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The Nightmare is ongoing... >>558786416
>Tiphera (NEW) Character PV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg1sP1WIWlg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8JMu-LIhuQ
>Balance Adjustments for Season 2
https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11909138
https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/12011077
>Roadmap Stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsCuVfILlh4
>Dev notes 02/04
https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/12012929
>Useful Links and Resources
https://rentry.org/xtb66f3i
https://wiki.e7bot.top/#/czn/combatant
>Current Featured Banner
[ Tiphera ] Order - Controller
Rate Up Period: 02/25/2026 - 03/18/2026
>Upcoming Featured Banners
Presumably Rita, the catgirl
>Current/Upcoming Events
Spiral Tower of Screams (Beta)
New Season - Seed of Karmic Fire | 02/04/2026 - 04/08/2026
>Why didn't my Save Data save properly?
Check the Rentry
>Deckbuilders
https://czn-save-cal.web.app/
https://wiki.e7bot.top/#/czn/deck-builder
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Chaos is a ladder...
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Tiph status?
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Should I go for another copy of Quantum Seed?
I still have three shops to visit so should I change epi on something?
Maybe change epi on Form Convergence and copy it?
What are your thoughts?
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Thanks for making the thread
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I'm a routine thread maker and .webm clipper, and I sold my account and uninstalled the game. Sorry, you guys have to make the threads now. I don't hate CZN, it's just too much game for a gacha for me. I would have loved if this was a real game. Maybe I'll check back and buy a cheap account around anniversary or something.
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>>558916389
E2 + partner, baby
Can't be assed to farm a quad divine save data though
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>>558916887
I was already baking.
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>>558917046
>I'm a (...) .webm clipper
Can you please share your wisdom, I'm just grabbing shit from the thread
>>558917075
Apologies
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why does Maribell like kissing so much?
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>>558917168
I will. I only checked this thread because I'm the one who made the OP .webm.
I'd just like to reiterate that I like CZN, it's just too much game to be required to play consistently. I'm the type of person who binges a game then forgets about it. Farming Save Data is too much of a chore. They made removals and copies extremely easy and I applaud them for that, but generic epiphanies still clog the pool in such a way that the new epiphany reroll isn't even actually helpful 90% of the time. They should have removed generics as well. The new extra currency that you have to farm for the new perk tree is what nailed the coffin for me.
>>558917196
$90. Definitely worth it. I basically got paid (a small amount) to play a fun game for 3-4 months.
>>558917234
>Can you please share your wisdom, I'm just grabbing shit from the thread
It's not rocket science. I use "WebMConverter-3.34.0" which is "webm for bakas", formerly "webm for dummies/lazies" or something like that. It's really easy and I think it was made by anons, because the previous one at least directly mentioned 4chan when 4chan added the new, more efficient codex as a thing that you can upload.
Just download the YouTube video (or Twitter video, if they didn't upload it to YouTube) and then "Trim" the parts that you want, and "Crop" it if necessary (like I did with the OP). There is a box you can check to force the program to create an output that is <4mb so you can upload it to 4chan, but you should only check that box if it's going to create an output that is above 4mb. You'll get a feel for whether or not the .webm will be larger than 4mb after a while. Depending on how badly the force 4mb output starts to generate artifacts, it might be better for the quality of the .webm to instead reduce the resolution to 720p or maybe even 480 if it's a longer clip.
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>>558917926
>The new extra currency that you have to farm for the new perk tree is what nailed the coffin for me.
>>558917926
>$90. Definitely worth it
Alrighty
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>>558917234
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>>558918270
Additionally, there is no easy way to make a .webm that loops flawlessly. What I do is find either a good starting place or a good ending place, then I screenshot it, then I rewind or advance (depending on whether I started at the end of the animation or the beginning) until I find a matching frame. Also, if the animation loops, such as Tiph's idle battle animation, you need to clip the webm to be 1 frame after (or 1 frame before, again depending) where the animation starts. If you end the video on the same animation frame as where the clip begins, you will be duplicating the 1st frame of the animation, so there is a slight perceivable "lag" in the animation loop. Hopefully that explanation makes sense.
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>>558918541
Neat
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hairy pussy
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>>558919469
ok, see you tomorrow
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>>558920176
Chill bwos, he is a nice guy
Maybe just a little autistic like all of us
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Wish I'd got another dupe, but it looks like sticking to Twin Star's Shadow to farm Mei Lin decks is the right way to go.
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>>558920176
Sorry for what?
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What the FUCK do they mean by this
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>>558921619
TRUE is the number of times you need to succeed I think, but it's being interpreted as a boolean instead of an integer.
Not sure about 50 ability, maybe <50% chance of succeeding? Crazy that they haven't fixed this yet.
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>>558915994
where fanart
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>>558922646
Eloquence
>>558922803
He's talking about pure dice rolls that are uncategorized
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>>558922182
Tiana's the best Partner in the game aside from Peko, imo. Depends on your resources, though. I mostly pulled because I also wanted to get enough strands to get Gaya from the exchange so it wasn't an objective choice. Still glad I have her.
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Chaos Stonks Nightmare
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>>558922908
no I mean
dex
analysis
I don't remember
and eloquence
>>558922803
since TRUE is also being interpreted wrong, I assume the value is also wrong. the highest roll I've seen was like a 17 maybe, so maybe 18.
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>>558922912
I'll hold for now and see what we're getting next. I'm not super active in CZN, so grinding pulls take a bit longer for me. Shame I was taking a break during Nine's banner. I managed to get her from the standard banner, but it'll be a while until I can buy Alcea with strands.
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>>558924547
There is this motherfucker in the game. It’s a NORMAL encounter. He summons a pack of dogs, everyone himself included hits like a truck! And then my run goes to shit!
Tell me that isn’t a horror!
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>>558929748
I have NEVER lost to him.
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Should I remove Fatal Strike?
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>Mika is irrelevant now
>gets this
Man imagine if necrosis didn't exist hahaha...
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>>558935078
My GOAT is getting in the game??
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I will try to build ChizuChu basic attack deck. Is she fine on her own during Chaos runs or do I have to bring a babysitter?
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>>558936039
She's really good now, so you won't need to dogwalk her. That said, she works really well with Narja and another card-spammer like Tressa, so it'd still be a good idea to bring them along. And keep in mind that Chizuru blocks AP gain so don't bring Mika or Tiphera.
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>there is a weekly limit of exp you can get from the battle pass
what the fuck? this is the first gacha I seen with this level of timekeeping.
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>bro you can't use tiphera on both halves...
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thanks
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holy brick
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>>558941313
great idea. instead of using mika who can draw and generate ap and also heal, i should just use nia, who can draw... and make extra attacks that fuck up my vuln stacks for almost no damage. brilliant.
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Ok...
Hope I can grind enough gem for 63 roll for tiph then
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Now I regret skipping the last BP...
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>>558944297
She's good, but a bit weird and hard to build a deck for. Her gimmick is that she generates Dirge Bullet cards that you can use like normal attacks, or when you discard them she'll automatically do a weaker attack. You want to clog your deck with as many bullets as possible and discard as many as you can to turn her revolver into a minigun.
Her best friend is Nia, one of the four-star supports. Nia has a bunch of discard and draw cards. Nia's Ego Skill discards your entire draw pile, so if you wait until you make a bunch of Dirge Bullets and get them in your deck after a shuffle, then use Nia's skill, Renoa will go utterly apeshit.
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touched her cervix
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>>558946481
he never said he used his dick
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>>558936039
Got kinda of a meme Agony build for her.
>>558936539
Yeah, she did good. I like how multi hits stack her thing, so Narja's card were very useful.
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>>558949576
I feel like "it's an acquired taste" is a fallacy even when it's not literally only sunk cost and neither participate in/eat things that I dislike that people insist get better, nor encourage others to.
but also I think that this is both untrue and retarded.
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how many dupes of tiph should I get? looking at the buffs looks like e4 is a good stopping point? e6 doesn't look that good for the cost.
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PEW PEW PEW PEW
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>>558950530
it looks like 2, 4, and 6 are all breakpoints; by which I mean 1 isn't significant, the ego buff isn't that big of a deal, and the card upgrades are ignorable as usual.
2 unlocks her gauge thing. 4 is another party buff. 6 is a new playstyle.
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I can't prove it but either its the game itself or the launcher is eating up all the memory as I play and it just makes the PC lag after an hour of play.
So not are the devs shitty writers, they're also shitty devs.
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started 2 days ago, didnt get a real damage dealer. what team do i cope with for now ? tried beryl veronica orlea but my hand gets clogged every turn
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Finally killed that Colossus nigger
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>>558957473
Surely you can pick Mei Lin or Rin from selector no...? Rin/Mei Lin - Veronica - Tiph/Orlea could work.
>>558957547
Just drag them around with Nine + Support (Tiph/Veronica)
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>>558956742
there's a little Tiph art here but it's just that the game is not producing any fanart
https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/%E3%82%AB%E3%82%AA%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BC%E3% 83%AD%E3%83%8A%E3%82%A4%E3%83%88%E3 %83%A1%E3%82%A2/artworks
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>>558957528
Fucking faggot game
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>>558959049
It's the "rescue merit" button. It lets you pick which 6 standard combatants to get
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>>558959163
yeah... soon...
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>>558958123
Bwo EU people pay like 25% or some shit more than US because of retarded taxes.
If they put it on stream they can just add 30% on top if steam takes that tax.
On twitch I pay 25% more when I buy a sub on mobile versus on desktop because the EU is a giant subhuman tax complex.
It always goes to the consumers burden.
What I want to say is that it is retarded by smilegook to not put in on steam
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i spell her name wrong half the time too
couldn't even tell there was a mistake
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Rennie's voice reminds me of my ex
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Don't bully Reana.
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So I don't remove the last basic if I want 5 divines right
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>>558956021
The banner's so polluted that I don't see the point in saving orange anchors. I've been playing since the first week and I still don't have Khalipe, so it's not like I'd be confident aiming for Tiphera or who ever once she's on the standard banner no matter how many pulls I had saved up.
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>>558964187
This kinda sucks, I actually have too much of a good thing
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>>558964853
Anon there's 3 things you do with her.
>To make her a dps you need her on E6 so forget about that.
>Then there's two builds and it entirely depends on sneed's epiphany.
>You either make her a draw engine (draw 1 epiphany with 1AP) or an exhaust card factory (crate 3 draw 1, activate the retain of a card in hand twice + have the triangle epiphany as "retain: draw 1 creation card")
That's the character
For any of those things, the epiphany on dual creation basically doesn't matter, but of those 3 options the right one is the best one
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>>558859137
>JP is back as the highest % spending
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>>558964028
Man...
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>>558966253
I'm saying she is dumb because she thinks "google and apple bad".
She does not understand that her government is taking that money to feed Mohamud and 2 million more islamic males in perfect fighting age so that they do not have to work and can rape her and her family whenever and however they want.
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Newfag question
Will I get another 5* if I do the remaining rolls on the beginner banner if ive already gotten one before?
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>>558967608
I'm honestly not sure. I don't remember this banner, it must have been added later. Either way, you can only use the orange anchors on the standard banner anyway, so rolling here and saving four of them sounds like a smarter move whether the pity's still active or not.
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i don't understand how people do the first phase in 5 turns, my decks aren't bad and i keep failing
it's enraging
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>>558969612
Two things
>High power scope epiphany to the one that has selena doing a coordinated attack for every attack for a turn is a lot of damage you're missing (not only that, you're adding mark to both hands which means that you can't completely destroy the right hand without hitting the left hand and triggering the fury which means you're getting dogshit added to your deck)
>It takes exactly 6 lasers to break the tenacity bar of the giant's arms and face. You have 3 homing lasers so you can't easily loop laserx6 into tactical maneuver 4 times to play a trillion lasers on a single turn. Moreso they are not the ones that come back to your hand for free every turn, so that means the consistency of your 6 lasers in hand is a bit lesser.
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>>558969583
Welp I did it for science
There was no 5*
Rip 20 rolls
Let this be a warning for newfags after me
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>>558969612
I was also struggling with e0 Serenial carry until I replaced Rei with the furry. Suddenly the fight got much easier with 2 guys doing damage.
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>>558970210
thank you for your service.
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>Ego 6 Rin
>Ego 2 Chizuru
I love big titty void women
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>Tippy feeling bad
>Tippy can't control her power of creation
>Tippy jokes that soon she might become nothing but a skellington
>compared to other agents, Tippy is already a skellington
>that's no good
>buy Tippy a DONUT
>Tippy fixed
>Tippy happy
Is it really that simple?
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>>558953749
apparently another order character that will buff order cards and cause debuff called shock which will deal fixed dmg each time you deal dmg with other sources, it gets increased if the enemy has shield
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i need her to come quicker
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>>558975243
>tits bigger than her head
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>>558942656
Why are you guys forgetting about Cassius, tons of morale and target draw, sustained once quest is active, and the shuffle draw 5 starts another turn of actions.
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Started this a few days ago and just got to lvl 30. How have my rolls been? Only one 5 star without pity.
Been quite liking the ballista girl and Mei Lin seems pretty strong too but can be hard to get going.
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Okay, time to farm save data!
>reroll tier 14(15) with doable penalties
>narja and veronica supports with plenty of unique options
>start run
>no option to remove 2 cards
Haha, that's alright, I'll just redo it.
>redo
>still no option
>redo
>still no option
>keep at it for a while
>finally start the map
>look for arena route with any stores on the way there and as many events as possible
>go all the way to the boss without triggering the epiphany i want to copy
Haha, that's alright, I'll just redo it... again...
>beat the boss for the gibs
>leave map
>enter map again
>no 2 remove option
>keep at it until it shows up
>get the card i want to epiphany early on
>get some nice gear and arena buff
>all of narja and veronica's epiphanies are the non-unique variety
>beat boss and the option isn't the one card i want to copy
Haha, that's alright, I'll just... do... it again.... yes...
>leave map
>enter start it again
>no option to remove 2 cards available
>redo a bunch of times
>everything's going good this time around
>unique epiphanies on narja and veronica
>got the card i want to epiphany
>gear is kinda mid
>beat boss
>copy the right card
>finally interior! imagine my shock!
>go all the way to the boss
>it's the 4th time my characters are having a melty
>2 have a nuclear meltdown at last boss
>game over
Hahaha.... hahahhaha.... hahahahahhaha... okay....hahahah... enough for today... I had too much fun already.
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>>558969612
Was able to 2 turn with this, probably 1 turn easily if I wanted to savescum for a good opening.
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>>558976556
Thanks for the tip. I've been running mei lin and veronica with Maribreasts mostly.
I got 4 Amirs can I do anything with her maybe in place of nine?
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Really? Good to hear.
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>>558975486
Willing to have my mind changed, but spore on Mei Lin sounds like a meme. You'd need to either hold for several turns or have Beryl/Orlea trigger retain to gen spores, or you can just have Veronica spam Repose to add to Spire after Rei exhausts her whole deck and kill whatever you're farming in one turn.
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>>558976774
trying to build selena, drone bombardment didn't pop till final boss
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>>558977209
They really need to fix this. When you take into account that you gotta make 6 decks at the very least, it becomes a monumental waste of time. The messenger should always have a type of card removal option available, preferably the best one, and when you obtain the initial epiphany you should be able to select one of the characters to choose the exact one you want instead of 3 random ones. That would significantly improve just about everything since meditation is now in the game. Also meditation shouldn't present generic options and it should also exclude epiphanies that were already presented or obtained.
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>>558977117
amir was good in season 1 because nia could get a lot of AP for her, tiph could probably do the same this season? you go this build but you need a narja to help her with shields/defense based dmg
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>>558977117
Either build this >>558977810 1TK memedeck or the multihit/vuln one. Narja is absolutely mandatory for the former, and highly recommended for the latter.
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>>558977810
I'm going to ask since I've never played Amir so I understand her abilities better.
Metallization makes it so that whenever you gain shield, amir does an attack, right? Then it decreases metallize by 1 iirc? Meaning that you want to stack it up before you proc. The idea here is playing full metal hurricane a million times, then gaining shield, and amir obliterating everyone.
So, as long as the shield gain comes from a card, it doesn't matter whose card it is. You could for example play her with Tiph and spam 0 cost gain shield poopoo crappy cards and get blapping. But if I get it, with that deck even if you play all cards in the same turn, you'll add up to 13x5 attacks (which admitedly are a lot) but are then restricted to 3 attacks per turn. I suppose it's more of an otk deck or something.
If you wanted to AoE I guess one of the full metal hurricanes would ideallly be the one that says that metallizice attacks all enemies, but I suppose this one is for a single target like a boss.
Now, what is Iron Skin doing there? Is it there just because it says exhaust, or any particular reason? If anything it looks like it lowers your ceiling removing some of your metallization stacks.
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bro just look it up on youtube, there are tons of videos on her oneshoting everything with her combo
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i forgor to remove iron skin, you can also just delete it but yeah you're thinking correctly, i never really used amir myself but you stack metallization > use all her hurricanes > get narja's card that gives you shield like 5 times in small amounts or tiph's exhausts that give shield i guess > amir kills everything
it's not used a lot but if you are f2p and save all of your rolls i saw people say they use it since you get amir for free
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I remember seeing some videos from one guy when the game was brand new (the endgame content was the second basin) and nothing was figured out yet, he was the only dude in the general that understood how amir could be played and he fucking obliterated everything instantly. Never took the time to read her kit. Thanks.
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Only America, Japan and Indonesia still playing this game
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But the seasonal chaos has way less useful items on her. She can't make good use of the vuln mask. At best you get the really rare sword and crown drops for more crit stats, but those are far weaker than faggy crystal ball(specially strong on Narja teams) or whip. I don't think 4/8 extra kicks can compete with those huge % buffs.
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>>558980143
this shit is such a meme
as if OG AK could come close to Endfiend
literal braindead shit made by trannies
i believe that CZN isn'T doing too good tho
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>Haru banner made 6m, but it was not a full month
>End of Haru and Yuki banner (so mostly Yuki) made 10m
>Chizuru and Sereniel combined made 11m
>meanwhile Nine + Tiph made 3m
how can they even recover at this point, like nine and tiph made almost nothing and they are turbo shilling for them
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>>558980143
1. Redo the entire story and make it into a mind break time loop Lovecraftian horror/space opera with a dash of W40K.
2. Make save data farming more accessible and faster.
3. Add a TRUE roguelike/lite Chaos mode that's 10x as in depth of anything that exists now, expanding upon the divine modes in Zero System. This mode would feature a huge map with complete fog of war and ridiculous events and possibilities, such as obtaining other characters cards or merging them together, even multiple times, for obscene game breaking results. Same deal with bosses. Have the current Colossus boss dual wield two other bosses as weapons.
4. Add a more in depth VN type romance/buddy relationship system with optional nightmare fuel to the whole Trauma Code & Epione Center, where due to the time loop nature of the story, the SKK can pick options that are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and will have DIRE consequences, go down the "I don't give a fuck I just want to play, SKIP, SKIP, SKIP" route, or alternatively the lovey-dovey one with R17 fanservice levels and plenty of innuendos.
5. Fix the pricing so that it's at the level of 1 pull per dollar if not better.
6. Add a selector to the standard banner so it's not RNG YOLO bullshit.
7. More BGM and options to choose whichever you want for the various menu screens.
8. The other promised systems, including the corruption mode and whatever it entails (I'd tie it in with time loop and picking the wrong options with copious amounts of mental breakdowns and steering them into the wrong direction, knowing fully well that it ultimately doesn't matter because a reset is always possible in the end.
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you can barely touch nikke and you still get
>decent story
>good music
>10% of designs are non ai and look okay
so people are more likely to keep it as a 2nd idle game
whereas this game requires 24/7 second job committment and you get what? homos, furries, censorship, shitty story and ai
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>>558980143
>only 100k more than no content the game
holy KEK
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1) Yes, i still believe this is the biggest problem of the game currently followed by 3, 3 Is the bigger problem long term.
2) No
3) Yes please, this is badly needed mid to long term.
4) Yes
5) Yes, need better packs.
6) Don't care about that.
7) YES why the fuck do we have 120 OST TRACHS IF THE CHAOS HAS THE SAME AS EVEN?
THIS SEASON EVEN GOT NEW TRACKS WHY ARE THEY NOT IN THE FUCKING SEASONAL CHAOS SMILEGOOK IT IS ONE LINE OF CODE.
8) Yes, game needs more social systems.
add:
9) New gear system, I would be fine with something like the gear system from Endfield. Perfect stats/gear for characters like partners are currently but the upgrades are hard to do or get.
10) This is very subjective but i would prefer weapons over partners. I don't like the idea of wasted designs/live 2Ds.
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Small chest bros...
Tiphera might be the only one we get for a while
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>>558983408
its sad because CZN's gameplay takes a massive shit on Limbus' but the latter has such an infinitely better story setting characters etc.
those are what sell first and foremost
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>>558982386
this game has no revenue model. i've said it for months but there is nothing pushing you to spend money you get everything for free and everything you can buy sucks. if you play another gacha sometimes you feel temptation to spend money on something. has literally never happened for me in this game.
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>>558983408
Everything is always about the plot. One Piss wouldn't be so popular otherwise. They really fucked up with the whole writer bullying fiasco.
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>>558983990
They mostly use Extreme but I saw Flash too from time to time.
>>558984028
True for normal games but not for gacha
In gacha you roll and spend money for characters. If you have no attachments to them then who cares about rolling?
In fact Rita might have a chance since she was teased a lot and people like her
The reason why people spend billions in Mihoyo games is because they hype them up so badly (think about the Archons in Genshin)
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>>558983942
You can't. The gooks are entirely desensitized to gachage due to the number of games that get released in the country and the nature of their oppressive status focused society. Technically you could get them on board but only if you made the game R18 and added waifu rape NTR PVP.
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>>558983951
CZN mistake was targeting (you) non gacha addict who have no problem not pulling max dupes and abandoning their home country (KR).
Everyone in the top 10 of that meme revenue have strong community in their own country.
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>>558984028
Gachafags don’t care about gameplay, it’s why non-games like hoyo-slop make so much money. As long as they get their pretty characters, and the intermittent rush of gambling for them, they’re happy and will shower the devs with cash.
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Is Rin good? I took her into chapter 2 battles and promotion, without save data admittedly, and she didn't feel that special. Should I bring Rei or Selena along with Tressa and Beryl, I want those two to be my mainstay.
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>>558983816
they have powercreep/fomo stuff but it's doing horribly so far.
Nine and Tiph combined not making even a third of Yuki banner is just hilarious, what are they even doing with hard shilling these 2 and designing everything in the game around them.
Either someone is sabotaging them from the inside of they are completely retarded.
At least shill a but the s1 chars a bit who actually made money instead of the zzz reject and the pedobait, make some skins for them for easy money?
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I mean I am totally willing to spend money. I have so little self-respect that i've spent hundreds of dollars on morimens in the past few months because spending money is fun there. there are things to buy and systems that reward you in lots of ways for pulling duplicates and characters are designed so they are cucked and suck ass without dupes. czn there is just no reason to spend money, you're given 80 pulls per month then are able to buy ten pulls for $15 and also you never need pulls.
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>>558980143
hot take but i believe this is a good thing. we DON'T want revenue from gachafags. they're idiots with shit taste. the sooner they leave and jump on the newest fotm ship the better. feedback from a smaller and more gameplay focused community will be more valuable and devs listening to that feedback is overall better for long term health. "oh no we're not one of the highest grossing games on the market" who gives a shit. income in no way reflects game quality. even with the budget as high as its been new combatants still come out with 2 animations and 3 voice lines. clearly the money isn't necessary.
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>>558985070
Did my post say "popular = good"?
However:
Popular = revenue
CZN = becoming unpopular
Becoming unpopular because:
bad balancing + gameplay is not suited for the gacha model
Unremarkable characters
Unremarkable story
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>>558984418
Rin is ok, but she's rough to use in chaos. Tressa is pretty bad in chaos too though. I would take Rei over Selena, but you'll probably need to build Mika to clear higher level chaos. Beryl is your best damage dealer for save data modes.
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Weird how I unlocked an endgame mode (at level 30) that requires 2 teams before I'm allowed to access the patch event (at level 35). I've got a little more grinding to do.
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Guys our concernposting will shy away the newcuties...
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>>558985817
https://www.udemy.com/course/articulation-unleashed-speak-with-precisi on-and-clarity/
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>>558985289
how is it cope? if you disagree with me then that means what, you want devs to chase genshitards? do you think czn would be better if they just keep changing things to make it more like a mihoyo title? because personally ive played those games and the less similar a game is from those the better
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https://learningcenter.unc.edu/tips-and-tools/reading-comprehension-ti ps/
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>>558986079
this game needs to make money when it does a good job or else it can't keep doing a good job. I liked this season, I think it's really good, but like everyone else I pulled Tiphera E0 and Nine E0 with free pulls and they made $0 for their trouble.
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>post made up numbers in non-combined revenue
>concernfags crawl out of the woodwork
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>>558984418
rin is good hildbwo, but she's mostly a singletarget/otk kind of character whose best build is multihits, except this season is all about single big hits so she's not the best pick right now
though i'm pretty sure i saw 9/9 nebula clears with her this season, just not first turn kills
out of your current roster beryl would be the best pick to build since she effortlessly stomps pretty much all content once you get her build done
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>>558986319
it needs to make some money, it doesn't need to make all the money in the world. honda doesn't make as much money as toyota but that doesn't mean they stopped making cars altogether. you can still be successful without being the most successful thing on the planet. some of you guys sound like you're ceos who think infinite growth is possible and the line on the chart must always be going up. a roguelike deckbuilder was never going to have to same mainstream appeal as the next leading 3rd person arpg. trying to match revenue with one was a fools errand
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I don’t really get it but the position in the ranks and revenue seems good to me
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>>558987720
Crown. A Nikke whose superpower is basically a naked robe
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>>558986621
Appreciate it
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>>558987365
This shit is completely worthless if you can't fuck and breed them
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>>558987585
I agree on the issues. Though this is basically the only gacha I spent money in the last six months. And I’m addicted to a lot of them so I think it counts for something.
>>558987904
Nikke is in a weird position the way I see it. I don’t fully understand what’s going on behind its scenes cause it’s like the writers are divided between the pro-fanservice ones and complete retards too.
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I can’t pinpoint the problen really. I feel CZN, aside the writing issues and all that are already scheduled to be dealt with, lack “something” to do.
I farm decks, I explore Chaos weekly, I play it… yet it’s like there isn’t quite the thing to use it beyond the raid. I think aside the weird packages they copied from Mihoyo there could be something else to do too
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Speaking of which, do you guys have any tipa for the Part 1 of the boss? I’m intending to do a Nine Extreme deck for Part 2 but my Sereniel can’t really deal with Part 1 as I did with Haku. Tips would be welcome.
I also have all units released so far, most at E0 though.
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You know that was actually my biggest turn-off. I thought they were more bio than mechanical.
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>>558988890
Target the hand on the right side of the screen first. If you attack the left, right side gets ramping damage. Also getting lots of draw makes killing faster, even if you are just using sereniel's returning missiles.
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>censor narja, nine and tiphera
>add males and a fucking furry to the roster cause the game's discount genshin
>proceed to not release any new males past launch (what was the point of adding them?)
>main story's so putrid it's being reworked and there's no guaranteed it'll be better
>packs are too expensive for what they offer
>season pass is still underwhelming after being buffed
>can't interact with partners outside of combat
>9 fucking weeks per season
The nightmare continues.
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>>558990635
>packs are too expensive for what they offer
That's not a real reason from stopping someone spending $500k on gacha game.
Even anon from /fgo/ spend 50k just for 1 copy of character.
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>>558988890
See here for some tips
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>went to sleep at top 15%
>woke up at top 10%
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Wow thanks. I see Sereniel is focusing on the cards with most damage and Cassius draws them
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>>558992639
Thanks but I don't interact with the rift. Didn't touch it last time, not touching it now and I won't touch it in the future.
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>>558995520
>claims it's a whale mode
>gets disproven instantly
>these responses
Not sure what I expected kek
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>>558996105
BiS for the flash build, since it costs 0 by the time you play it. Rank 3 guy actually has the foggy ball effect on his hammer which is pretty crazy.
>>558996220
t. schizo
>>558996428
We play it because it's fun Anon. Surely you aren't one of those people who thinks playing a game is a chore?
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>>558996428
it doesn't have anything to do with the leaderboard. it's about having a goal. i've been grinding decks and improving my strategy and i've gotten my first half kill down to 5 turns. now i'm working on the back half to figure out how to consistently take down the arms and hit the head with a lv5 hew.
without the rift, do you just spam chaos runs for no reason? i mean i get it's a roguelike and replayability is a core component but chaos is simply not diverse enough or even... good enough to just play for the sake of playing like sts or balatro is
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>>558996728
>We play it because it's fun Anon. Surely you aren't one of those people who thinks playing a game is a chore?
I don't know how you can find a game mode based around stifling varied builds is fun, when the devs go out of their way to ensure almost no choice is even allowed to properly fight a challenge, how is that interesting? I could understand if they did something like hide the rift decks and not have so many limiting mechanics, but as is now they don't even leave room for more skill expression with deck building. And hell I don't think many players are interested in trying more elaborate and complex decks, almost no one here seems to have tried to Haru or Kayron the boss, even if they create far more involved decks than Nine.
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But if Chaos isn't good enough yet to justify playing compared to regular games(I agree) neither is Rift compared to a constructed card game. Whenever the top deck in any card game occupies something like 80%+ of the field, their entire playerbase(and even people outside) rightfully treat that format as a laughing stock and that is the only kind of rift we've ever had since the game started and likely the only kind we will ever have.
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>>558998598
there's also a fatty set https://kemono.cr/patreon/user/59428488/post/146779175
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>>558998363
>ai slop on patron
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>>558998963
bro you have no idea
this guy makes 5k+ per month
https://www.patreon.com/cw/MiyuAi/home?utm_source=campaign-search-resu lts
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I dunno Anon, there seems to be a lot of choice to me. Kayron is (or was) at the top of Asia ladder. Beryl is still completely viable in Master. The top 3 decks on global are all using completely different strategies.
I'd love to try Haru or Kayron, but I don't have them unfortunately.
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>>558999165
>I make 200-400 pictures everyday
fucking how, does this fatass just sits on his pc all day making ai slop? or does he have like 10 different pcs doing this shit?
>5k per month
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>>559000312
He probably has all prompts set up and just changes the character lora and modifies 1/2 prompts when he feels like it.
>1.1k paid members
Membership start at 4.5€ and the expensive ones are sold out
In dollar he makes closer to 10k i guess?
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>lose 50 on tiphera
>get E2 renoa
I'm actually happy about this. I gave her some new frags and she's at 58/190 crit now
I also got Rin from the standard banner, is she any good at e0?
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>is she any good at e0?
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>>559004631
I am the guy from the post above and I literally dont have a single divine in any deck on any character. I am too lazy to hunt for divines when making a deck. Also all my fragments I only aim for the right mainstat and not substat cus again I am too lazy to minmax
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>nine E1 from standard banner
That's pretty nice but I'm TIRED of getting DUPES
I'm still missing Renoa/Orlea/Magna/Yuki/Chizuru/Narja and literally everybody else got one or more dupes already
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Are they going to double down on the lewdness or walk it back?
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>>558983686
limbus is 99% just coasting on the previous games reputation, story and fans
the latest canto was 90% clapbait, hype moments and aura
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>limbshit
>better story
>better characters
Go back to your feminazi miseryporn slop, xister.
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Does 'allies' include the combatant using it and is this bis for spore beryl?
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Nine's banner didn't make much either and her tits are some of the fattest in game
And she's showing them off more than anybody else (but Sereniel) in her lobby...
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>before owen drama :look at this owen,every woman fucks him and btw no one realizes you exists and you are retarded as fuck
>limbshit before gender war drama: dante,you need to kill yourself
>after owen drama: mc breathes and every whores moan
limbshit after gender war drama:dante,you need to kill yourself
ofc cuckzn faggots hate limbshit,it has good story
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>>559007890
everyone hates limbshit and everyone hates project moon except for the few literal homosexuals who still play it. holy shit just give it up already we all know about it and nobody will ever be interested.
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you've not only mindraped yourself into thinking lobotomy corp is a worthwhile use of time, you've fallen so deep into online communities that you force yourself to play limbus out of gratitude for the gift of lobotomy corp. just stop.
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>>559008929
I don't even play limbus lmao. Just making fun of an autist having a tard rage. You're clearly massively projecting and taking out your frustrations on something you don't even understand though. Ironic you complain about time wasting while posting in a general for a gacha that asks for more time from you than almost any other.
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>Why would I care about revenue? Not my problem
Why would Smilegook keep the game alive if it doesn't make money?
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I don't hate project moon but I hate the fandom, they are a bunch of self entitle faggots.
I remember the first time I saw one of the characters I remark that it looked liked it came straight out of salad fingers and they had an absolute melty.
idk why the fuck all the characters are so poorly drawn.
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I was wondering what people meant by undoing stuff
You have to click the little hourglass.
I get it now.
Day 1 player btw.
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>>559009861
epic7 might make more money than czn really quickly, with how fast this game revenue is crashing.
Smilegate might be considering cutting their losses and only update czn for a few months then dropping it to make new games since czn is hard flopping
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>>559015152
With the buffs and ways they're designing bosses it seems there is no way to break this trend. It's not enough to have the boss punish multihits by hitting you every turn. Just that is already enough to stop a Sereniel/Mei Lin/Luke or any other multihit team on its tracks. THEN we buff exhaust order and instinct attack cards. THEN we also make it get fortitude per hit. THEN we also remove the tenacity bar. THEN the face also stops being targetable after a single attack.
I imagine that with a few more days the variety of usable characters at the top will be even lower and they might even look at outliers like Beryl and Kayron and break their knees for the second half just like they did with Tressa and Mei Lin in S1 so you don't even consider running them over Rita.
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>>559015552
If it comes back to your hand often it's the most no-brainer pick
>>559016009
>paying attention to drama
What are you, a woman? Install the damn game and form your own opinion
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>>559016009
>Nine and Tiph censorship
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>>559016751
>yuki counseling story onion scene controversy
>kalife counseling story controversy over depiction of cannibalism
huh?
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>>559016751
I remember something about the story being rewritten, was it already? I mostly asked because of that, thanks for the replies btw
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>>559016561
Why are some PNGs pixelated in this game?
For example the character chibis are not pixelated but some monster models are even though they're both the on-field mini figures.
And then the character animation when preparing to cast like in this screenshot is pixelated, but the Mission Endscreen one isn't.
Do they literally forget to scale these up for PC or is my client fucked?
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>log in
>grab monthly rolls from the shop
hawt times
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>>559017641
So the game had a base story thats mostly been scrapped. Its still there, but nothing is really happening on that plot thread.
Since then, each season has had its own story thats mostly been contained.
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>>559017281
IIRC Something about shoving an onion into yuki's mouth and then eating it to shock her, but the scene was apparently lifted right from a boys love manga or eroge, or something, and as for kalipe, she bites the captain, or something.
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>>559017281
When Yuki cried and protos put onion inside her mouth.
Turnout that's big meme in Korea that originated from BL Yaoi story the conclusion whoever write it is huge feminists.
And the other one involving Khalipe biting Protos hand and once again it's related to Yaoi BL trope.
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>>559018080
korea really is fucked huh?
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>>559018304
Imagine gamergate but it's the whole government and society
Of course they're fucked up.
A month ago huge fight happened between Korean and SEA did you know what happened next?
Korean male siding with SEA to shit on Korean female.
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>>559018492
I never played that but I suppose.
Each season lasts ~63 days so thats 3 characters, and the plot of each season usually centers around those 3 and them interacting with the main cast.
We also get occasional character quests, like most recently focusing on narja, that are centered on them and their interactions with the cast.
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>>559018861
Thanks again for entertaining my questions so far,
Will give this game a look since It looks visually very interesting.
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>>559017908
>scrapped
So I can just safely skip through the main story? I don't want to read it if it's getting entirely redone.
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>>559019171
Yeah turnout the main story never happened, you the Protos got killed in planet blue pot and then unlock your groundhog days/re:zero ability.
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>>559019171
the story has acts now
Act 1 is being rewritten
Act 2 is the story from the first season which is canon
Act 3 will be Burning Life
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>>559019171
I’d day Prologue~Chapter 2 or so. It’s when you try to find Orlea’s prophecy book that the story takes a nosedive.
While Yuki’s Event (now Arc 2) and Nine’s event are better, they do callbacks to Judas’ actions which means you’d lack some context
That “Arc 1” is scheduled to be rewritten though. And the original vision from the Cthulhu Isekai guy (that is now a Blue Archive writer) is intended to ve implemented in Chaos. Not sure if the Deity variants are that
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Damn, Sekred's meadow is pretty.
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>>559020509
So to recap our arcs we have:
>Arc 1: The church fanatic is evil
>Arc 2: The evil corporation is evil
>Arc 3: The slavers are evil
People need to be angrier about us getting a grand tour of animeslop plot arcs. We're never getting cosmic horror so long as whichever writer loves this shit is still holding the reigns. I guess they're banking on the fact that gacha players won't care so long as every female fawns over the MC.
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If I get Lab 0 in the Zero Codex, would I be able to get the Dimensional Tunnel/Forbidden Cards from there? Or are they lost forever?
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>>559021524
im pretty sure they are gone forever. Or until they decide to bring them back for some reason or another.
>>559021596
Season 1 is act 2.
Act 1 is the plot thats being rewritten.
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>>559021524
You can get the tunnel in Lab, yes
Not sure if it has the cards
>>559021596
Yes, yes, yes
No fomo
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Oh boy
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>>559021420
>We're never getting cosmic horror so long as whichever writer loves this shit is still holding the reigns
Anon the fucking director is in charge of it.
He is copying HSR space opera because that's what the market want that's why he said the game is Mihoyo clone but 30% cheaper.
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>took advice from here farming decks
>still took like 7~8 turns to beat Part 1
>Part 2 I only managed to get a single hit in the Colossus
>also I burned all of Orlea’s Swifties and Nine critted
>I legit got lucky but I’m unsure this was a good idea. Maybe I should have saved the Swifties and try to get another shot at h-
>battle ends cause I only had 7 turns here from my performance in Part 1
>got ranked as Master
Holy shit!
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>>559022189
I’m definitely not getting as high again. And I’m in no rush either.
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>>559021752
I see, thanks for patiently answering my questions, the girls looks so cute and the visuals overall look very cool.
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>>559022103
I can't tell if you're defending their decision or just doomposting about how dumb it is.
Honestly though your point doesn't even make sense to me. How is Arc 2 a space opera? It's just a hyper generic "Evil corporation experiments on the bad thing" plotline. If anything it's microwaved Resident Evil.
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>>559023145
Clearly a mouse.
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I’m starting to understand why you don’t mess with Marshalls of the Empire. What the fuck is she making me do
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>>559022230
Unless I'm misunderstanding, the sales figures posted in this thread >>558980801
make it seem like the KR revenue barely matters if they could trade it for a bigger % of any other demographic. I guess being a Korean company makes that harder to stomach though.
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finally found the black fucker, time to die
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>>559015152
Typical hopejeet.
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/557087162/#q557266046
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>>559024332
Some Divines are lost due to their nature but this one should remain.
IIRC it’s the ones with overlapping boons (as in, a card with Draw can’t keep a Draw 1 Divine. But weird ones like Veronica “Draw of someone else” would because it’s a different draw)
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damn it even changes from reduce cost to 1AP if the cost reduction doesn't fit, check the tac maneuver
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>>559026874
don't think that's necessary she is ver willing
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>>559024502
Sorry... smilegook forced my hand
And I had to kill the normal one too...
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>>559027616
At least there's racial equality in the massacre
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SHIIIEEEEETTT
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>>558986871
>you guys sound like you're ceos who think infinite growth is possible
It's amazing how so many retards have convinced themselves it's not despite the economy continuing to grow year after year. Socialists live completely separated from evidence.
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Finally done with RE9.
Back to the grind.
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>>559028697
Again you live completely divorced from reality in some retarded theoryland. 80% of the economy is services and we're nowhere near using the capacity of the planet. Start talking about growth being "impossible" when growth stops being ubiquitous.
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We won.
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>divide between classes
Moron we're talking about the performance of a company not class warfare shit. Even the discussion of resources is mostly irrelevant because there's always growth at the expense of other companies i.e. competition.
It's simple. If you're going to invest in a company, you expect to get more money at the end of the investment period than you put in. Expecting growth is fundamental to the entire process. People who complain about this want, what, free money for CEOs to waste on vanity projects? It's all so fucking stupid.
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>>559030073
>growth at the expense of other companies i.e. competition.
But that's the thing, Smilegate's not even in the same ballpark as other gacha games. It's in the "famous but not mijewyo/kuso games/delightworks jews/n*xon/yoshitar level" bracket. They can't really break into those markets to make more money since none of their games are in the same genre and I sure hope it stays that way because holy fuck they're all terrible.
I'm not even the same anon you're arguing with but my opinion is that they need to shill their games more, their advertising department is lacking if every new season isn't shilled.
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>>559030969
Pee is stored in the balls
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>>559028572
it's literally, objectively, demonstrably not possible. if it was then eventually every single person on the planet would be spending every single dollar they had on czn. that obviously won't happen. the sooner you accept that there's a ceiling, the sooner you can find the ceiling and learn how to operate below it. this game can only ever attract a finite amount of players. those players can only ever spend a finite amount of money. infinite growth is therefore impossible. and this is true of every single product in every single industry.
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>>559029358
I'm not exactly sure what kind of time travel plotline they're going to pull with Rita, but it's looking like she might be the first banner character to join the main crew. I wonder if that would be part of the rewrite.
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>>559031092
It's literally happening every year you moron.
>if it was then eventually every single person on the planet would be spending every single dollar they had on czn
No, because the economy as a whole also grows. You have this tiny little mathematically inept brain and no education on the topic, yet you feel the need to tell everyone else how things work.
>>559031021
I'm not trying to argue that Smilegate is growing, I'm just pushing back on this "hurr durr infinite growth is impossible we need a gift economy where's my UBI" garbage that always gets thrown around by certain faggots.
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>>559031949
Probably that Colossus nigger in arena, you need to unlock it here first
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>>559032243
This shit is /biz/, get it right jackass
>>559031545
>I'm just pushing back on this "hurr durr infinite growth is impossible we need a gift economy where's my UBI" garbage that always gets thrown around by certain faggots.
I don't agree that infinite growth is possible but I do think UBI beggars need to be shot
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>everyone was so occupied with asking if they could no one ever thought to ask if they should
Humans will infinitely streamline all the fun out of life and eventually we'll commit global suicide because we have nothing left to live for because we've only been chasing mammon.
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>the slightest shred of evidence that growth is slowing
uhh
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>>558915994
I did not realize the forge option at the end of a chaos run adds faint memory. Lost a dupe, such a shame. Really just need to grind chaos more and get the QoL changes from the upgrades.
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>wanted to do a Beryl run to finally get a save with Spore Harvester
>get this Narja epiphany
Man...
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>>559034161
Yeah I'm sure gooks have one of the highest suicide rates because of streamlining fun out of life and not because they live in a dystopian cyberpunk society without the future tech chasing infinite growth.
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lol funny build
OTKs the 1st phase in Rift
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I want to like Tiph.... but her gimmick seems like it's missing something.
All of her Archtypes and epipis are far too focused on specifically the Archtype cards and don't work alongside her Creation & Destruction and any other agent.
Like sick you can draw 100 times and get 10000 AP, but she doesn't draw any of her other cards or anyone elses! So you still need to run her with draw or you need to pray for divines.
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>>559036449
I'm gonna try slotting in more neutral cards with her like Ebony Lumen, Reorganize, and Gear Bage. I feel like there's a lot of options to fix her lack of draw power as long as you've got the memory for it.
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>>559036449
she's probably the most complicated character to build
on a generalist build you'd want seed that activates retain with divine draw + retain that draws archetype
on kayron support you'd want the exhaust instead but i'm not sure what seed to pick there because you don't want just to exhaust, you also want to stack the damage buff a lot
and then if you build her as a dps it's another different thing
but yes she's got a similar problem as mika where you can't make a slim fully cycling deck without divine draw and that's annoying
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>>559040278
I doubt it'll take long. If you have those tears for extra energy they are fine to use. They are handed out quite often.
Make sure you've done all the story and simulation missions. They give a ton of exp.
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>>559041871
Its hard to say since so much has changed since I've done it.
Id prioritize leveling mats to make sure you can keep two teams at the level cap, as well as their partners.
Try and grab a few relics as well. Nothing crazy though.
After that, yeah probably potential.
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finally got her, how good is cassius though? im 1 away from full E6
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>>559041871
Yeah, Potential and promotions materials. Pretty sure you're locked out of Memory Fragments for now. They're important, but also kinda fucking miserable to farm from scratch. Better to put those off until you have enough clogging up your inventory that you can go, "This is good, this is good, I gotta replace this one." You'll get tons of EXP and units from clearing the battle missions, so you shouldn't need spend stamina on that yet.
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>we promised to remove male that could cause same incident
>still putting owen in s1 and s2
these retarded gook niggers never learn.
their s2 story is so shit and retarded it made me lose hope to story re writing
and we're 1 month away to that shit
the nightmare is still ongoing and owen rapes every creature thay has vagina while them glazes your mini cock in s3
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>>559034561
>wanted to do a Beryl run to finally get a save with Spore Harvester
Just so you know, Beryl spore build is only as good as the number of morale stacks you can build. Generic epiphanies are ironically goated because you need like 10 morale