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Fireplace Edition
>Latest patch:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/01-30-2026-update.102822/post- 207811
>Steam Page:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/
>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/
>How do I git in?
Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.
>How do I git gud?
Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.
Additional Resources:
>Unofficial Wiki
https://deadlock.wiki
>Collection of useful character builds
https://deadlockmeta.com/
>New Player Guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gN JQC_fMGMU/edit
>Advanced Movement Guide
https://www.dlmovement.wiki/
>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)
https://statlocker.gg/
https://tracklock.gg/
>Unofficial Competitive News
https://www.deadfrag.com/
>Unofficial Voiceline Viewer
https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/
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>>558993887
LoL is extremely streamlined. You're lucky if a champ can play more than a role without being considered a complete shitpick. Also everything is a stat check. 90% of the items are statsticks, upgrading abilities just give more stats. Very few creative champs outside of different flavors of skillshots and dashes.
Pure slop.
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my team has overfed victor again
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>>558993959
snussy
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>>558995082
where are the futa mods?
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>>558994887
gun + greens, stay back until you have ult, warp stone and/or phantom strike in and KILL. all gun items work on her ult slashes. pray the enemy team doesnt debuff you, if they do then debuff reducer > unstoppable. kevlar vest is also good on her
note that you have to actually aim on this hero if you dont want to be useless
you can manually activate your ult the moment the text for it appears, this can save your ass in a dicy situation
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>>558995082
Sorry, what was that?
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Sex with Billy
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Graves is at least 18 right? I hope Valve soon says both her and Apollo are like 19 or older. Otherwise it is weird.
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>>558996437
Apollo is directly said to be 18 and Graves shares a lab class with him so you can assume they're in the same school year unless you burgers do something completely different.
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>>558996824
Baxter Society lore
All members lose a hand and replace it with a prosthetic of some kind.
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is that like how the jews make you cut off your foreskin
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>>558997106
pretty much
>>558996437
shes realistically an adult because the esrb rating agency gets really mad over minors getting killed in video games
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>>558997470
That's not victor though?
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reminder
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>queue for streel brawl to try a hero i don't know how to play
>get put in the normal game
faggot retard game
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>>558998417
tall wolf mommy...
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I keep seeing the memes of Rem's stealing their teammates sinners and boxes but I my team never gets these and I don't wanna leave them hanging.
Is this just normal Oracle behavior
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>>558998990
shes a total petting sloot
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>play anything that isn't victor
>60 minutes defeat
>play victor
>40 minutes stomp win
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>>558999287
in my experience it reaches a point that it isn't that effective cus of jumpstart dispell and his damage just scales up with a proper build
in this match that i lost, i had toxic bullets, healbane and curse as graves and he still didn't die. he didn't do any damage (mystic regen, leech, infuser) but worked exceptionally as a tank while their team raped us because no one was doing damage
the biggest counter to victor is mobility. if he can't damage you he can't heal
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>>558999287
Extremely good. If you are a hero that can reliably proc it on him multiple times a fight then its useful into late game. It's much better than relying on decay since Vic gets an inuilt dispel to get rid of it, but healbane you can potentially just keep on him all the time
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fuck my stupid unemployed wokechudcel life...
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>>558995082
Sauce. Now.
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>yoink grave's ult 9 times
>she quits
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I'm thinking on getting that Graves model mod (you know which one). How safe are mods for Deadlock, and could any god tier anon provide a link for me, please?
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>>559000802
Completely safe for now, never heard anyone getting banned, unlikely to remain this way after the release tho.
https://mega.nz/file/LA8m1aiR#cscGnoi_T-WJvesaH4l7LgE9CRyzGczm_BQaWHi0 Y-U
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>>558999370
>silver wouldn't be a sub desu
WRONG
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I'm trying my best but fucking hell this is not trivial, and it's not even really limited to Lady Geist, she's just my latest problem
Maybe it's that my shooter instincts come more from playing Battlefield when I was younger and I'm trying to take potshots from ranges where my gun does literally no damage
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>>559001279
true, twitteroids can't separate fiction from reality
>>559001529
im pretty good at deadlock, i mean, oracle lol
but im god awful at CS, like im silver, the level of play is so high these days, it seems like even silvers can headshot constantly and hold corners well, its a way harder game for me lol
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this is how it feels to slowing hex mina
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>>559000802
I'm that anon and honestly your responses made me rethink my approach. I ain't gonna mod shit for this game, and just focus on gameplay. Thanks lads
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Geist is literally a better Graves in every single way, she just takes a miniscule more skill to play.
>her 1 is the best area denial tool in the game, and clears entire lanes in just one cast
>her 2 is massive sustain during a fight, and it does absurd damage to objectives, making it better than graves 4 at objective taking
>her 3 is damage amp for u and the entire team
>her 4 makes her unkillable solo and super safe compared to graves which dies the nanosecond she gets jumped
I literally solo end games by just pushing with Geist and deleting the base with my 1 and 2, Graves cannot even properly take walkers by herself.
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>>559002283
>he let twitter sjws tell him what to think
bad move m8... even though personally I don't mod
though it can't get you banned, valve has basically allowed it, at least for the test period
after release you 100% won't be able to mod
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>>558997976
>you became immortal during the regen so a 1 health pocket could stall for like 20 seconds whilst sitting at 1 health
If there's one thing I'm glad is gone for good from the old shop it's barrier builds. They nerfed them like 20 times and they were still the best thing you could build until they just reworked the shop.
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>after release you 100% won't be able to mod
maybe we will, Valve doesn't intentionally anti mod their games, they're just built on frameworks that don't have enough client side freedom for modding. Deadlock though is pretty moddable at its core, so they might not do anything to curb that as it would take a lot of work
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>cheating subhuman wraith in my game
>check his profile
>new steam account
>profile picture is pic related
Kill yourself you fucking disgusting third world pajeet subhuman if any of you see this person in your game make sure to report
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199813275856
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>>558999287
Best anti heal against victor alongside crippling headshot.
But the actual counters to victor is silencer, silencing wave and curse.
Read the passive on silencer, it reduces outgoing spirit damage by 25% AND silences him, and silences are how you counter victor.
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And as anon here says his biggest counter is stamina. I've been thinking about building stamina mastery instead of enduring speed on victor but I'm not entirely sure yet.
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>>559002770
dota 2 and cs go/cs2 are very hard to mod because they're both built on layers upon layers of past projects that make them really hard to mod, their multiplayer framework is very fudged into working. And even then both do still have some mods
Deadlock isn't like that, its much more simple and that's partly why its super easy to change character models and other stuff.
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I'm convinced that I will never be good at this game, I have 400 hours played and yet I never carry, I end up being carried, even if I play a carry character like Haze I end up behind on souls even if I kill the waves and camps and barely get any kills
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>play fun characters but have the outcome of a match being completely out of your hands
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>play shitty boring hyper carries that make you farm camps all game to have a chance of winning the game for your negative iq retard teammates
which way solo queue man
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>>559003357
The guardians and walkers need major buffs. Right now they're literally incapable of keeping you safe even if the enemy is feeding their ass off. They just deal no damage and their targeting sucks ass.
What's even the point of structuring the game around laning phases if the enemy can just walk into your tower and kill you with 0 consequences?
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>try to play carry and buy pure damage
>can't seem to kill anybody before they blow me up
>bite the bullet and play more supporty, buying only counter items and greens
>never die and rack up kills
Am I stupid or what? How come all the top builds have mostly damage and buying 1 green like counterspell and those guys live forever
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>>558999139
when it works, sure, but matchmaking is a cruel and fickle whore. had one last night where my entire team was extremely new but the enemy team was all serial rapists. lanes gaped and pushed, jungle depopulated, team constantly dead because they kept trying to teamfight midboss and urn while I'm trying to fucking farm, and before I knew it I was a perpetually solo victor who couldn't farm. it was a relatively quick match but a very painful one
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Tier 1 and Tier 2 turrets being ineffective are the death of mobas. League became completely unplayable when they nerfed turrets into the ground while also making it easy for every champ in the game to survive under the enemy tower. If Deadlock keeps being like this, it has no longevity. You can't force people into a 3 lane structure and then make towers worthless.
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>How come all the top builds have mostly damage and buying 1 green like counterspell and those guys live forever
They're made by pros who know literally everything about the game and how to avoid shit, noobs try these builds, turn on autoqueue and autobuy, and get cooked
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>>559003769
i started doing my own builds with annotations. a lot of the public ones are retarded memey names and have a strange purchasing order, very few are actually useful
there are certain things you will always buy due to being core to the character, but there's a lot of context that needs to be taken that these builds lack to provide
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How the FUCK do I play Vindicta now that she isn't a glorified pos 4 anymore
>hurr get weapon damage %
she needs so much shit to be viable that this doesn't matter until late, and for this whole time you haven't been benefited from printing souls with ult, she can't farm for shit
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>>559004385
I don't know why you'd never buy fortitude at the very least, that's one of my favorite items in the game. Regeneration, health, move speed when you're healthy to promote roaming, it's my GOAT on Doorman
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>move speed
That's the issue here.
Remember, a lot of the builds are made by the E6 hyper sweatlords that don't walk anywhere.
You can get from yellow lane to green lane in 30 seconds without walking only jumping, bouncing and strafing.
What works for you might not work for them and vice versa.
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Yurilock
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Silver!
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>Do nothing but farm all the creeps i can see in my sight, lane creeps first, and all the neutural camps that happen to be inbetween
>Still one of, if not the poorest faggot in the game
I genuinely dont understand what am i doing wrong, i;ve played dota for like a thousand hours and have the same issue there, but atleast i can go pos5-4, here it feels like every character needs to farm in order to not fall back drastically
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>numbers still going strong
why aren't people quitting bros everyone said that people will quit why are people having fun
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>>559006141
they need to do a full model revamp pass on all the fucked up shit like sinclair, vyper, viscous, gray talon etc. and go through minor touchups on older ones such as abrams, dynamo etc. as soon as possible
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>>559004190
The towers are perfect in DL. Good enough to punish early aggression but won't overstay their welcome. The ABSOLUTE worst feeling in LoL is falling behind and being forced into a 10 minutes unwinnable laning phase. The most cucked experience I ever experienced in a game.
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newbro here, just started and have a few questions
>do last hits matter
>how do you sustain in lane early on
>any trick to leveling? the rate seems almost random
>should i be picking up boxes
>seems like early kills are worthless?
>anything critical i should be doing?
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>mina uses rake
>can you just cum, please?
1930's phrases were really weird...
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>>559003760
You are supposed to protect the towers.
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hot........
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>>559006547
the walkers give you resists when you are defending them.
if you kill the troopers attacking the walker they will actually defend you, the trick to actually using them is to kill the fucking troopers before even thinking about plinking at enemies.
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>>559006537
>>do last hits matter
yes
>>how do you sustain in lane early on
sustain items and killing enemy healing troopers
>>should i be picking up boxes
yes
>>seems like early kills are worthless?
no, they can be the start of a brutal snowball
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>>559006537
1. no
2. some tier 1 items and or skills combined with avoiding fire
3. hit the orbs that escape your little fellas, break nearby boxes and jungle
4. absolutely not they can help you get ahead
5. learn to schmove and navigate the map
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>>559006537
killing laners by itself doesn't give you much but it stops them from farming, there's this mechanic that gives you extra stats if you spend a certain amount of money in a type of item so even being 1.5k behind can be brutal if you use it wisely, and levels are also tied to souls so that could also mean a power spike like an ultimate on top of extra stats and other spikes like getting that busted ability to max rank
the best thing you can learn early on is how to make use of your downtime like when waiting for the next wave, you'll always have 10~20k souls on everyone else constantly teamfighting mid lane even if your kd doesn't show it
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Okay so last hitting is like this:
When a creep dies it drops souls, some on the ground which are automatically picked up if you're nearby, some float up into the air
After floating up into the air for a moment, the souls are automatically collected by nearby heroes
HOWEVER
Those green soul orbs appear orange to your enemy
If they shoot your soul orbs, they steal the souls, "denying" you
You can prevent them from denying you by shooting the green soul orbs, but if they don't shoot them, you'll get the souls anyway
A couple of notes: Souls are automatically shared with nearby heroes, so there's no lane farm priority bullshit like Dota
Also, you're expected to push waves fairly aggressively, so just shoot that shit
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>Don't get my main
>Run it down 0/10
>Get my main
>Win
Its as shrimple as that.Seriously though why did I get laned against a obvious onetrick with a hero I have less than 10 games on.
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>>559008404
gaming fatigue is a myth, difficulty scaring players is a myth, most games are simply not good enough to interest people, if it's too similar to everything else that's called being unoriginal not hero shooter fatigue, one thing I never liked about hero shooters is how it's basically just a TDM with some dressing, deadlock is different
if sony can't break 2 million units on their only exclusive for the year with 100 million ps5s out there it's not because too many good games came out or a game from a completely different genre just released, the game just isn't good enough
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>orbs
jesus christ whats the point of this overcomplicated bullshit
none of this was even mentioned in the tutorial
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>>559010151
people unironically desire complexity, you can make a babymode game that any retard can pick up and have fun, but that wont hold their attention for long
now a game with builds, complex mechanics, and things to sink time into and actually learn
that's something that can hold people
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>>559010582
with Abrams?
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>>559009640
that's just how it is, you'll always end up bumping into a one-trick eventually. Just gotta pray you face one when you're on your own one-trick/main.
>>559010239
>Orb come out of thing
>I gotta shoot it
>Ough it's so complex
If you aren't baiting, you have to fuck off and spread your brain damage in the usual places like Wal-mart or i guess your mothers womb, christ you're inept
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>>559010636
Sex
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>bebop wants a swap
>swap since he'll get better bombs in this lane
>get horribly raped in lane, look at the enemy and see that they both have sparkles in their names
>look at bebop and see his name matches the guy he swapped to play with, except they don't rape as hard as the enemy duo that's raping me
>lose
I swear they need to force duo fags in their own ques or not let them swap, even by dropping of the zip. Make them walk all the way if they want to swap and coordinate it
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>>559006894
Doesn't work, you kill the troopers, the walker still won't ever threaten players. Any character can stand under it and never be in danger of actually dying even when there's no minions. And even fucking then, another wave of minions will land right next to the walker because of how the lines work. On top of all that, no matter how many waves you kill, they will just never get their back door resistance back.
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Is there any way to make a decent aim training setup in the testing area? Like making a bot recording in a fighting game.
My aim is the worst part of my play but I can’t focus on improving it with everything else that goes on in this game.
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Kys faggots
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>>559005753
It's literally street brawl. No one likes mobaslop pve last-hitting for the first 20 minutes of every match. The last batch of six heroes had the playerbase die off in like two weeks. The only difference with this batch is it added street brawl.
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secret chinese venator build
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Sinclair spammer with 600 games here
I think I can safely say I hate the bolt speed change it actively just made him less fun to play. Don't know why Yoshi did it really. I didn't ask for bolt scaling.
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>>559012537
no and yes. it's a good item situationally, since it only reflects bullets and not all incoming damage types, so against teams with heavy gun presence it's significantly better. most of the time people skip it in favor of metal skin
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>>559011575
>No one likes mobaslop pve last-hitting for the first 20 minutes of every match
I do. if there was a role where you were in eternal lane phase, killing creeps and donating the souls to teammates, I would queue for that role like 75% of the time.
I love helping my team, I love killing creeps, I love running urn and I am NOT joking.
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>>559001419
>get into new game
>the most fucking obscenely aggressive vyper and ivy I've ever had the misfortune of playing against
>feels an order of magnitude more intense than my typical ritualist games
>effectively grabbed by the fucking nuts and forced to lock in
>end up ramping up and playing way more aggressively
>we start taking towers
>bebop abandons in the midgame leading to an early victory
>not MVP but close
>check rank
>FUCKING SEEKER
How in the FUCK
Like maybe they were just all absolute dogshit at macro and we just overall won but the lane was SO AGGRESSIVE I felt like I was being forced to play in a game several ranks higher than usual yet apparently it was fucking easy mode and all I can say is what the FUCK WAS THAT
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>>559012790
>if there was a role where you were in eternal lane phase, killing creeps and donating the souls to teammates, I would queue for that role like 75% of the time.
this is basically rem.
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>>559013798
You may have to play some more games to reveal it
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>>559013964
Jajajaja https://www.nydailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/2013/06/13/RB HB47VI326SQ4O3TWS67H7CJA.jpg?w=1800 &resize=1800,1800
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>>559014382
I swear Bebop hook is both better and worse than Pudge hook
On the one hand, Pudge has way more opportunities to just hide and grab you out of nowhere
On the other hand, Bebop hook has a fucking obscene range and is way harder to dodge in spite of how fast you move
Also the bombs do obscene damage
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>>559010636
Abrams is for sex with ME
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>>559014572
the bombs are kinda the only thing he has going for him, the punch does no damage and his gun does LITERALLY no damage so when he hooks you you can kinda just stay in his face and kill him if you counter spell the bomb
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Kys faggots
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>>559014572
Letting him scale to the point of his bombs doing 1k damage just because he can use his fucking abilities is so god damn stupid
atleast drifter has to solo kill you
atleast mo has to kill you during ult
but noooo this dumb fucking nigger hero gets to nuke your entire health bar because he can press 2 on you
epic!
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>>559014801
deadlock is ran by the alphabet mafia lil bro
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how do you play mina? ive tried some online builds but feels like im doing fuck all
is she a pure jungler?
also how important is movement speed? should my builds include some mov speed items? i see streamers zoom across the map but my shit moves very slowly
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>>559014903
Based
>>559015060
But I play the game for hours daily.
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from a new player's perspective it's really funny to see how the lane phase and mid game are dominated one-sidedly by people with better shooting skills and then the people with moba experience completely flipping the script on them once they're closer to their full build.
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>>559014382
I have literally never heard of anyone considering Pudge OP.
THe only time, is the brief meta where you would play carry and rush aghanim to make your Rot cover half the screen and kill everyone's movement
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I do, but hes only fun when you do not play with a team of pussies scared of their own shadow.
>Chasing 2 low hp guys, there 3 of us, they run up under T1 tower, everyone refuses to dive and runs away to spawn
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>>559016897
thank you, that's what I need
also, what's the deal with people's inability to push lanes?
half of those loses are because my team got pushed hard
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>>559017319
It's good on heroes with escapes like doorman or sinclair because it guarantees that you will escape almost anything when you are roaming risky places on the map
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I give up on Holliday, what a shitty quarter-baked hero.
I'm eagerly awaiting the rework, Yoshi.
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And it has nothing to do with his power level, he is just fun to play, and is culturally the face of the game.
Pudge gets double-pick banned, more often than picked, no matter what his stance in the meta is
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>>559014382
Hook characters NEVER improve any game they're in
They're only added as some weird obligation at this point, a hook ability will also be perma viable and nearly impossible to balance without making it either broken (the default state) or useless.
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>>558993959
How to movement autism in this game? I get the sliding part on ledges but the jumping shit I can't. Also what other heroes play like Haze? I want to afk farm and scale I like ven but I don't want to play a spiritfag.
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>>559018374
>See ya niggers
I doubt I'll be seeing you again since you are going into low prio matchmaking, probably indefinitely.
You can type nigger into chat all you want, I don't give a shit, but spineless quitters deserve to be lynched
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>>559018379
In pubs. He's the most popular hero in pubs. At TI 2025 he had a 9% presence.
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>>559018596
just add a surrender button, it's not that hard. You can see if the game is over after 5m.
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>>559018379
He was popular in dota 1 in part because of the custom game Pudge wars.
He was popular in dota2 because of Dendi too.
I've played dota for over 10 years and fucking dread having pudges on my team because they are usually complete dogshit, and even the good ones get counterplayed and outscaled by semi competent players regularly.
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>>559018072
We can only hope that Yoshi won't be completely retarded and cater exclusively to them.
Paradox has been esports-bait for a long time now and you barely see anyone play her.
Justifying terrible kits because 1 ability or something is good for top 0.1% coordinated play is an awful idea but definitely something that Valve does, we can only hope that Yoshi won't follow in IceFraud's footsteps with that.
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>>559017986
leave boing boing barrel yeehaw alone. she doesn't need a full rework. I just wish there was any reason at all to throw a barrel without immediately sending it at someone with light melee. I want a bonus for shooting the barrel.
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>Unstoppable feeder vs Immovable leaver
Every other match is like this
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>>559019218
just pick up the urn nigga
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and now I gotta play Victor, great
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>>559019218
Then dont fucking queue you entitled little bitch ass fucking weak tilting CUNT.
You are absolutely fucking pathetic and you are so fucking stupid. You have no idea how many games youve thrown with your toddler behaviour. YOU ARE TOO WEAK FOR A VIDEOGAME and that is outrageously pathetic.
Stick to fucking lol you fucking subhuman trashbag. You ARE the loss merchant.
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can they buff Doorman I feel like if I dont end in under 15 minutes I dont get to play the game anymore
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>>559018374
they should replace the "extra competitive" queue setting with a "surrender button" queue. so all the people who want to play the first 5 minutes of the game on loop can quit throwing because they lost 1 (one) lane.
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>Willingly puts on an oversized collar every morning
What are the lore implications of this? Are lycanthropes required by law to wear a collar?
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>>559019262
You play hit and run. You get in close, proc love bites, hit rake, then swooce back out, generally speaking.
Pop the ult in a teamfight to silence people or use it as an escape when ganked or to finish off a low enemy. Shes not a very noob friendly hero though really. You need to know your limits and how to read a situation, because you die fast if you make the wrong call
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>>559020454
Like why is that a problem?
it's a mod, that you need to download, isntall and only you will see?
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>>559021025
I was in a match with a haze and wraith doing both 60k damage and I was playing dynamo with almost 70k healing and the shiv (he got two executes last base push) got MVP
He did 20k damage.
It was kinda funny because it only makes me wonder if this game has a parameter check for "ults and CC eaten without dying" because he'd just eat 3 ults and then I'd save him before things went too bad at which point we had a full team of ults against like a single drifter blind.
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>>559021426
the long quiet from slay the princess
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I was the least excited about silver from the new batch because she was going to be the least polished (+ her fanbase) but now she is my new main, at what rank do people start buying silver counters because its not oracle yet.
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>Went from playing one-two games max a day to 5
I think im addicted lads
Zero clue how ecelebs play this for 8+ hours straight its so goddamn draining afterwards.
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>>559019598
Just transition to split pusher, he's probably one of the best in the game
>Bell instaclears waves
>does good damage to structures
>His ult is super short CD and Can be used to waste enemy time or escape
>Cart is good disengage
>Door when maxed is a 100 meter instant escape if you place the first one down preemptively
His bells reduce accuracy by 100% which means bullets come out of guns at right angles or some shit I dunno. He's pretty good all game
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>retard dies 10 times in the middle of the enemy jungle achieving fuckall
>'this team fucking sucks'
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>>558993959
rem is profoundly unhealthy for the game at the ranks most people play at
he's just like when doorman first came out, except his gun is far better
insane burst in lane, and can starve the enemy team of sinners without even being present, which are so pivotal to snowballing
the damage the sinners deal is meant to balance the risk and reward for doing them, yet he can trade freely off them with his helpers
everything about him as a hero is fine EXCEPT this, and it needs to be addressed
not even going to talk about how busted as fuck silver or celeste is because rem's helpers are just that busted.
no damage, you can't shoot the helpers off a sinner's, and he gets the full reward while heading to the next one in another zip code. zero counterplay outside of "get there faster"
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>>559017986
I hope so too, I despise playing with a Holliday in my team because they always swing whoever they hook around and make it impossible to actually shoot the fucker, stay still for a second you adhd movementfag
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>Try Holliday because Crackshot with a revolver is basically a DMR playstyle
>Crackshot is dogshit and everyone plays her as a spirit poker because lol barrels
>Not to mention how fucking AIDS hitting headshots as consistently as Crackshot wants you to is in a game where everyone has tiny heads and spastic movement
>Give up
>Venator comes out
>Triple shot satisfying crossbow ult but with a kit that's actually fun to play and use outside of that
How is this hero so based? I still want Yoshi to take Crackshot off of Holliday and put a variant of it on a new, better hero.
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his pillows also hurt in lane, but i'd unironically be fine with everything about him if there was just some counterplay with the helpers
helper creep is also strong, stronger than grave's ult in terms of "enhanced wave" abilities, but again, they become these unkillable walls of flesh because of the scaling and sinner snowballing he can do completely for free
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>>559025382
If you're not consistently hitting headshots that's a skill issue
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>>559020454
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>>559024972
Rem barely needs to interact with the enemy team outside of teamfights, Helpers is the most deranged ability in the game by far, it autowins lane against any character that can't deal with them fast enough, it gives him safe farming and map pressure, at least Graves yells her retarded ult loudly and it gets a minimap icon
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My MMR assassins for today, both in the same game: a guy trying Pocket for the first time on 150 ping and a stoner Seven with 7 deaths in lane.
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>Two headshots on a target walking in a straight line who didn't know you were there
>Bodyshot central the instant Holliday is in combat with someone who knows she's there
proving my point really
I would like you to send me a video of you playing headshot Holliday against an Abrams who is actively playing the game. If he's not looking dead on at you he functionally has no head hitbox.
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Got it, thanks guys. This whole map TP is pretty nifty
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helpers get icons as well, but yes, they're fucking stupid
let's also not forget how good is base gun is out the gate, especially for a support
paige has to aim with a projectile, viscous has to aim with a projectile doorman has to aim with a projectile, dynamo has to aim with a projectile. rem? it's projectile-looking hitscan gun with 61dps out the gate. what the FUCK were they thinking? his gun base stats beat out mirage, shiv, haze, viscous, and infernus. he's practically tied with seven. it baffles me how he got pushed as is.
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>Rem helpers limited to 2
>Only attatch to lane creeps for 30 seconds
>weaker initial stats on lane creeps with stronger spirit scaling, making them good lateral but worse early
>Take a longer nap after completing their tasks
>Sleep no longer unstoppable
>Naptime no longer gives increased spirit power
>Can now throw pillows from nap time as a T3 perk
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I'm 34 and headshots in this game are easy as fuck
Crackshot does fit in Holliday's kit in that it's designed to be a poke ability (which is why it scales with spirit, not gun) but that doesn't mean that Holliday's kit isn't retarded.
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>>559026983
Oracle is the goofiest rank for some reason, the variance between games is immense with the only constant being that nobody knows what to do past laning stage
Like, how am I supposed to process my Drifter diving three people to the blue walker at minute 8 and coming out alive?
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I had an Abrams in my game getting titled from me landing a single cart+door combo on Doorman calling me sweaty, told him I have than 10 games on him. Died several more times after. Anyway since I was just bing chilling learning this character I tried to get him to relax but he wouldn't have it. He said he had 70hrs which I emphasized with (I have 300), I told him to just focus on farming and coming back. He was mad the rest of the game but his team won and I think he had fun in the end since he typed "AHAHAHAHA".
But Volvo should do something with MM, people with 70hrs who obviously already have their hands full learning laning and matchups shouldn't play with "veterans". Also smurfs, every game has at least one, Archon is truly a clown fiesta.
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I lost 10 games in a row today. Almost every game went like this.
Do I need to stop playing for a week not to get matched against people at my or higher skill level while my team consists of people not knowing how to move or spend more time flaming than playing?
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>>559028809
Her design is the best part. She's like Bazz from Concord's cousin or something. She's so ridiculous she loops right back around to being fun.
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>"Let me try learning doorman"
>behind in souls
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>cant land my carts
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>>559028809
https://gamebanana.com/mods/627579
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>>559029017
I was playing Silver. Had a really good lane and mid game until they all started grouping up while 2 of our players were just running down mid and spent more time dead than alive. Can't solo win when the enemy just deathballs every objective.
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Do you mean something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9OYr2jjAj0 where it just shows you a route and expects you to figure it out or do you want like a step by step list of what's going on.
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>>559029550
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>>559029305
Don't bother learning him. He doesn't scale and the only fun is carting someone to your base via a door or refresher ulting someone to stop them from playing the game.
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>my team feeds the entire game
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>maybe ranks rly are meaningless
They are, it's literally impossible to rank down, just read any post about a noob that got placed in shit like oracle and them proceeding to get 25% winrates but not going down ranks at all
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>have a few good games
>yoshi immediately dispatches drunk russians to the next 10 games i play
I don't get it, do I just stop playing? It's not fun coming out of lane and seeing the two enemy hypercarries be 10 2 and knowing you're about to play a 45 minute loss
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>>559014801
Agreed. They have shit taste.
Sex with REM.
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>>559030530
watch out you're about to get swarmed with adderall addicts who will adamantly insists ff votes are bad because there's a 0.00001% chance yakub mind controls the enemy hypercarries into dying 15 times and leaving you to take all objectives for free
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Place doors ahead of time. One of my favorites is a door in midlane and one next to the shrines, so you have an easy escape if they go o you and don't have to move as far for the shrine blast. If one of them follows you through the door you can close it and they're alone and dead.
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I asked Yoshi to stop rank boosting us all. And he said:
>You're going to rank up so much. You're going to get tired of ranking up. You're going to say, "Please Mr. Yoshi, I barely play. Please, don't rank me up so much. This is getting terrible." And I'm going to say, "No, we have to accomodate the new players." You're gonna say, "Please." I said, "Nope, nope. You're going to keep ranking up."
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I like that they have the EOMM algorithms despite the game having no monetization or retention mechanics (yet)
God this game is going to be so fucking terrible when the battle passes and skins become a thing
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>>559030454
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I do enjoy the game as is, but is there anyone else whos bummed from the fact that Valve didnt make a single player game with this lore/world instead? Occult noir Deus ex clone as themost low hanging fruit for example
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As if its a priority for valve to make money, they can literally print them for free.
They did have a single player RPG in the dota world at some point, but it got scrapped, maybe they will reuse some stuff one day to make a Deadlock game
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stop coping, it will never happen, the last singleplayer game valve made was alyx and they will not make another one when they can just generate even more infinite money with live service gaas slop.
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HLX is massively overhyped and will be a massive disappointment because valve forgot how to make singleplayer games after steam removed any need for them to actually try.
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>Doorman completely loses his shit over mic
>Apollo died once and apparently that was enough for him to go crazy
>Abandons lane and crashes out over mic
>Everyone tells him to stop being gay
>Everyone is really nice to Apollo over mic whenever he does something good
>We win
da powa of friendship
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Seven requires some aiming but I shit on people with a ball lightning build. His 3 is really strong but you can just target people you stunned and if you can't aim at a stationary target you should go back to hello kitty island adventure
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>gun graves kills me
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>they hit you back with "thanks i almost had to look at my screen"
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hyperfarm and get a soul lead so crazy that they can't kill you before you nuke them
rake lets you clear camps in record time & lets you enter every fight topped off by just healing off a camp/wave beforehand
abuse the ever living shit out of your iframes
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>>559035024
Eh. its more like 40-60s. Imo only ones that dont fit 100% is Rem, whos just a werid guy who would fit in any setting, and Graves because its too early for the goth stuff, but there wasnt literal necromancy irl so i would let it slide
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Graves isn't even traditional "goth," she's mid 2000's Mindless Self Indulgence Hot Topic goth. I know because I was in HS at the time and there were many of her around. Calico, Billy, Apollo, Yamato, etc also don't fit. It's more broadly American culture but it should be reined in as the occult noir theme it clearly was meant to be
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I still dont understand what makes apollo not fit either.
Hes wearing fencing gear that has been the same for like ever, certinely fits anywhere within 30s-60s
And a varsity jacket, which have been a thing since late 1800s
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>Glasses
>Haircut
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>Exagerated square jaw
>High collared trench
>Big ass 6 shooter
>Backstory of being hardnose detective
>Voice sounds like and has lines of drizzled NYC detective
ALL are very reminiscent of the noir style. How the fuck is Abrahms blue hellboy? Are you retarded or blind? You're using THE most noir styled character to compare to some fencing twink from england
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>buy counterspell
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>forget to use it
>forget to use it
Tales from Phantom.
I wish Street Brawl had a guaranteed counterspell choice at the start or something so I could play games all day using it.
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Didn't mean to quote that, meant this
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Enjoy your (You) anyway
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Venator mains owe me this
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>Backpeddling
He fits as well as Yamato. Calico actually fits more because she's classic American blackploitation. Paradox too because she's Scottish, but fits a british spy aethetic that was popular in US culture. Maybe you're a brownoid who think America has no culture or something but I can assure your brown mind Apollo certainly sticks out as bad as Yamato
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>>559029108
I honestly think Bazz' design was fine it just doesn't fit the super realism 3d game they made.
If the game was more stylized or cartoony like deadlock orbattlebornshe would've looked better.
Shoulderpads and shoes are a bit much but otherwise she looks completely fine.
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The setting has nothing to do with noir fiction. The primary inspiration for the period being what it is is obviously the Cthulhu mythos.
>Maybe you're a brownoid who think America has no culture or something
Should've known you're a culture war poltard.
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There's a huge exclamation point on you when lash can death slam on you, most lash players won't hold it so you can generally counter spell by the 1st or 2nd ring because the parry duration is fairly generous.
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>>559034802
desu yeah
this guy isn't balanced
i especially like smashing celeste players with him
try to bunnyhop out of ult into heavy > charge > heavy > headshot bitch
final fight I went epstein mode in their base just now (the full fight was too long to fit in a 4mb webm)
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>go on a winstreak
>next day
>9 losses in a row
i've had 4 new players in my lane in the last 9 matches, EOMM is real.
If I see my teammate being non existent in lane and then say ''im new'' when i ask them one more time I'm going to go nuclear.
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>>559039513
Love me abrams. I think a big part is that a lot of newer players just aren't used to parrying, I've been throwing out heavies outside of stuns and they connect like 90% of the time. I don't even bait them anymore it's getting bad.
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thanks venator
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Abrams is like a Fighting game's Grappler, the threat of him punching you puts overwhelming pressure on the player, so they tunnel vision on it and end up 'exhausting' themselves if the punch is delayed too much
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>>559039513
how do you counter abrams?
just learn to parry?
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yeah, but if he stuns you you can't parry
also u can get debuff reducer or whatever its called and he no longer pins u enough to guarnatee a heavy, until he gets extended duration, then he does again
with phantom strike this hero isn't balanced lmao, you have a guarnateed stun on any of their chars no matter what, that item is literally made for abrams, feels amazing once you buy it
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>>559040482
it's harder to miss the charge than it is to hit them
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>>559040506
Depends.
>melee moron retard monkey man just holding Q
Rebuttal and some basic anti heal like decay should do it
>an actual abrams build like gun or siphon maxing
Heavy amounts of anti heal, debuff reduction and resist shreds.
Toxic bullets, inhibitor, crippling headshots, decay are all good picks.
Curse of course is the counter to everything and especially fucks spirit abrams since siphon is a buff, so he can pop siphon and you can just shut it off, just like victor.
Also realizing that he plays around space and trying to control it yourself is good as well.
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>>559040839
Which character? I'd say yes, we have hit the meta point
>enough characters that you should be able to have three back to back matches without seeing the same characters again
>still see the same characters outside of the new 6
I'd say we hit this way back in 2024 even, honestly.
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Guys I need help. I'm totally 'in love' with a fictional character.... Graves in fact. I know it won't be an issue in few days and it will pass but holy fuck I cannot think of anything else right now. I had similar obsessions a couple of times in my life so I know I just need to get through it.
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Are pick heroes fun?
They look very team dependent which sounds un-fun, but the idea of swapping a carry into a death ball sounds very fun.
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>you can punch all 3 of these guys at once from this spot
my entire life up until now has been a lie
why do they keep shuffling the positions of neutrals for no reason anyways?
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Paradox is really fun, but playing her right now feels like an uphill battle, you really need to have at least one or two teammates you can use as 'anchors' so your pick attempts don't go to waste because the retard you were ganking for decided to do a t1 neutral with all of their cooldowns
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>Play street brawl
>Use all my cooldowns as apollo
>Pop unstable condition
>Nuke the airborne vindicta and walker
>Win
Man I love this mode.
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>Enemy laners are clearly queued together and communicating
>Teammate is a little bitch and shows zero aggression
I'm new, what do I do. I can't even step away for a little side farm or my tower just gets shit on.
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How the fuck do you play against bebop? He doesn't even need to hook you, just go up put the bomb and 80% of your health is gone.
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In lane if he apes at you to place a bomb just beat his ass, the bomb is all of his damage so once it's used you have no reason to respect him.
Outside of lane debuff remover/counterspell the bombs or buy spellbreaker.
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>>559018006
nta but you're not wrong lmao
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How easy it is to rapidly get to almost any place on the map is why this game is shit and will always be shit.
They need to remove zipline boost. They need to reduce zipline availability (ex: lines should end way earlier). They need to remove momentum on ziplines too.
No one should be able to jump off a zipline and go halfway if not MORE across the map before they hit the ground.
Takes any depth from map positioning and map control away.
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>90% of the items are statsticks, upgrading abilities just give more stats.
You could say the same about this game. The non-statstick items are generally underused and underpowered.
The best course of action to win is just inflate your stats.
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>>559042854
Good damage for rage
Spirit item so you get investement bonuses
Nice stats
Anti heal is always good and having more buffs that need to be debuff removed before you get all your knives in them is nice
Also it has good range that scales with spirit so you can throw it from afar to build rage before getting into mid range for knife shenanigans and then closing in on the kill.
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>>559042878
Faggot that should kill himself that you are, NO fucking MOBA has ever had "cross the entire map in under a few seconds" unless you include fucking teleports which only take you back to base and takes 5-10 seconds (depending on the game).
You are just a subhuman tranny.
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the matchmaking in this game is so dogshit
why do you put dynamo lash and abrams all on one team
the only way they lose is if they are retards and feed, otherwise it's a guaranteed win against an uncoordinated team of solos
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>SPIRITBREAKER
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Dota teleport scrolls can go to any structure, not just to base
Nature's prophet has global tp
Pretty sure puck has a global tp now (haven't played in a while)
Pitlord had global, aoe tp for him and any allies to any allied structure, creep or other hero
Pretty much you're a dumb fuck
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>>559044991
i hate all silver downplayers
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Apollo truly sucks ass if the enemies bother to buy spirit resilience and/or spellbreaker. Sure he's still hard to catch and kill unless you have slowing hex and burst him but his damage output gets cucked into nothingness if you bother to buy the right greens.
I have to assume the people who cry about Apollo nonstop in these threads have just never bought a resistance item in their lives. He peaks like right after lane and then falls off super hard by the endgame unless people just ignore green items altogether.
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>>559045027
The amount of times I've seen a lady geist that's low health get forced into a corner by people with range but then getting saved by a close quarters fighter realizing he's not doing optimal DPS jumps in and just gives her his healthbar.
It's always a billy.
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Although youre crashing out like a tard I actually agree.
Ziplines need to be slower or not have boost every 2 minutes, need to be like every 5
Its just too easy for someone to clear an entire wave, push a lane, and zip boost to the opposite side of the map to already be at the fight
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>>559041351
you haven't been paying attention then, all sorts of camps keep having their positions moved around.
these guys for example got moved close enough to punch all 3 at once as well.
the triple hard camps on the edges also got fucked with recently.
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>>559031358
I'm the idiot going 0/2 or 0/3 in lane because when I solo queue I always get to play with the dogshit retard who just installed the game and decided to play with his ascendant boyfriend so I have to babysit this moron 1v2 who is basically just jerking off under tower, not hitting shit (except the healing creep when we're full HP) and following you like a dog for the rest of the game to make sure he can soak up the maximum souls possible.
It's easy to feed if you assume your mates are not useless fucks and will actually play the game. I actually stopped picking billy in soloQ because half the time you initiate a fight your team just fucking leaves you and go farm jungle without saying anything.
>Oracle lobbies
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>>559046441
funnily enough that's what her description says kek
>She is insane, however she is vulnerable to everything
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>placeholder model
>likely placeholder voice acting too
>no interactions with any other characters
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>Game keeps giving me survey questions
Always answer: Celeste is too weak and Silver is too strong
Don't worry /dlg/ I got you.
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Late game it doesn't when you're fed and you have it at T3 AND you land it on one target alone
Check who has the least spirit resistance and try to burst them down. Alternatively crush someone like Apollo/Lash/Calico/whoever relies on abilities to get out and silence chain them to death
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>>559046970
Sorry anon, but the Eternus mafia has decided that Silver will get buffs and Celeste will get nerfs
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Oh goody, are these the same streamers who got mad that their OP hyper carry died a single time to a melee Ivy and cried to Yoshi?
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I could say it every day of the week and it would still be the same
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>>559017986
Why give her such a serious personality and edgy backstory if she's going to get such a wacky kit
Hell, it'd work if she was running a Buffalo Bill style show and the Troubadours killings knocked the whimsy out of her
But no, she's a legitimate Sheriff who has bounce pads for some reason