the best trek uniforms from Wrath of Khan were inspired by Hornblower and meant to dab on the shitty TNG uniforms that look like some shit the teletubbies would wear.
>>220465341 kek, far from, retard. humans come in different shapes, colors and sizes as well as lifestyles and priorities. you'd know that if you went outside sometimes.
>>220465550 in a population of billions if not more humans, let alone other species, variations are the norm. people have different lifestyles and priorities, some will feel uncomfortable at higher weights some won't. their prejudice, simple. go outside, get a job, talk to people, there's all kinds.
I wish Voyager got more Delta Quadrant technology installed on it as the ship travelled through it. It would've been cool to see some exotic weaponry or new propulsion or shielding systems or somthing. The closest thing we got to that were the armor and torpedoes Future Janeway gave them. There's also astrometrics and the borg circuitry, but that's not a huge difference to the ship.
>>220465786 that's four pieces of tech you mentioned. after watching discovery introduce that much each season i'm grateful about voyagers more methodical approach, we even got stories of voyager trying and failing to acquire or install new tech, like the not-rizan teleporter tech and quantum slipstream drive failing.
I finished Voyager today I liked it! Definitely a little weaker overall than TNG or DS9 but a lot of the time its a comfier watch, like it's easier to picture yourself on the crew of Voyager than it is the Enterprise. Off the top of my head my favorite episodes were Dreadnought, Distant Origin, Living Witness, and Shattered
if Star Fleet has rigorous psychological exams to see how applicants perform under pressure and deal with their greatest fears, how did Barclay get in?
>>220466203 he picked the operations career path, not command, and stayed lower decks for his whole career. he wouldn't have had more than basic emergency and crisis training, like where to stand during red alert and how to get to an escape pod.
>>220466203 He was a sharp young cadet but Holodeck overuse dulled his brain. He has to tour Federation schools to warn about the dangers of Holodeck addiction as part of his discipline.
>>220466731 >makeup design by Michael Westmore >His career began at Universal Studios in 1961, and spanned four decades, including working for the CIA creating make-up kits for spies overseas. Why does Star Trek have so many CIA affiliated people? Recently I found out Nana Visitor's brother was a notorious CIA agent and a direct inspiration for James Bond.
>>220466871 The CIA has been working with Star Trek since at least the eighties. They believe media influences behavior. Of course they're going to keep an eye on one of the most influential brands.
>>220463010 >Flash Gordon is also an exception to that rule "Rocketship" was overwhelmingly the default design of spaceships in literary science fiction for decades prior to Star Trek. Flash Gordon didn't invent spaceships.
>>220463111 I really, really like that we got to see Beverly's O face in this episode.
>>220466871 So can we now assume that Westmore could be the same guy who did a mediocre makeup mask on the guy Tiffany Gomas claimed was "not real" in her profanity-laced rant on an American Airlines flight from Dallas-Fort Worth to Orlando in July 2023?
>>220463231 1940s-60s pulp scifi paperbacks are 100% my wheelhouse so I won't. I'm not so autistic as to rank and organize every single author I read by the style of the spaceships they depict in their writing, but.. hm.... maybe...
Well anyway, I should mention that cover art is always a different beast from the content of the books too. I love old cover art in its campy goodness, but it's always one interpretation that, to our modern brains, often projects the image that all these stories were basic low-intellect Flash Gordon/Zap Branigan style man-with-raygun, zap zap pow save the universe style stories, when in fact they often were much deeper and more introspective than is commonly realized. Not to overly wage this crusade on /tv/ because this is literally the teevee board and all, but shows like Star Trek just kind of skim the surface of how hard some of these authors go in exploring the human condition and how science and technology might change it across time.
>>220466081 Oh Intendant what do you Intend for me...
Was Worf raised by humans in the mirror universe? Or was he just magically a warlord with no relation to his other self? It would be a pretty satisfying parallel to certain real world historical figures if his dominance of Klingondom came as a result of his association with other cultures.
>>220467408 terrans are supposed to be super raycis but it'd make sense to assume he grew up among them, learned their brutal ways and that that's what made him qualified to become regent after the revolution as well as why the klingon-cardassian alliance turned out to be just the terran empire in a different color
>>220463856 They were a species on a quick rise before getting fucked over by some crystal palace douche and his dumb mate. >rapid birth cycle >on the cusp of evolving into superpsychics Another century and they might've become something other than placid rugrats.
>>220467621 the design was literally the exact same as the "Progenitors" from TNG it's not like they started it with Odo. i mean they even had Salome Jens in that episode too
What happened to the Warburg family in Star Trek canon? They've been powerful bankers since the 15th century and are founders of much of modern society with many prominent family members in government, media and finance...surely they couldn't have just up and disappeared?
>>220463989 It was just for that region of space, which is a backwater. It was a restriction for that specific corridor, not the entire galaxy. While similar risks may eventually come into play in lest unstable regions, the federation has plenty of career physicists who can spend entire lifetimes working on different/better warp technology. For most regions of the galaxy, the problem would probably take thousands of years to become a real issue.
Probably the last time I'm going to post about this show, but I just want to understand.
How?
How did this show become so bad? It took a complete nosedive in quality after the second season. I started Season 4 and just about every episode I turn it of about 10 minutes or so away from the end out of sheer annoyance. Nonsense story and terrible acting. The only saving grace is G'kar, who would have made a great Cardassian. Anyone who has recommended this show in the past as supplementary material for DS9 is completely delusional. I wasn't even this bored watching Voyager.
>>220469495 I do think it is pretty overrated. The writing is great at its best but the storyboarding is pretty bad once you really get into the Shadow War. I think JMS just kept making bad decisions and didn't know how to end it, similar to Battlestar Galactica post season 3.
>>220469495 >G'kar king and why not call it supplementary material? I don't think that wording was used when we recommended it. B5 is not DS9 but if you like DS9, B5 might be for you. There's a reason it's more niche, it's an oddball show with a limited audience and fan culture around it. later seasons get wonkier and wonkier but be real, it's campy shlock from the get go.
What *is* that on Kazon's heads anyway? I always assumed it was intended to be something like Stegosaur plates but it also looks like it could just be dirty hair.
>>220469551 Should have just kept going with the earth stuff. Once they started abandoning all the mystery behind the Vorlons, Shadows, and Minbari, it just ruined it it for me.
>>220469588 It had a fairly sophisticated overarching plot, at least more than regular Star Trek. Second season is like the West Wing in some ways.
>>220469755 frakes 'sodes are always best. the commentary on that 'sode is great too, actors couldn't see for shit. sadly no real amount of blooper footage of them falling over or running into things.
>>220470041 no retard that's an aenar, a subspecies. they're slugs, alpha canon gives them four genders required for reproduction, beta explains them as being two fertilizers, one egg producer and one nurturer sex.
>>220464408 I always end up skipping the majority of the last season on rewatches, can't deal with the serialisation and cast switchup
Oddly I could watch ENT just fine which is much more consistently serialised, but it's at least still consistently got nice breakup episodes to keep things fresher
Some indie shitband on my local radio made a song about an android being anatomically correct and "fully functional." It's an obvious allusion to The Naked Now. Stuff like this is why I only listen to real music.
This episode is beyond fucked up. I just finished watching it and while I enjoyed it I can't help but feel McCoy or Crusher would have been able to treat the pathogen that is converting her DNA. She was revived human and only after exposure to the pathogen was turned into another species. It is basically the TNG episode Identity Crisis with a bonus resurrection before the infection. >but there is not enough of her DNA left well then use the transporter and create more DNA, you have it on file I am sure.
>>220473325 It may be one of those memes like “He’s dead, Jim” or “Beam me up, Scotty” that people repeat without knowing the origin. I’m surprised “Ugly bags of mostly water” never caught on as a meme.
>>220473383 Why are they following tradition with shooting corpses out into space? I feel like most families would be upset that their loved ones were jettisoned on the opposite side of the galaxy for a cause that wasn't their own. I sure as fuck hope they're not doing that with the dead Maquis crewmen, otherwise Chakotay really is just Janeway's little bitch.
Computer, activate the transwarp beaming program we received from that alternate version of Montgomery Scott and send Wesley Crusher to the galactic rim in the delta quadrant.
>>220474851 >teaser is Tom talking about how the threats they've faced could be used as the basis of horror holo-novels >ends with a zombie coming out of storage >the zombies swarm the holodeck while Tom and Harry are working on a holo-novel in the vein of Ancient Earth B-movies but with recreations of various enemies they've faced >main villains of the episode are Zombie Joe Carey and a holographic recreation of Fear (Chuck McGill) who somehow gets the mobile emitter >basically another throwback episode like Shattered kinoooooo
>>220475925 >Computer, activate program LaForgecel 1 >Initiate hand-holding subroutine >"Unable to comply. Please recalibrate ick levels. Security to holodeck 4. Priority One, a non-sentient program is simulating discomfort."
>>220476713 Like that time he: >died >fumbled with Seven of Nine >banged that alien chick and got space AIDS >got nearly dissolved by Species 8472 >destroyed the ship by miscalculating a variable, killing everyone >got mad at Tuvok for talking to his holowaifu >got tormented by a weird clown hologram >told everybody THIS IS MY FRIEND in the chute I know you were making a joke but there are way more memorable Harry Kim moments than there are Julian Bashir moments, for example
>>220477143 told the computer to focus on real world literature for now. I feel like the authors added some made up ones too, mostly when the characters list works to take inspiration from, just to make it believable.
pic related is an extrapolated general Starfleet Academy reading list >Section II: Ethics, Strategy & Political Philosophy The Art of War by Sun Tzu (Riker loves this one) The Communist Manifesto (ffs Nog!) The Teachings of Surak (Standard reading for all command track cadets) The Meditations by Marcus Aurelius (Fuck yeah) >Section III: Deduction, Noir & Cultural Analysis The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (Datas favorite) The Dixon Hill Series (Picards guilty pleasure) The Labors of Hercules by Agatha Christia (Janeway loves this one) The Dream of the Red Chamber by Cao Xueqin (studied by Data to understand human connectioon) >Section IV: Professional Journals & Technical Media (all fictional) Starfleet Medical Journal (medical track) Journal of Applied Physics (engineering track) Acta Mega-Astrophysicalis (Stellar cartography and science tracks) The Journal of Alien Pathologies (medical track) >Section V: Poetry & The Arts Calmly We Walk Through This April's Day by Delmore Schwartz Ode to Spot by Data The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam The Best Is Yet to Come by Cy Coleman and Carolyn Leigh
Interested in Xenoanthropology, cadet? I got you covered >Klingon literature The Dream of the Fire by K'Ratak (Data gifts Worf a leatherbound copy) The Tragedy of Kham-bi (A Klingon theatre play) The Paq'batlh (sacred religious text detailing the life and teachings of Kahless the Unforgettable) The Epic of Kahless (Klingon Bible equivalent) Klingon Shakespeare >Cardassian Literature The Never-Ending Sacrifice (The greatest example of the repetitive epic) Meditations on a Crimson Shadow by Preloc (Garaks choice) The Enigma Tales (Mystery novels, all suspects are guilty) >Bajoran Literature The Scrolls of the Prophets (Bajoran Qur'an, both religious and legal) The Prophecies of Ourset (Prophecy) The Call of the Prophets by Akorem Laan (Poetry) The Book of the Kosst Amojan (Dark counter of the sacred scrolls) >Ferengi "literature" The Rules of Acquisition by Grand Nagus Gint (holy book of commerce) Vulcan Love Slave (series of scandalous Holonovels) >Vulcan teachings The Teachings of Surak (holy text of logic) The Kir'Shara (The original, unadulterated writings of Surak) The Analects of Surak (Vulcan Talmud) >Holographic works The Photonic Man by EMH Mk1 Insurrection Alpha by Tuvok and Seska
>>220469997 >actors couldn't see for shit I don't get why they even needed eyeslits. At no point does he do anything other than stand and talk. I don't think there are even any scenes of him walking.
>>220477895 With a foreword rivaling the Mahabharata in length kek to be fair, it was written by a photonic who can just play it at 40x speed and still understand every nuance, doc just lives in a completely different timeframe
>>220478051 commentary says the headpiece and neck were one solid thing connected to the suit before shooting begins and they stayed in it all day. Really wish there was more behind the scenes footage on this episode. i've done set assistant work for a B-movie monster flick years ago, the dude in the werewolf costume was supposed to move as little as possible between shots to avoid the costume slipping in a way that'd break continuity. he had to piss once and they needed to take pictures to make sure they could put the costume back together just as it was before proceeding with the shoot.
Computer, run Fair Haven program at 1/50th scale, play following audio file upon program's activation. Safety protocols off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6qAIaqK3_Q
>>220464197 >proceeds to never appear again I’m watching voyager for the first time and I think would have really benefited from some second string minor characters in the background and occasionally getting lines and sometimes their own episodes. An equivalent to tng’s Ro, obrien, and Barclay. It’s supposedly just 150ish people on the ship but the extras are always different
>>220479704 That's pretty much my #1 complaint with Voyager. The show's premise was the perfect opportunity to develop a large cast of secondary & tertiary goldshirts that makes the crew feel like a family and it gets completely squandered.
The finale pretty much makes the notion that everyone outside the main cast is unimportant an actual view held by Janeway rather than just an unfortunate result of casting budgets.
>>220479704 >>220479893 I don't think Voyager even had recurring non-verbal background/bridge officers like TNG had who even stuck around into the movies... with such a small crew you'd think they could stick to the same select group of extras, but I know hiring extras doesn't typically work like that
