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>Latest patch:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/01-30-2026-update.102822/post-207811

>Steam Page:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/

>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/

>How do I git in?
Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.

>How do I git gud?
Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.

Additional Resources:
>Unofficial Wiki
https://deadlock.wiki
>Collection of useful character builds
https://deadlockmeta.com/
>New Player Guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit
>Advanced Movement Guide
https://www.dlmovement.wiki/
>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)
https://statlocker.gg/
https://tracklock.gg/
>Unofficial Competitive News
https://www.deadfrag.com/
>Unofficial Voiceline Viewer
https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/

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Silver!
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Sex with Venator
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>>559047839
Vex with Senator
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can i get ONE DECENT VICTOR in my TEAM that isn't ME
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Yurilock
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May I have uhhhhhh, unstable concoction on Victor please?
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Why didn't these people play dota?
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>Start playing Venator because I can actually get him consistently now
>He's insanely fun and I end up carrying most games
Holy fuck, Yoshi actually made a fun m1gger, I hate Wraith and Haze because I think they're boring and it's very refreshing to have a hero who has both fun abilities and multiple viable builds instead of a hard meta (like what old Viscious had before nerfs made punch build the only viable one)
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>3 street brawl games
>3 sevens doing an ult build
>3 games without a knockdown
epico
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IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THE WORLD
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>Paige+Viscous
>spammy Celeste ult
>4 base assaults
>3 midboss attempts
Hard to describe this pain
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>>559047839
yes
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>>559048086
>Tranny
>Older woman fetish
Sorry trantards, hags (and Mina ha) are for white men
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>>559048086
Are you implying they actually play deadlock instead of just shitting up social media all day?
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Did he influence drifter, or would it have been too short of a window for them to make a whole new character between when the movie came out and he got added?
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>>559048086
Because dota feels like dog vomit to play. My friends tried to teach me multiple times and each time I dropped that shit because it feels awful to control.
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once the Abrams nerfs roll in matchmaking will be brutal, every game will have a massive feeder who's used to being an immortal gorilla, shit's going to be horrible
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>>559046605
>strengths: dude she just jumps on you and instakills you it's so op
>weaknesses: everything
>verdict: S+
So it seems, so it seems
Seriously though was this list made by an initiate or an eternus? For real
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who do you think will get buffed and nerfed in the new patch
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>>559049250
Hopefully Rem, Celeste, and GRaves get nerfed into the ground.
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>>559048293
I really hope Warden's voice actor isn't also a placeholder. I like that we have a very chuuni / capeshit character. He sticks out and all the lines about him are how he's weird and sticks out.
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gay sex with apollo
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>>559049012
>Abrams nerfs
He already has been nerfed
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>>559049250
>Nerf
Celeste
Apollo
Silver
Melee Venator
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>play venator
>get max grenade
>get inhibitor
>so called "unkillable" characters like silver and victor stop existing
lol
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>>559048737
If they kept the old model placeholder model where he was skinnier I could see him being somewhat referenced from the Sinners guy but I doubt it.
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>>559049227
Every match of Silver is a diceroll on wherever enemy team buts CC for her or not. The chances of it are directly proportional to the lobby rank.
Well never see Silver in pro play if she won't get buffed
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>tfw viscous decides you're the one he wants to spam punch on over and over and over again in every single teamfight
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>Just found out Calico ult cooldown gets REDUCED in Street Brawl.
Holy fuck, you cannot get more blatantly retarded and obvious that you're picking favorites.
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>>559049464
how is melee ven? Why is it so good, whats the build?
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>>559048075
>Got Infinite bullets on Graves
Guess what happened next
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>>559049757
You used your no aim gun to kill people? I got electric slippers Victor instead and slid around people. Which was actually kinda fun
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>>559048086
My reason for not playing DOTA is I genuinely hate the click to move mechanic, WASD feels too natural for me atp
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Is we joining
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>>559049654
She's literally not a hero without her ult. The cat is completely useless
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>play Sven
>win
it's as shrimple as that
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>>559049892
Post your best team name
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>>559048737
I think that drifter was planned out beforehand, but Remmick absolutely had to be an influence on drifter’s characterization. There are too many shared factors between them for it to be entirely a coincidence
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>the matchmaking algorithm doesn't prioritize making sure that everyone in the team and/or the match is archon 1 for example but instead prioritizes the average rank of everyone combined being archon 1
explains a lot why it's so bad
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Daughter who I love eternally and forever (in other words, very much)
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>have Drifter as my only double prio hero
>don't get him
>nobody in the lobby has him
I didn't look at the bans so maybe he was banned but if that is the case why the fuck even put me in that game? Just fucking wait and put me in a game where he's not banned/ God the way hero selection and bans in this game works is so fucking retarded.
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>>559048737
>>559049562
>>559050315
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Mx-ouEMWs

this needs to play when drifter ults
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>upload profile on statlocker out of curiosity
>weapon accuracy bottom 1%
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>>559048737
drifter is cajun
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OWL RAT NEUTRALIZED
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>>559050684
Just become a Graves one trick and you'll be in the top 1% in no time
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>>559047762
The black woman of Valve unoriginality. These are two different characters.
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What is the point of the bonus spirit damage on Haze's fixation?
50 spirit damage every 20 shots seems pretty terrible.
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I'm killing myself
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>>559048293
How do I into warden?
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>>559050986
average doorman experience
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>>559050986
Just pick another hero until he gets buffed, jesus.
There's a balance patch soon and he's definitely going to get buffed.
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>>559048737
>>559050658
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>>559049987
Uh huh, sure, ignore bombs which got buffed to do more damage, her dash with heals her and damages. Cat? Free movement. Then her ult is fucking busted, makes her invincible and resets her other cooldowns.
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>>559050941
extra flat damage early and procs spirit dependent debuff items, but people give her tesla anyways
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>>559050941
Proccing items and it's also mostly for lane.
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>>559051269
Cat does NOTHING in Brawl. It's literally not an ability.
Calico's strength is in her mobility around the map and roaming. In a mode where there's one lane and roaming has no value, it's obvious she needs something to compensate.
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>do street brawl
>skill rating goes up
wut
explain
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So what is Warden channeling during his ult? It looks like some type of inter-dimensional ghost.
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>>559051405
lots of burst damage
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>>559051478
who cares, he will not falter
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nice lane niggers
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>>559051478
The indomitable human spirit.
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>>559051532
lmao how in the fuck
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>>559051518
Yeah, all relying on the ult. After which she doesn't do much. Downtime that's fine in the normal game, not when the mode is nonstop brooling
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>>559051478
why does it matter, in a few seconds it'll all be over.
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>>559051579
silver and celeste are usually played by retards so they probably don't even know what denies are or how to do it
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>>559051231
He’s definitely gonna get a workshop skin of him if valve does that for deadlock
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>>559048737
who?
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>>559050986
>64 minute game, lose
I will never understand how people can enjoy mobas
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Alright this is a funny little combo
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TERp-O_FTW0
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>>559051579
>>559051724

They were retards but they also both have abysmal guns for last hitting and silver always killed creeps for some reason instead of letting them die or meleeing them.

Easiest lane ever, we didnt even fight them coz they hit hard af, I just said they can't last hit and focused boxes and denies.
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MY TEAMMATES ARE ALL MORONS
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>>559052284
do be like that sometimes
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>>559051619
Letting her spam an invincible double burst damage ult does not make up her any sort of bad kit. It just accentuates how broken her fucking ult is. If she's nothing without her ult, fucking remove it and make the rest of her kit let reliant on it. At that rate, just give her 100% uptime on it so she can literally never take damage for even a frame
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>>559052284
Don't post this faggot
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>>559052284
Same, unfortunately they're also my friends.
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>win teamfight
>last enemy walker is mid
>"lets go mid"
>ok, sounds good
>i push the walker with 1 other guy
>then i realize the rest of my team is doing mid boss
please just give us a mid boss ping
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>>559052064
Go watch sinners
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>>559052284
this is true, they never buy any items to counter the enemy and make their lives easier
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>>559049892
sucks cause this shit will probably destroy regular matchmaking and i hate having to use these to play the game.
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>>559052676
why? there's no issue in the normal game.
they're called ULTIMATE abilities for a reason
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>>559052929
The auto pings fucking suck and I wish they would remove them. When I ping someone that I'm on the way, it's automatically a caution ping and my retard teammates will back up if I don't say it out loud on mic, even if they're winning the fight
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been playing for a week but no longer really having fun. each game is decided by who has the 0-20 feeder(s) and there appear to be no comeback mechanics
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>>559053132
They already tried Faceit queue like a year ago
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>>559050919
What? Haze is cool as fuck. The only issue is that they should have kept her long hair.
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>>559049987
>She's literally not a hero without her ult
>Ult is up every 40 seconds
wow
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>>559053356
Yeah, which is why the cooldown is reduced
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>>559050986
what rank
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>>559053138
>frame 1 damage, makes you invincible, let's you chase for free with high speed, bonus damage at the end
that's not an ult, that's fucking three of them
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How can the matchmaking be this bad?
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>>559053704
>let's you chase for free with high speed
you can just dash out of it
also any vertical movement and you're out of the damage range
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not gonna lie bros nothing is more fun than farming as victor the whole game
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>farm/lane janny all game
>enemy team makes retarded mistakes like getting caught out of position and chainfeeding
>team wins game on its own pretty much
I always seethe a bit when this happens
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>>559053970
>t.
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>My friend who is mediocre as fuck at this game and uses metro builds but at least played strong characters like abrams or haze swapped mains to Silver.
>Silver is MY main and now I have to flip a coin on top of other people queuing for silver, getting his feeding, overextending, Optional-item ignoring, L2R ALWAYS, lightning scroll-pilled ass on her.
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>>559050986
the kek man
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>>559053842
Lol, lmao, it doesn't matter how you dash away, she'll stay on top of you because it just makes her faster.
Also, blatantly false, you cannot double jump over it, it still has a big hit box above it
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>>559054901
If only there were things like walls or ropes or any geometry or any abilities that could be used to get additional vertical distance in this game
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i'm a graves main that sometimes plays mina and celeste but i'm not very good at the game but i like playing with silvers and abrams and dynamos
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>>559054901
20% movespeed with no stamina usage, no vertical mobility, and no other mobility options means anyone with a brain will get out of it before the second damage instance
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how many stacks is "good stacks" on vin
i also feel so fucking lost after like 20 minutes
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>>559053132
It won't
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Imagine how good movement would be if the game didn't have stupid obtuse source physics bullshit
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I keep posting Uma shit here by mistake, FUCK
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what celeste build do i use
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>>559055489
metro
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>>559055489
metro
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>>559055243
source engine is the only one that allows good movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ngi_R7Hw-E
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>>559055489
eido is actually so insanely good at this game if I saw one of his builds for a hero I'd play I would naturally gravitate towards it
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How many Deadtards are former Dotards?
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160 hours in and I FINALLY had a Dynamo on my team that wasn't a worthless piece of shit. He had a midboss stealing black hole that actually won us the game.
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newbie here, what does 4.8k spirit investment mean? I sometimes see it mentioned in builds and stuff
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>>559055772
The nutty professor is always good though. Stomp is cracked even if he never black holes
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>>559055830
Once you hit 4.8k net worth you have to find the investor gremlin hiding in your lane and melee him for 10 permanent stat buffs
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>>559055830
Each color of item gets a huge power spike at 4.8k investment in said color so depending on your hero even if you're not a primarily spirit damage dealing hero it can be advantageous to still get 4.8k worth of spirit items.
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>>559055915
Sure, that doesn't change the fact that I've never had a good one on my team until tonight.
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no bro you dont get it this character is a carry so its ok that they're totally fucking OP and superior to 99% of the cast its called being a carry they don't have to change anything its perfectly balanced since its a carry
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>>559055830
The game never explains it, but if you hold tab and hover over your spirit level, and each of thr stat bars on the lower left, you see stat growth breakdowns. You get a buff for having a certain amount in each color item with 4.8k being the most significant cost:benefit
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>>559056202
Infernus sucks tho
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>>559054571
you know that made me think how i unironically spent hours on diablo 3 mindlessly walking around
victor really is the same experience
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>>559056202
thats how mobas are balanced lil bro idk what to tell you
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>>559056202
yes thatr is the point of a carry where they need to be mega farmed at theend of a game to be useful, and carry you to victory
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... incoming transmission from mayor of new york

MIRAGE IT'S YOUR LONG LOST BROTHER MAMDANI, I NEED YOU TO SAVE NEW YORK, BY KILLING REM, DO IT NOW OR THE RITUAL WILL FAIL

Rem located

FUCK YOU MIRAGE, YOU AND MAMDANI WONT CATCH ME IF I MAKE IT TO THE ISLAND IN TIME

Get in position.. FLANK. THAT. RAT.

Target locked

NOW'S YOUR CHANCE, KILL THAT RAT.

Don't make me solo ult you..

Knock down activated

QUICK, USE YOUR "TWO"

Optimal Djinn marks achieved

USE YOUR "THREE", YOU HAVE EIGHT STACKS YOU DON'T NEED ANY MORE!

oo..

Owl rat neutralized

Great work, head back to Headquarters for briefing
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>>559056202
grey talon and vindicta being top winrate picks were dark times
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What's the counterplay to Drifter's ult? guy presses R and I literally can't see anything and none of my targetted skills can land on anyone.
Surely there's got to be some weakness to it besides trying to counterspell it.
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>>559055602
>good movement
>shaking the camera like a spastic
I'll stick with the tranny games like utltrakill thanks
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>tfw starting to think solo queue would be more fun than playing with my friends
Trying to hardcarry in this game feels so much more hopeless and frustrating than traditional shooters.
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>>559056202
This but unironically
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>>559055962
>>559056230
I see, thanks
I'm guessing each hero has a color they generally want to hit investment in first? is there like a guide for that somewhere or will it be obvious the more I play?
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>>559056383
counters-
>Surely there's got to be some weakness to it besides trying to counterspell it.
no
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>>559056376
run away
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>>559049892
>>559053132
retard
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>>559056376
if im not the one ult'd, i literally scream in mic "LET ME BE YOUR EYES" and direct them or lead them etc

think thats what they wanted because that pos ult can last 9-10 fucking seconds. so comms is literally the only way imo
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>>559056376
there's none. it's baffling it works with duration because it's fucking overpowered as shit
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>>559056376
>What's the counterplay to Drifter's ult?
If m1gger who needs to shoot at range run the fuck away
If something like abrams, go find drifter and give him the big blue cock for doing that to you
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>Drifter presses 4
>hear this approaching in the distance https://youtu.be/5Zlz6CA6JCg?si=9ZZ3D50ccN2u7vui
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>>559056202
Only people who feed lane and can't early game complain about carries.
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>>559055602
This has to be the gayest fucking example you could have ever used.
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Wild that Apollo still has not been meaningfully nerfed.
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>>559056929
how
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>>559056202
-but enough about Victor
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losing the first guardian doesn't feel that bad, if anything i found that it makes certain things easier to do as the enemy grows overconfident + farming the lane is easier
when it dies fast, farming the lane always feel dangerous since you have to go deeper in their base
is my thought process incorrect? i never contest the guardian that hard but i also play like a pussy early game
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>>559051532
They spent all the time making out
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>11 minute round 1 sb
bruh
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>>559056427
All categories has items for some type of hero, and everyone will want at least 1 big green item, so it's not something to worry about too much. 99% of thr time your build will hit 4.8 in all 3 without trying
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Wgere silver nerf
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is there a big sheet with everyones stat growths n shit
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yoshiiii nerf the 48% winrate heroooo
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>~25m or so
>Silver does her kick/1 combo
>Literally misses all 3 shots because I mantle then double back
>Last one I get clipped by a single bullet
>400 damage

I had more fun before this update
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>>559057325
Pick Mo and autowin against her
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>always buy Tankbuster on heroes like dynamo and doorman
>Playing around in hideout and notice casting again while it's on CD resets the CD
Is this a visual bug or is it actually really bad for skill spammers?
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>>559054986
Sadly, not always a guarantee to be that close to a line, wall is a little more reliable, but still a chance it hits
>>559055050
+50% movespeed with no friction, so she turns on a dime
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>>559057495
Tankbuster is a garbage item in general, but if it's at half charge when you cast it'll activate at half effectiveness.
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>>559057434
your resistances bro
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>>559056306
>they need to be mega farmed at theend of a game to be useful
except most of the carries in this game are literally never bad. hell the only reason people say infernus is bad because he kind of works like how you describe, bad at the start and good at the end
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>mfw new player and have went against an obvious smurf stack 4 times in a row with even their worst player having 1.5 times the highest soul count of ours
I'm guessing there's no unranked or only solo queue option, is there.
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Surely once half-shit 3 comes out engine guys will hop projects and fix dl performance, right?
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>>559057156
The problem with Apollo is not that he's OP which he is. The far bigger problem is that he takes no effort or skill. You literally just button mash.
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>>559057636
Well then the more you know. Are the only pure spirit items for single big hit nukers boundless spirit and spirit burn then? Escalating exposure would be shit on doorman so do you build half gun?
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>>559057952
There's also reverb
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>>559057948
wouldn't really say that to be true
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what do i play if i have pretty good hitscan shooter aim but i don't like being in the fray
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>>559058139
Abrams
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>>559057948
His only real weakness is that he can fall off late game. Y'know, like Mina, whose easily considered top-tier while also being harder to play.
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>>559058139
Vindicta
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>>559057907
Performance won't be prioritized til they get all their shiny new assets into the game
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>>559058139
Gun Bebop
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>>559058280
Mina scales better into late imo. Both play pretty similarly, I think Apollo is a bit more forgiving because he's not as squishy
t. playing mostly either her or apollo
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>>559058139
Venator since he has the highest bullet velocity
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is it fine to go express shot on mina to proc love bites easier
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haha i ansered yur question with da opposite of wut u were asking durr huhuh
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I think the datamined HP bars SUCK!
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>>559058494
no are you high lol
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I hate item slots being tied to walkers. It just makes it that much harder to come back if you lose your lanes.
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>>559057835
You have no choice but to tough it out. Or just spam brool and peak over the normal mode every now and then.
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>>559058793
Yeah they really need to add a lot more comeback mechanics so our games can last an hour or longer
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>want my friends to play
>we get shitstomped
>use another account with 50 hours that's ritualist
>drop 30 bombs, the games are boring but my friends don't complain
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i don't like the ability to come back or the ability to snowball
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YOSHI! GIVE ME ANOTHER ACTIVE ITEM SLOT PLEASE!
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>>559058931
why
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>>559058848
How is it a comeback mechanic? Just give both team all 12 fucking slots from the start of the game like literally every other MOBA in existence. Literally how does locking item slots behind taking objectives make the game any better? You don't need extra incentive to take walkers when taking objectives is the entire fucking goal of the game.
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>>559058931
Then play a different game nigga.
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>>559059013
i like being kicked in the balls
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you can counterspell either the lash ult locking onto you as well as the throwing part?
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>>559051579
Silver is dogshit at last hitting, especially if enemy has a machine gun and dedicated to cucking you.
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>>559059046
because you're taking away an advantage from the leading team
comebacks have unironically never been easier. just grab the fucking urn
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>>559056202
It is really lame to just find out your character just sucks dick in comparison to another with equal farm amounts
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>>559059104
You're better off counterspelling the slam after getting tossed
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>>559059165
>because you're taking away an advantage from the leading team
YOU HAVE MORE FUCKING SOULS THAT IS YOUR ADVANTAGE RIGHT THERE
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>>559058826
I was afraid of that
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>>559059270
that's not a big enough advantage when pushing into the base, retard
if you can't get a walker you don't deserve to win a game
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>>559059230
Getting repositioned is the worst part of the ult, so I'd really rather not.
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>>559050990
turn your body cam off
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>People going on about Apollo's WR as proof he's not busted
>Every new character but Rem has had their winrates steadily climb to over 50% since they came out despite being in like 70% of matches
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Everyone should have the same amount of souls, your only advantage should be skil
Make all items free and remove locked slots
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>>559059432
they made street brawl for you bro
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>>559059046
bro items are balanced around item slots it doesn't work like that
what you're complaining about is the equivalent of "why the fuck can't i jump in dark souls? i can jump in every 3d action game"
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>>559058793
I just had this problem with a match. I was completely fucked because I didn't have the slots
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they'll just cut the damage of apollo's 1 and then move the riposte cooldown reduction to t2 instead
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>>559059516
You can jump in dark souls tho
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>>559059583
demon's souls or whatever the fuck
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>>559059413
he's not that good blud
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phantom is elo hell. why the fuck do people still not buy utility?
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>>559059523
I run into this all the time it's not like I'm complaining for nothing. My retards lose their lanes and it makes it impossible to push anything and unlike them I know how to farm so I'm stuck with 3 slots locked, I have enough to buy my next item, but no slot so I have to sell something useful to buy a 6.4k item.
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>>559059697
It's not in my L-R build, please understand. I will bitch in all chat about characters being broken but not counter buy them
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>>559059697
utility doesn't make the numbers go up, buy only damage items and no greens
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>>559059697
I'm ascendant 5 and I never buy knockdown, curse, or slowing hex because someone else can do it and I want to have fun with my build
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Which is better for a late game m1 carry? Siphon bullets or leech?
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I had a fucking horrible game where I went 3/10, half my build was counters and yet I died in seconds to the enemy team regardless
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>>559059773
Are those my only two options? I might as well go afk in base
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>>559059773
Leech gets mogged by Vamp, so if it's between Siphon and Leech, Siphon
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>>559059773
I build this on Mirage I don't know who else I would build it on.
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>>559059773
leech isn't good on m1ggers, that's an item for hybrids
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fuck resto shot this item is such dogshit I'm just going to be an extra regen chad on every hero
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finna boutta ban the rem meister

sick of this owl NIGGER
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>>559060114
I have bad news
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>>559060114
you can't :-)
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wait warden is actuallly fun af
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>>559060152
I know I meant like, when I can
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I run into the hero I ban all the fucking time the system may as well not even exist
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there are no balance problems with the game until they fix them. haze could be buffed to do 10,000% extra damage and /dlg/ would find some excuse to say that actually, she's perfectly balanced and you are just pisslow. of course when that buff is finally walked back these same people will start glazing yoshi for saving the game, finally nerfing that tyrant, she was so broken thank you valve for listening to the players!!
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>>559060206
I really like investing two levels into the cage and putting the 800 ability range item on it, the extra range is enough to catch most people off-guard and the duration is super long, you can cheese a good couple of kills with it
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>>559060286
Silver whiner or bebop crier
Call it
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>>559060206
he is easily one of the strongest heroes in the game. gun hits like a truck from minute 0 and never stops hitting hard, gets more base health and better scaling than basically everyone other than bebop, good movement + free shields, good ult cc and ability spam, he has it all. frankly he needs some kind of nerf, he's good at everything its unfair. m1 carry but has more health and hp scaling than abrams? come on at least the other m1ggers are glass cannons
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>>559060286
Nah, bad example, this general seethes over M1 characters even when they genuinely suck like Infernus.
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>>559060558
please explain why infernus is so bad this is an honest request
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>>559060286
>incoherent pisslow sobbing
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>>559060404
pair it with slowing hex and you pretty much got em every time, assuming the game clicks the right enemy to hex
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niggers on /dlg/ will be oracle and call others pisslow
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>>559060558
Infernus quite literally melts people though
>Just use debuff remover
Yeah so he can instantly burn me again?
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is this just Mandela effect? I swear Pocket used to do more damage the longer he spent inside his 3. When was that even changed?
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>Abrams
>Unkillable
>High mobility
>High damage
>Has the best high damage assassination/engage burst in the game, not even an ultimate.
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>team conga lines into 1v6 despite a 20k soul lead and we lose the game
>they keep split pushing the one lane without a walker up
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when did you realize every lane is a cancer lane
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What are these things?
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>>559061019
You're not supposed to criticize Yoshi's boyfriend's self-insert
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>>559061126
chud shaped bolas
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>load up roster of m1ggers
>load up greenless build
>turn off all voice and text chat
>queue up for a normal game
yup, it's deadlock time
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>>559061126
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>intense lane against mina as apollo
>really close fights and clutch escapes from both sides throughout the laning phase
>then post-lane mina buys a slowing hex
>just give her a long look of disappointment
no respect for the game...
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>>559061126
it's wolf-themed bolas. But the placement is stupid as hell
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Deadlock needs more characters like
>graves
>mo and krill
>victor
>bebop
>kelvin
>paige
Deadlock needs to remove these characters and never add characters like
>paradox
>haze
>mina
>vindicta
>wraith
>holliday
>vyper
>geist
>shiv
>pocket
>warden
>infernus
>mirage
>venator
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>>559061327
You're an aimlet, aren't you, anon?
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i don't think enough people talk about how good zerggy is mechanically
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>>559061327
>more characters like paige
absolutely the fuck not
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>>559061374
No, he's a master baiter and he reeled your ass good.
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>>559061213
>>just give her a long look of disappointment
your love of the game gave her +5 love bites
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>>559061439
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>>559061430
>i don't think enough people praise a cheater for cheating
state of this general
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>>559061213
leaving if this is my lane
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>>559061430
I watched that autistic retard for 1 minute and closed the stream
>non stop yapping and responding to or talking about random shit
>just feels like he's tweaking non stop
this nigga is some extreme unsettling case of adhd
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>>559061557
I always read his name as "sperggy"
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>>559061557
yes he is a giga sperg but watching this guy play is crazy
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>>559061272
>>559061126
I genuinely fucking thought these were wolf themed charms, I totally fucking forgot about her bolas because they don't look like them.
Now I gotta fucking edit my ai chatbot.
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>>559061469
just +2 bats, big deal
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>>559061548
Apollo really wants to be in that lane though because apollo can just parry bomb and punish getting hooked.
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>>559061548
Apollo at least is one of the few heroes who can make this tolerable
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>>559061753
>>559061791
*hooks you*
*waits 1 second as you humiliate yourself by parrying nothing*
*puts bomb on you and walks away*
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>>559061842
I always wait until the bomb is on me then I parry as it's about to go off actually :)
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>>559061842
You're supposed to just parry when the bomb explodes
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>>559061842
You parry the bomb explosion you fucking idiot what did you think I was saying?
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>>559061913
>>559061947
>>559061979
I accept your concescion
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>>559062017
based 1 kill - 18 deaths bebop
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>>559060646
>>559061019
Every m1gger melts people when they get fed. That's their job. He would be literally unplayable if he wasn't capable of that. I don't think Infernus does a lot early on and even late game he's not some supreme dominating force compared to other carries. I've genuinely just never felt like he's had more of an impact than any other carry, usually less, and I'm happy to see him on the enemy team over any number of characters.
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So Doorman just fucking sucks I guess
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>>559062115
yes
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>>559061548
I think it says a lot about Apollo that I'm pretty sure he handily wins this lane.
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>>559048491
Bad news: trans are overwhelmingly white men
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>first time playing yamato
>vs venator
>he rapes me and I basically feed his ass
>build ballistic resist
>suddenly he deals zero damage and I whoop his ass
>game drags on, I get hyperfed and become an unkillable killing machine late game
>was building melee/tank
this character is wack
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>teammate gets stuck in wall
>can't use the unstuck option despite clear instructions
>doesn't know how to open console
>claims the commands given to him don't work after he gets it open finally
actually lost the game in the time it took him to suicide
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>lash on the other team
100% you're losing.
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>>559061649
Nobody cares, go talk to your imaginary friend.
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>>559062317
really hard to lose lane as Mina
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People earlier were saying Metro is good. Is this Venator build bait? It's not some game losing dogshit like this one Goo Bomb build Viscous I played, but no CDR for ult, extra regen over healing rite, nothing in this build that actually helps him farm considering this build recommendation makes his 1 and 2 too long CD and too low impact for farming.
I thought, generally, M1 ricers like Wraith or Mirage wanted to blitz a farm item like Tesla/Ricochet/Cultist or some Spirit investment for the same end goal.
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>>559062498
It's also really hard to lose lane as Apollo.
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>>559062528
I'm sorry anon but you were bamboozled earlier, Metro builds are pretty bad
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>>559062364
my Yamato experience is doing unholy burst to people, then them getting away at 10% HP because her damage is slightly too low to 100-0 unless way ahead and her cooldowns are slightly too long to reliably re-combo people trying to get away from you
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>>559062594
Yeah but it's a draw more often than not
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>>559062528
>extra regen over healing rite
regen over rite is better overall unless you're really low hp
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>>559062528
>People earlier were saying Metro is good
You were getting trolled. His builds are pretty medicore to downright bad.
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I know people say to pick a carry if you want to win in low elo but is it a crime to want to play support a bit for fun
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god damn this dude is boring to play
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>>559062528
that one is acceptable as far as metro builds go, but the only really viable venator build right now is melee gutshot venator
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>>559062660
I thought Rite is better overall unless you're in a miserably lane because Rite scales better into the midgame.
>>559062612
>>559062664
>
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>>559050986
>switch to the the overpowered yiffslop
>win
Many such cases

>>559056408
kino
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>>559062668
whats sad is paradox used to be a very viable carry but has been nerfed dozens of times into a support that only works in high ranks
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Im new, is this a good build for surviving early laning phase?
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>>559062646
from my little experience her hook is absolutely retarded
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what has gone wrong in your life for you to pick mcginnis?
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>>559062658
It's not a 1v1 though, bro.
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i hate how you can only parry heavy melees. like billy has an ability that looks like a heavy melee but you can't parry it without counterspell. very unintuitive and forces you to learn what the animation of these abilities look like
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>>559063023
Engineer players.
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>>559061213
You think Mina's have any honor? They're playing fucking Mina, they're here because she still nukes players with love bites and rake combo.
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>>559062921
>no regen
trash
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>>559063046
you sure made it sound like it
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>>559062921
Nope, you won't survive, all the OP character ignore all of this.
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>>559063023
Wall is just a really funny ability and I wish it was on a more interesting hero.
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>>559063023
I want to spread mcginnis's ass cheeks and sniff after a long day of her on the job
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>>559049613
Parry it
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>>559063117
I like Mina because every part of her design from the tempo and sound of her gunshots to proccing lovebites giving permanent ult damage is designed to annoy the enemy, and it fits with her personality. Same reason I play viscous
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>>559063023
I just love Miniguns, ok? Still, it's a shame McGinnis is kinda trash compared to a bunch of other M1 carries
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>>559061439
>>559061482
THE LAND IS CLOAKED IN DEEPEST BLUE
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>>559061548
your reactive barrier sir?
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>>559063186
No, if you really wanted to go that route then I made it sound like a 1v2. But obviously you wouldn't say that because it'd clearly be a retarded, bad faith interpretation of my post, right?
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>>559063297
Not a single character is as infuriating as a good Sinclair.
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>>559050919
Haze and Calico are fine, Calico and Wraith are the ones I'm always mixing up because they're both purple black women with big coats
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>>559063621
They really need to do something about them eventually as I barely remember they exist and when I do I get them confused
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>>559063613
>playing drifter
>enemy team has sinclair
>every teamfight is double-blind
this is stupid as hell
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>>559063613
How does one get good woth Sinclair? His bolt never goes where I intend it to
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Why does no one play Mina in street brawl? Makes you think
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>be me
>low oracle
>trying to get decent with billy
>bad
>getting stomped in lane vs Warden/Ivy
>0/5/1
>Genuinely playing like I'm brain damaged
>start playing super safe.
>super farm
>jumping in only when my team has started a fight or gets jumped
>come back well enough
>end positive
>Win
>"Thanks for the carry"
>get MVP
kek. I definitely didn't deserve it
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>>559063796
Shoot upwards or fake a miss behind them then redirect it.
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>No Ada Wong Mina mod
Lame
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>>559047648
Did they do a balance patch yet? Also has the matchmaking somehow gotten worse?
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>>559062684
Yeah but seeing people try to fight you in close quarters when you're endgame victor is funny as fuck.
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i love playing sinclair but man am i shit with him.
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>>559058703
>datamined
eh?
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>>559064614
>she doesn't know
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>>559064045
>30 assists
>3rd most assists

jesus christ
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>has a rapier
>but a decently ranged attack with no falloff and no unique melee interactions
>riposte that doesn't even require looking at the attacker or timing because it lasts forever
>riposte has a dash duct-taped to it so he can use it for faster roam by having camps proc it or as an easy escape if thrust is on cooldown
>basically just counterspell on a 15s cd
>thrust has 3 casts, each with a dash that doesn't use stamina
>thrust's hitbox is the size of a fucking log because god forbid the ""high execution"" character can miss something
>also heals him if he gets the timing right, but the timing isn't hard to get right at all
>ult is only blocked if he directly faces a flat surface, which practically can't happen
>this means he can do it behind cover and still end up slashing through a teamfight
how fitting that the nepobaby has everything
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Krill doesn't even have to walk like everyone else the least he could do is bring a gun that doesn't suck ass
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>>559064045
>play Celeste
>farm
>throw ball
>go back to farming
>throw ball
>go back to farming
>throw ball
>end up with MVP
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>>559065058
Look how little he is, it's all he can do to absorb the recoil
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>>559064240
>capcuck playing any non capcuck game: you know what'd make this really good? some capcuck references!
AAA sloppers really just cannot get enough of the slop
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>>559064881
Most assists was 34 that game.
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Games are always a stomp one way or the other.
In neither situations do I feel like I walk away learning anything.
Is this really the genre (besides MMOs) that people give themselves cardiac arrest playing?
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>>559065325
IT's unironically just not fun to play the game and the fact that the community has gaslit themselves into thinking it's good the game is in this state is wild
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>>559065260
You're playing a valve game get off your high horse
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>>559063023
It's the closest thing I can get to reliving the heady days of Support S/MNC. She also has a fun design and attitude, and I like all of her skills. Also also, I'm on steam deck so I'm not going to be snapping off epic cross map headshots enough to play characters who can't be built around their spells.
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ICEFRAUD GIMME MY ALICE HERO OR PAKISTAN GETS NUKED NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW NOW NOW NOOOOOWWWW!!!
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does celeste ult come from dota? It seems familiar
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How can I learn Lash in a way that doesn't make my team mad when I play like shit?
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>>559065880
Yeah
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>>559065915
brool
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>>559065880
no, it was created from the ground up for deadlock
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>>559053025
retarded niggerslop
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>>559065957
Brawl is just another form of standard but still shit
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>Bebop tries to hook me
>I press shift to perform my reactive lateral displacement, which causes him to miss his hook as I am now in a different spot
he never stood a chance
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>>559065915
lots of street brawl to practice your finicky as shit ult and learn to bain counters spells out properly
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>>559065915
as long as you don't feed and push out lanes when you can idc wtf you do
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How do you know exactly when you should push to take down a walker?
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As a new player in low rank games, what should I do if I notice my teammates having a lot of problems in early game in a lane other than mine and feeding several kills to an enemy player? Is it best to rotate and help them or am I better off staying and controlling my own lane?
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Flopping tranny deadcock.
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>>559066328
When you can destroy it
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I geinuinely hate that the game is in the state it's in and people just pull out all the stops to act like it's the greatest thing ever and the fact someone is saying anything about the shit in the sink is actually not allowed.
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>>559066339
Quit the game because it's not getting any better bro. Just leave atp.
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>>559066440
Nah I'm having fun I just want to improve as much as possible as a solo queue player.
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>>559056202
>dont participate in the game, fights, or anything for 30 minutes
>play PvE deadlock
>show up
>win

retarded
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gunslop is going to kill this game
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>>559066471
Nah, it's not gonna get any better whatsoever and what you're seeing now is going to keep happening. It will not get better.
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Counterspell should be 12 seconds cooldown
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>>559066163
But you're supposed to get hooked by him to get close without using stamina, makes killing him easier
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>>559066574
>plays third person shooter
>"WTF WHY ARE PEOPLE SHOOTING"
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>>559056376
>>559056698
Am I the only one that doesn't have trouble with Drifter's ult anymore?
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>Celeste Throws 4.
>Our team splits up from the ball bouncing.
>After about 6 seconds of it bouncing around it lands on our Mirage and he takes it away and lets it end on him.
>By the time any of that happens our Paradox and Dynamo get caught out because they too ran away from the ball.
>We all try to run away and only two of us make it as we're slowly picked off one by one, because we all split up when the ball was thrown out.
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Am I the only one that doesn't have trouble with Victors ult anymore?
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How do I convince my friends that we, in fact, should not just let the enemy team repeatedly have the urn for free every match even when we're all up and have a slight soul lead because they're too scared to take a teamfight?
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>>559049936
He had no map awareness whatsoever, he would fight one guy deep into enemy territory when everyone else in out team had long left. Also spam the "going in" voice command while idle farming in jungle as teamfights happened near him.
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>>559066574
dogshit hero designs are going to kill this game
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REM


YOU ARE MY WIDDLE ADORABLE SHMOOBLYDONG CHUNGUSERINO!
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>>559067093
I know celeste ult is just lich's but does it really have to slow, she's not even ice themed
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Why does the splatter puddle slow, it's not even ice themed
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>>559067469
There are a lot of knobs they can turn to try and balance her ult. Make it so it had real RNG between bounce targets so throwing it while troopers around risks wasting a ton of bounces on creeps, make the orbiting a tier upgrade, make the bounce distance smaller, make it so it doesn't bounce off troopers so it's easier to just split a guy off that it's orbiting. I've got not idea what they can do to balance some of the other shit they put in during this patch.
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>>559056408
Me when I'm playing Celeste
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Is it truly impossible for an aimlet to get gud at Silver?
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>>559067595
Have you ever walked through jelly?
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>>559067908
Have you ever had an ice cube thrown at you?
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HOW THE FUCK DOES A CELESTE DIE TEN TIMES IN LANE AGAINST A VICTOR
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>>559066339
nothing you can do. practice movement and aim for the rest of the game
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>>559067595
it's sticky goop, dawg.
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>>559056202
I just play street brawl. Farming is gay. People will bitch at you because it has balance problems as if the regular mode doesn't have the same fucking problems but with the addition of them getting way worse since people can use the bad balance to out farm, out gear, and out level you.
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>>559067291
Valve not being able to actually balance heroes will kill it
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>>559067960
>OI MAYE BE POWAFOAL BUT IM NOIT DIVOINE.
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>>559068149
I genuinely hate that line.
Its fucking retarded.
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There needs to be more middle ground instead of the two extremes

For example, a bebop echo shard bombing you kill you instantly, OR you counterspell the explosion and he turns into a lane creep since the rest of his kit is useless
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>>559068214
>Keep your eyes on my BAWLS Boies and Garls!
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>>559068221
*counterspells your post*
ain't reading that essay
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>>559067860
Walk up behind people->Press 3->Press 1 with Slowing Bullets->Transform
You no longer need to aim
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>>559068276
*dispels your gay reply*
thanks for the 300 heal
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>>559068221
that's the way icefrog wants the game to be
haze? metal skin lmao
bebop? lash? pocket? counterspell lmao
calico? slowing hex lmao
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>>559049418
such a cutie
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noob here
are some laning matchups just fucked? like how do I deal with the enemies just pressing M1 into my direction and i just get pelted down
best I can do is hide and try to get some lasthits in
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>>559068221
I had a lane against Bebop as Dynamo with a Mina partner and we denied him every single one of his gay little stacks.
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>>559068783
Some are more fucked that others for sure. You can ask to trade with another person on your team if you're getting boned.
For example if you are playing as Billy or other close range heroes you are gonna have a tough time against people like Grey Talon or Vindicta since they are so long range and can even just fly away from you.
The knowledge on how to deal with them or when to swap just kind of comes with time really.
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>>559067347
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>>559068783
some match-ups are hard and the best you can do is farm and keep level on souls, but it's difficult to give advice without knowing the match-up.
depending on who you were playing you might've been playing it wrong. just because someone's gun is better than yours doesn't mean they should be winning the lane.
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what happens if I pull Abrams' tail?
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>>559048737
i've always thought drifter was partly inspired by caine from VTM (both ancient, unknowably old, vampires forced to wander around the world for eternity, just killing people and drinking blood, both are treated like forces of nature as opposed to beings, etc)
>>
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>>559069084
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>>559069084
it would be extremely painful
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>>559068783
Theres bad matchups, but its just as likely that you were fucked because you were playing the matchup wrong, or you are just shit at laning in general.
Not enough info here
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>>559048737
Not a chance.
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>>559068783
Yeah, some matchups suck ass and some characters are just really strong early in general. If you're new and just getting pelted down from across the lane though then a big part of it is likely bad positioning and movement. Use cover more and push the lane from it to create space and pressure. A lot of characters with strong m1s have a passive that stacks on you so just waiting a moment to let it fade while maybe poking at minions from cover can make trades a lot more favorable for you or even bait them to get into a closer position. The minions with flags also drop health orbs that'll help you sustain in lane so you should prioritize them when you and your teammate have taken a decent chunk of damage.
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Thanks Ivybro for lending me your build a couple threads back. Had a killer game and made it into ritualist. Emissary next.
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>>559069569
What build?
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>>559069531
It's annoying as shit when you're a low bullet velocity character going up against a rapid firing character
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You are given access to Gayben's secret TF2 Hat Generator for infinite money and a nuclear warhead to fix the smurf problem, what do you propose?
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>>559069874
I propose you suck my wiener
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>>559069224
I only played as him once for the Christmas ornament but he was fun.
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>slowly starting to learn to counterspell everything
i see why people are saying this item is broken
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>>559069409
4u
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i only brawl
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>>559069940
Is there any way to practice the timing in sandbox?
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>>559069874
Region locked servers so NA/EU only play with each other and thirdies have their containment zone.
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>Play against Haze
>Blatant botter
>Entire match every hit is a headshot
>Frame 1 denies souls
>Entire team reports him
>Lose two ranks because it was a stomp, obviously
>Super pissed
>Check back 4 hours later
>Not only is he not banned he's been in 6 more games and still obviously botting by the score board
Is there literally no VACengine in deadlock?
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>>559069224
I'd give a 2 or 3 because it's entirely dependent on whether you've managed to get stacks or not
If people won't allow themselves to be isolated you can go through entire games with no stacks, and even if winning it's very tedious
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>>559069224
I'm afraid I'm playing as him because I don't want to be one of those turboshitter Drifters
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>>559070102
Are you implying only thirdies smurf? Because smurfing is a practice enjoyed by all small penised gamers around the world no matter their skin color. See: ecelebs making zero to hero garbage content evert season as an excuse for smurfing.
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>>559070371
You vill be the 2/10/8 Drifter and you vill be happy.
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>>559070147
Post profile, liar
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ILL TAKE YOUR LIFE
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YOU'RE MINE
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>>559070147
Valve tends to do bans in waves, so that the people making the cheats these shitters use have a harder time updating them to avoid detection
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NO MORE GAMES
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>>559069665
ID: 497412
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>>559070392
>ecelebs making zero to hero garbage content
That makes sense in some games like Tarkov but not in a MOBA
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>>559070482
His name was #7vindicta, any game he plays haze he is magically top of every stat while the rest of his team isn't doing anything.
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>>559070147
Everything else might be true but
>frame 1 denies souls
Is literally impossible
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Gun GT is completely busted, wtf? Why did they buff the shit out of his gun when spirit is way more fun to play as and against?
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I FEAR NO ONE
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>>559070147
Valve does ban waves. If he's banned it'll be at the same time as every other cheater they've detected. It can be years between ban waves, and while I assume they'll be a bit more on top of things for their brand new game I still wouldn't hold your breath.
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>>559070843
He only has a 51% winrate on haze lil bro
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Dumb bitch
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>>559071018
>Oh wow he had dog shit stat before he got an aimbot? Who could have guessed?
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>>559071247
I have stat pages like that and I don't even cheat lol
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>>559065260
Trvke
Capcom niggers are insufferable
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>>559071329
>Ya bro it;'s just normal to do 10 times the damage of everyone else in the lobby and have double the souls.
What do you even get out of defending a botter?
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>>559071468
Jesus Christ.
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>>559071468
ok fair cop that is a lot of kills jesus christ
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Drifter has one of the higher win rates yet I never see people complain about him (aside from his ult)
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>>559071774
ok buddy
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Let's see what this dick can do
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>>559070931
Time to be a hero...
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>>559065832
HRT coded post
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>>559071774
I haven't run into many Drifter but imo
>Melee carry that relies on lifesteal
Is pretty easy to counter on paper and even if he is op feels more fair that
>Long range sniper that can fly
Half my team has ground based abilities so Mira is just fucking a kick in the nuts.
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>>559071774
Every time a Drifter dominates a game it's entirely the fault of the guy who fed him in lane.
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I'm currently working but I cannot stop thinking of Graves... What is wrong with me?
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>>559071468
Not a single disarm and only 1 metal skin against that Haze?
Sucks you got stuck against a likely cheater but you guys clearly didn't do yourselves any favours
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>>559069084
Imagine pulling his tail with each thrust, slamming him against you and not letting him pull himself away
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refuse to play until the next balance patch
rem is overtuned and can do too much to starve an enemy team of snowball
silver is overtuned and requires too much cc buy-in from a team to deal with and her ult does too much
not even going to bring up celeste, all but confirmed she's on the chopping block
can't come soon enough
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>characters I have most fun as is rem, paige and ultbot graves
guess it's supportsissy life for me..
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>>559072552
>What do you even get out of defending a botter?
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>>559072229
I would be okay with this if I had any sort of control over the guy on the other side of the map feeding him kills.
Kits with snowball mechanics included are bad design and incentivize feast or famine gameplay that leads to stomps.
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this community sucks and the game is like 5 years away from being released
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i hate being paired with billys or venators on a team they're very often so fucking shit because its ez to counter them and then they ragequit when they get parried i hate these retarded niggers who play them so much
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>>559072451
Apollo...
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>>559073021
>5 years away from being released
"Being released" is completely and utterly irrelevant, the game is functionally released and anyone can play it for free, the community will not significantly grow after a hypothetical 1.0 because anyone interested is already on top of it. In fact, getting "officially released" is likely to make it even worse.
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Graves is the kind of girl to leave a used tampon in someone else's schoolbag because they laughed at her presentation
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brainlet here
why is spirit snatch good on drifter
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>>559073492
>the community will not significantly grow after a hypothetical 1.0 because anyone interested is already on top of it
Yeah just like the community didnt grow at all after this newest update right
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>>559073589
Works with Rend.
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>>559073656
False equivalence.
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>>559073258
you cant parry venator's true combo
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OI FEAR NOTTEN!
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>>559073589
It's free ramping damage and tank the longer youre in combat.
Plus since youre now doing spirit damage with melee attacks everyone that built normal resist is fucked.
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KILL ALL BILLY MAINS KILL ALL BILLY MAINS KILL ALL BILLY MAINS KILL ALL BILLY MAINS KILL ALL BILLY MAINS KILL ALL BILLY MAINS KILL ALL BILLY MAINS KILL ALL BILLY MAINS
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>>559073748
HE HAS 17 DEATHS FUCK VENATOR
im uninstalling this game 3rd game in a row with subsaharan iq faggots running into fights with players who are 10k ahead
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the item that gives 50% weapon damage when your target is above 50% hp is op btw
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sex with Rem
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>>559073985
the hero that is hardcountered by jumping in the air? yeah hes too strong
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>>559074342
brother i have a 0 16 billy in my team I DO NOT WANT TO SEE BILLYS IN MY TEAM
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>>559074075
I can't believe I built backstabber over this. I'm bad.
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Apollo seems like pretty bad design in his current state.
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>>559074681
love this item
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>>559074075
yeah it's really good on a hero that benefits from the spirit power bonus as well. otherwise active reload or intensmag are far more consistent 1600s for orange builders
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>>559074712
Backstabber is really good too depending on your hero.
Having quieter footsteps is really under rated on roaming heroes
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>>559073724
OH NO! THE 100K PLAYERBASE ALPHA GAME ISNT GETTING BIGGER! ITS LITERALLY DEAD!

MUH STEAM CHARTS! MUH TWITCH VIEWS!
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>>559049892
The fuck is EDL, is this like that time where they said "face punch will save tf2"?
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>>559074994
Games dead. Time to reinstall LoL so I can go back to surrendering games again like a real gamer
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why is every game a 60k blowout?
why is snowballing SO fucking bad in this game?
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>>559072108
no
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>>559075106
urn is a comeback mechanic btw :^)
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>>559075106
Because you are solo queueing in a team game.
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>>559075225
you get intercepted so easily
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>>559075106
Not my experience. Trying to break high ground seems to lead to comeback for the defenders more often than it leads to actually winning the game. Lowkey it's better if you just use your first midboss to choking the map and amassing a more decisive lead instead of trying to siege.
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>>559075225
>>559075443
Urn feels extremely punishing for any team ahead or behind trying to cap it.
>One team has to have at least 1 person run to the other side of the map
>The other team gets to post up completely free at a place the runner must go to
>Can easily make the runner drop the urn and just turtle
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Off topic but does anybody know a good ergonomic gaming mouse? I'm starting to get pains in my finger joints and palm just using my mouse in general and I game like every blue collar gamer meme.
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>>559075742
get a vertical mouse
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>>559075106
Potential player gap feels bigger here than in other MOBAs, like if I see someone go 6-0 in lane I know he will just stomp the whole match and farm both jungles/sinners while my team has to try and cope with the urn.
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>>559075106
happens way less than 6 months ago btw
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>>559075798
Dota snowballs much, MUCH harder than Deadlock
Which obviously makes Deadlock superior because one-sided stomps suck ass
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>>559074994
>ITS LITERALLY DEAD!
Never said so. Anymore strawmen?
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>spiritfag(mina pocket calico celeste apollo)
slowing hex
>any gun character
rusted barrel (800 souls btw)
>retarded cc character (seven abrams bebop)
reactive barrier
Am I missing anything for general anti laning shit?
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>>559076056
rebuttal for billy/viscous
debuff reducer for abrams
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>>559076056
Rebuttal for melee apes, extra stam if you're getting movement checked
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>>559076056
Antiheal for sustain character (victor, mina, graves)
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I've never seen a Mina do damage.
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>120 hours in
>discover that I can draw cocks on minimap for everyones enjoyment
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Would you
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>>559076396
kys slopfag
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>>559076396
>not even editing out the fucking gemini logo
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>>559071468
lol why cheat in green ranks I swear to god
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>>559076396
that's not rem
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>>559076396
>brown hand
good morning saar
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I am slowly deranking by learning to play Paradox and Doorman, going from Oracle to Ritualist. So far no one has caught up to my devious tricks as I haven't been accused of throwing.
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>>559071468
I had a game like that but it also went to like 50 minutes. I could see a legit player who actually knew what they were doing and who was purposefully farming people being capable of that. Granted, he's still definitely a smurf.
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>>559077587
Its 100% a smurf due to the unstoppable buy, no one in new elo would know to buy that instead of mindlessly going left to right.
Could be a smurf and a cheater at the same time but either this nigga deserves to be perma banned.
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>>559071468
I had a game like this where it was a hypercarry haze on my team and hypercarry drifter on the enemy team, it dragged on to 70 minutes but we somehow won, drifter was something like 34/3 and haze 28/1, it was miserable for both sides because anybody but them would get melted instantly even with gun resist items
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>>559050919
I haven't seen this in ages. Much better than
>Venator mains owe me gay bara armpit sniffing
>bimbocore Celeste
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>Sticky Bomb replaced with Proximity Mine (techies)
I just fixed bebop
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>>559077796
Why did they remove the ability for Bebop to place bombs on himself? Just make it so that the bomb doesn't lvl up
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>>559077796
would be a good change unironically
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>>559075742
Sir, you need vitamins and minerals.
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>>559077796
>turning Hitler into Mecha-Mao-Stalin-Hitler-3000
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>enemy team flames me for running away as holliday
Kek these people want me to brawl or something
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>>559077796
I.... I like it, a good bebop can still pull people INTO the mines but thats no diff then just hooking and bombing. A lot less brain dead then the way bebop plays now
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Bebop's bombs and lasers don't seem all that fair for a pit fighter when his opponents are apparently just Popeye the Sailor with a grapple hook
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Just buy counterspell
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>>559077796
>>559078667
>bomb bebop but even stronger
why?
>bebop places bomb on their feet
>get hooked, get hit by bomb while still in the hook animation
>now you can't even fucking counterspell or dbr the bombs
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>>559078778
It's The Lash to you.
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>>559078924
just give them an arming time
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I love Abram's charging right past me, no part of his model even coming close to touching me, and then just yanking me into a stun anyway. This character deserves more hate.
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>>559078989
>just double jump it bro
>double jump
>still get dragged
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>>559080125
>Healing tempo
LET HIM COOK
HOLD LET HIM FUCKING COOK
>Doesn't even have vamp burst
Nevermind
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>>559077796
>dotafag trying not to try to change a game into dota challenge
You failed
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At what rank do I stop seeing L->R idiots?
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>>559080462
i... um...
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>>559080462
the build says to go left to right... why wouldn't I do what the build I'm copying says
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>>559078924
>NOOOOO WHY CANT I DELETE HEROES FROM THE GAME WITH ONE ITEM?
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>>559080626
>>559080696
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I wonder how much more popular these characters would be if they updated their models/designs and/or kits
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I'm a total noob. how do I play drifter effectively? I like his murderhobo vibe
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>>559080898
learn to slide, understand when you can go banana
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>All Yamato spells are now melee damage
>Damage type changes to spirit during shadow form, but still scales with melee bonuses behind the scenes
There, now stop calling her shit
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How the fuck do people jump out of slide and keep the momentum?
I either can't jump or lose all speed the moment i let go of my crouch key
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>>559080808
I've seen that shit happen in eternus 2 matches.
Eternus 1-5 is the new shitlow, my friend.
The other ranks aren't even real.
t. Eternus 1
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How the fuck do I play Victor? Whatever build I try, he still hits and dies like a wet noodle, while enemy vic with three t1 items manages to tank 2k damage and run away safely
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>>559081328
Land your 1s
Start learning how to move erratically during fights to maximize the fact that your main source of damage doesn't involve aim
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>>559081260
I would play Yamato again
>hitting someone with a crimson slash and healing almost 2k from lifestrike + max health heal
>>
In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations. The new needs friends.

Last weekend, I experienced something new, an extra-ordinary game from a singularly ordinary source. To say that both the game and its maker have challenged my preconceptions about fine gaming is a gross understatement. They have rocked me to my core. It is difficult to imagine more obvious origins than those of the genius' now cooking at Valve, who are, in this critic's opinion, nothing less than the finest devs in steam. I will be returning to Deadlock soon, hungry for more.
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>The ONLY DOORMAN guide you WILL ever NEED | By an ETERNUS 6 Support
>actually really shitty guide with tons of time wasted on basic stuff that you learn by reading the fucking skills, glosses over the specific techs of the character you need to succeed in a heartbeat, doesn't mention matchups or difficulties of the character, spends 20 minutes autistically listing door locations, reads the entire fucking store "just going this is good this is not good" followed by the worst game commentary I've ever heard.
Once again proving that not everyone is fit to teach or make write material.
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>>559081674
thought you were joking with the title but no lol, not surprised its made by that faggot
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>>559081540
Kino
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how do i play drifter? t. precisely 2 hours of playtime
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>>559081674
To be fair, the door locations are handy for a new doorman player.
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>>559080462
some heroes you can just L->R always
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>>559081674
That's because the video is a gateway to sell coaching sessions. In marketing we call that a funnel.
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>>559082151
Kinetic dash + Life Strike + Spirit Snatch + Toxic bullets are his core early-mid game items
You are a ganking hero so unlike literally everyone else do not be afraid of perma fighting. You want to snowball
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>>559069569
Congrats bro I'm glad to hear, love Ivy so much
I actually just got to ascendant as well and then lost it after losing 3 games in a row
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>>559082151
Use ult at the start of every team fight don't wait until it's almost over. It creates a lot of chaos and has low CD.
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>>559082874
was bomber ivy?
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what do i do against bebop? i ban him but i still have to lane against this retard character in like half of all my games
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>>559083013
Yeap
Last game was to a god doorman while our team was kinda unco at first, we didn't really recover after he dumped us onto walkers and in his base a few times
Still we made a damn good fight of it for 50 minutes, team took a few good mid fights and urns after I asked them to be less aggro, and we came pretty close to winning
Can't be too mad with a game like that
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>>559083189
simply play dynamo
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>>559083232
still got the ID for the build? Or it's the usual kazu
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>>559083189
Reactive barrier makes his hooks heal you so now you bait bebop into hooking you so can deal free damage to him or maybe even kill.
Bonus points if you have iframes to avoid giving him stacks.
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>>559082518
>paying for coaching sessions on a game in active development
grim...
>>559083189
If he lands his hooks : reactive barrier rush and punish him (hope your lane partner is aggressive after a hook too), once he puts a bomb on you his damage is nonexistent.
If he doesn't land his hooks : he will be looking to put the bomb on you himself, position yourself accordingly and if he overextends because he really wants those stacks punish him.
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brits are on the same level of subhuman as russians
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>>559083338
Sure, its ID is 497412
I do max kudzu first, but it's just as a crutch to clear waves and threaten if they take fights in bad spots. I prefer to get healing items up first, but lately I've been thinking of holding off on getting rescue till after I have at vortex + echo. Not sure, might try it out next game
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>>559083535
they always acte pedantic too, thinking having a mic turns them into leaders

>>559083547
ty
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>Finally get an uncontested 5 minute bridge rune
>its fucking movement
fuck you too game.
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>Play fps game
>25 minutes
>Nothing
>Play deadlock
>the very first 15 seconds
>Pause
>10 minutes
>Pause
>15 minutes
>Pause
>20 minutes
>Pause
>25 minutes
>Pause
I think only retarded faggots play this game.
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>>559068214
It's her best voiceline.
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>>559083535
If you can't handle my specific norf accent then just mute me bruv
lets be honest russian players tend to have the most meltdowns.
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>hit Eternus 1
>instantly have my worst game ever, 0/13/0
Off to a great start
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>>559083535
not even close
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>>559083717
having a meltdown > being passive agressive
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Divinity status:
Powerfoyl status:
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>>559083769
>hit Eternus 1
Why would you do that?
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>>559083535
No
The scale goes
Russians
French
A stop gap of outliers
Brits
The rest of us (europe)
Also a special shoutout to when east europeans start calling eachother russians when they're all some balkan or baltic state
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>>559083963
That's enough to get you on the public leaderboard in OCE.
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>>559084012
never heard a single french unless I spoke french myself to say dumb shit
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Played a few more games of gun Holliday and headshots being hard to hit really isn't the problem on this hero, but rather even when you do hit your headshots the damage is mediocre compared to any other M1 character.
You'll have about 2.5 attack speed so even if you had 100% headshot accuracy, Crackshot would only trigger once every 2 seconds or so for an extra 200 damage. The problem is that most of your burst comes from items, which have a cooldown that cannot be reduced. Literally any other hero like Geist could be building those items and doing very similar headshot damage.
Also even with a hybrid build the barrels are only good for proccing Mercurial Magnum.

She's decent in lane though and once you get your items it's fun to dink soullets for half their HP from across the map in the midgame (you'll never confirm the kill though because they'll just run away).
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>>559084068
No they all speak english in the game, which is why they're better than the Russians who only speak english 60% of the time, but the frenchmen I've met were all just as pissy as the average screaming russian.
I just would rather have someone I understood than someone who yells at me in some gobblygook at pretends he's better than me because I can't decipher his calls.
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>>559084051
You can get on the OCE leaderboard at Phantom 6.
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Brits can be annoying and smug but at least they don't cheat or rage even half as much as Russians. It really is another level entirely.
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all they need to do is remove the fucking bloodletting from shiv
and he would be allowed to function
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I have 450 hours and I just learned melee damage scales with gun and not just melee items.
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>>559084535
As long as you got there in the end, anon
That's what's important
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>>559084535
But do you understand that it only scales half as well so 12% melee damage is better than 20% weapon damage?
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everybody rages and talks shit equally, blaming just russians is confirmation bias
unironically had more people throw a melty over another teammate being russian than actual russians raging
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throwing bola
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>>559084796
>whiffes
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>>559084796
PETRIFIED
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So, who are your mains? I play Drifter, melee Venator and Lash.
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>>559084753
t. Russian

You're not gaslighting anyone, people have been playing online games in Europe for about 30 years. Everyone knows how horrible Russoid HIVans are in vidya.
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>>559085281
that's why the confirmation bias for the stereotype is so strong, retard
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>>559085213
Can you be my bf?
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>Scourge + Return Fire + Decay
i am now budget victor
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>>559085364
You're not going to deny my lived experiences in online vidya so you can propagate some false vision of how trad and based the average gopnik vidya player is. You will never be a human, Russki.
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I swear to GOD, half the time I use knockdown it targets the wrong god damn character, why the FUCK did they may the targeting area so god damn HUGE?
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>>559085630
>You're not going to deny my lived experiences in online vidya
yes, your anecdotal experiences fueled by confirmation biases like I said
truly valuable. if you took a moment to detach from them and actually analyze what's going on, you'd be surprised
but that'd also require you to not blame your teammates at every turn in mobas, something that 90% of the playerbase is completely incapable of doing due to their low IQ
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Just played my first game as Sinclair and holy fuck he is fun
>enemy starts to dive me because they see im 10%
>burn all my stamina/hex them/swap with assistant while they slowly go from 100 to 0 from my teammates and NPCs whittling them down
alternatively
>steal their ultimate and kill them with it
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>>559077535
Sprinkling in a few matches on doorman keeps me down in the gay baby ranks where I should be, as opposed to my crutch characters of choice that let me dominate
>gravy and page
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>>559085798
As I already said, you're not gaslighting anyone. You're probably the son of an oligarch who constantly goes on about how Russians have pro teams in vidya so that must mean all Russians are good at games.
>nooo Russians never cheat and never rage, it's not true, we are a based and redpilled gentlemanly society of fair players who are unfairly maligned
Nobody on Earth believes that, least of all you.
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Why can there be sexy skins hosted on mod sites for men characters (the Father) but ones for women get deleted (Graves)?
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>>559080462
It doesn't get better. I thought the anons were retards here for calling phantom/oracle pisslow because there is like 7 ranks before it but no, anon was right.
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>mm starts forcing losses
>switch to brawl and wait it out
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>>559086039
See what I mean? You're already in a state of permanently seething about russians - a perfect example of someone falling for confirmation biases.
You're exactly the kind of retard who throws a melty on minute 3 because his lane partner has cyrillic letters in the name and didn't read his mind perfectly about some dumbass lane fight. I've seen dozens of people like you, and it's unironically happening more often than a ruskie throwing a melty unprompted in russian
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>>559080845
Grey Talon is completely brokenly overpowered and the only thing stopping him from being played more is how fuck ugly his model is. Valve keep buffing him because they think people don't play him because he's underpowered, so now he's overtuned to fuck because people actually don't play him because he's ugly.
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>>559086227
Didn't read. You will never be a human, pidor.
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>>559086227
>>559085798
nta but everytime I get kicked down into low priority queue I play EXCLUSIVELY with Russians no matter the time of day. Make of that what you will
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>>559086126
wait there are actual graves mods that aren't just retextures?
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>>559086321
>Didn't read.
I didn't expect anything more from you, so doesn't really matter
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>>559080845
I would play Yamato if she didn't have the worst model in the game, I don't want to get used to a design that will obviously be replaced.
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>>559086340
Low prio queue in EU is 90% Russians unironically. I barely ever see them in normal queue above Oracle these days.
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>>559085213
Pocket and Venator. Rest of the prio heroes Viscous / Seven / Calico but rarely do I get them.
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>>559083535
Brits are a close second.
>>559083880
Yea they almost always act passive aggressive and full of themselves.
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>>559080845
I'm put off from playing Vyper despite liking the sliding stuff because I'm worried she's going to get a full rework when they add her model.
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>>559085213
Ivy, Calico, Mirage are my current high prio heroes
might replace Mirage with Venator once the new hero queue thing is gone
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>russians really think they can gaslight europeans into believing that they dindu nuffin and are good boys in games after 25+ years of counter-strike cheaters, ragers, scriptkiddies, etc.
Lol.
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>>559086574
Thats the thing, I'm an amerifat... I had to wait for forty god damn minutes to get into a low priority game, all Russians. I'm convinced they just make up 90% of ALL the low priority queue.
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>>559086864
Russians region hop to avoid playing with other Russians. This was observed in 2024 Deadlock when Valve segregated them to their own servers until they cried and cried on the forum for weeks about how being forced to play with other Russians was so terrible and how they were one of the good ones and wanted to play on EU instead of Russian servers. Don't believe a word when some zigger apologist says that Russians are chill and cool people, they can't even stand eachother.
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>>559082624
when should I leave my lane to start roaming for kills?
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>>559085213
We're the same!
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>getting Apollo every single game on EU at Phantom without using the token
Guess people have given up on him despite him being "gamebreakingly overpowered bullshit uncounterable and wins every single game (less than 50% of games)". Personally I always thought that sounded strange since I seem to get countered by anyone who buys a combination of spirit resilience, spellbreaker or slowing hex.
>>
C&C
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how does rem helpers using sinners work? seems sometimes I don't get buffs and stuff so idk if it's a bug or am I supposed to stick around while they work
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drifterbros what build are we running?
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>>559080845
the only way I see vyper being popular is if they anthropomorphize the shit out of her with her model update, I'm talking mother bearing hips and shit, which they won't of course
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>>559086126
She's an 18 year old toddler, if you find her attractive you are mentally ill.
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>>559087424
i've heard it's a thing where you want to use them when the timers are multiples of three? like at 8:03, 8:06, 8:57, etc. that's when the the buffs naturally activate, and the sleepers attack the sinners at a consistent speed. or this could be full of shit idk, it's just something i heard somewhere and have never tested myself
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>manages to keep up with supernatural entites, monsters, and gods using only a grapple hook, boxing glove and his raw strength
Every character shits on Lash, but he's unironically one of the most skilled hero lore-wise
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I just cant deal enough damage with holiday to compensate the pick. I dont know whats up... i can deal regular damage with rem and its the same thing, a hero with 1 ability.
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which characters would drop the nigger word?
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>>559087868
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>>559087735
He's only on par with everyone for the sake of gameplay, otherwise drifter would rape everyone dead
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>>559087868
Bebop, just not where Ms. Shelly could hear him
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>>559086126
I remember being in a Rivals modding server back at launch to make some mods and they banned Penny Parker mods because, get this, her age wasn't mentioned in Rivals canon
Basically admitting they do find her attractive even if she's not 18 but only if you change absolutely nothing about her other than saying she's 18 now you can go and lewd her, it's so stupid
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>>559087868
yamato
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>>559087868
hes an honorary one to be fair
>>
oddballest game that ever odballed. stuck between the wokesphere of cute characters, fun abilities and juicy combos and the incelsphere of endless text, tectonic gameplay and competitive dickwaving.
brawl vs deadlock, one has to go. can't mix the waters anymore, lines have been drawn.
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>>559088001
Modern tranny discourse on fictional character ages and their human rights is tiresome. Especially when it comes from people who molest children IRL.
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>>559088137
Nobody said that and nobody asked
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>>559072451
Nothing Apollo
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>>559063395
SHADOW OF EAGLES ACROSS THE MOON
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>>559087868
I feel like Paige would scream it if a black guy was harassing her. She looks the type.
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>>559072451
C&C
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>>559088178
for no apparent reason and without any prior warning, I did
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>>559088137
>warmup and practice heros in brawl
>use knowledge gained of their kit to better lane in full games
>rinse and repeat
Here's your (you) stinky
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>>559087927
Seven and Doorman would SODOMIZE lil drifta fella.
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>>559087868
Viper (thought she got the pass from her crack dealer, did NOT)
Rem (Heard Haze say it)
Viktor (trying to figure out if any parts of him are black)
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>>559087868
She would never say a new-wave word like that. She'd say "negro"
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>>559087135
Depends, honestly ult is a good timer for it but so is bridge buffs. Just make sure to communicate with your lanemate and team that you're gonna gank x lane.
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>>559088703
>I wonder if I an say it...
>NIGGER
>black hand starts violently thrashing him
KINO
https://youtu.be/SrYSMKkCYsE?si=u2Zudqxrb18ex1wr
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so when are they reworking venator? how can a gun centric char like him become a melee bot? this is unacceptable
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>abrams builds healing + punch items
>motherfucker refuses to die even with healbane on him
ebin
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>>559088532
>Seven
Imagine being such a danger to the world that your executioners wanted your soul straight up deleted just so there's no possibility of you ever coming back
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>>559087927
Drifter is just up his own ass. It's clear he's no longer top dog and he's insecure about the troubadour taking the title of "The Big Bad".
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>>559087424
somebody is likely stealing the buff at the last minute
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Who is the wokest character in this game in lore? and the chuddest?
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>>559087868
Drifter, only to ragebait
Warden hatefully when the body cam is off
Apollo when only his Ixian friends are around
Kelvin casually when he believes the conversation is in confidence
Infernus in an Uncle Ruckus type way
Dynamo used to say it, stopped in college
Seven says it for fun
Geist says it when angered by them
Mohammed and Kareem believe they are allowed to say it
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>>559088990
celeste and seven
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>Seven team-mate has a full blown meltdown because Rem keeps taking the sinners
>Cries GG go next
>Still manage to carry and leave him with a 'ur welcome :)'
This game is great at making you the pettiest fucker alive I never used to be like this.
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>>559082518
this, anyone making "guides" is incentivized to misinform you so that you come to them to purchase coaching sessions.
you should not trust or watch any of the faggots that offer this "service".
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>want to play a m1gger carry sometimes
>warden is overpowered but looks fucking terrible
>venator is slightly less strong overall but looks way cooler
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Geist acts like she's such a progressive but freezes up when you ask about her book "On the Ixians and Their Lies" she published in 1889
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Escalating res on graves yea or nay?
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Can someone tell me how:
>gay devil fencer
>le catholic gun man
>just a werewolf girl
>necromancer schoolgirl
>furry quirk chungus
>tumblr girl
>gook vampire
all belong in a game about 1920s new york?
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>>559088493
seems to be the intended progression, but does that really happen? "full game" is ancient game design, with dozens of games offering that exact hour-long back and forth to communities of a certain reputation. brawl is made from concentrate, all the parts that work from the main game in a smaller context with quick rounds.
The atmosphere and vibe is very different in those modes, communication is much more angry in deadlock than brawl which attracts different players and since invites are done by referral for now this sets the tone for which this games community will be judged.
I get a feeling that valve knows exactly what they're doing. yet another dota variant should be far below their paygrade
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Damn I just got hard carried in a match, it kind of sucks. Finished the game 0/5/10 while my lane partner was 0/10/15 but the Vindicta, Abrams and Bebop on our team had a combined 50 kills and 3 deaths
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>>559089307
they all fit with the supernatural, occultism theme of the game in one way or the other. monsters, monster hunters, or magic users etc.
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>>559089240
>venator is slightly less strong
EXCUSE ME WHAT?
He's like S+tier right now nigga
Not to say Warden isn't op busted either but I would generally say Venator is stronger. Echo Shard gutshot has so little counterplay its hilarious
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>>559089307
i can excuse rem because of the implications that haze dreams of him to cope with her work
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>>559089307
Apollo is not gay. Him and Graves are the primary heterosexual representation in the game.
>>559089057
You mean Celeste is the chuddest, right? She's the only character who refers to Pocket as a he/him.
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>>559089641
Other heroes perfectly blend the occult supernatural elements with the 1920s theme see Abrams, Wraith, Geist, Ivy, Dynamo, Infernus, Sinclair, but some are almost indistinguishable from generic fantasy character. Like you could put Apollo and Graves in League and it would not be out of place.
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>>559089307
Niggas be like "new characters don't fit" when the og cast has a laser-firing robot, 5head samurai, lightning skull man, and Bigweld from Robots
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>>559089059
Remniggers who steal their own side's sinners deserve to be impaled.
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>>559090013
>Leave sinners
>no one takes then
>decide to take it on my 4th driveby
>seething
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>>559089948
>Neon Prime models
are you a retard by chance?
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>>559090096
graves, apollo, celeste, mina, drifter, venator, silver etc. all fit the new york occultic noir setting more than ivy and abrams does
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Yamato clicked for me but I don't want people to think I'm a weeb, or worse, a Yasuo main.
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>>559090058
Honestly this is the funniest outcome I had a support game where my team ignored sinners so long they doubled up so I started doing them just to deny the enemy and then our apollo screamed over voice chat for 2 minutes.
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>>559089059
Only had this happen to me a handful of times
But having a Viscious tell me "it won't happen again" when I killed him once after a horrible lane made me petty
He never got me again, and I made sure to type "happened again" every time I killed him afterwards...
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>>559075742
https://youtu.be/kdvMlsXg_pc?si=Ec7H3h4IlnOa2wkB
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Mina has sex with men.
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>>559090210
No one will think that till she actually looks like a japanese person
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>>559090160
>devilman private dick when noir is a staple genre of the year it was set
>spic gargoyle wearing recognizably 20s fashion and a modified sten gun
>these are somehow less occult noir than fucking venator or graves or silver
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>>559090096
>Dynamos lore will be reworked
>Bebops not going to continue being a robot
>Sevens model isn't iconic enough to persist past a slight alteration
do u really belieb
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>early 1900's blue-collar detective demon
YAAAAAAAAAY
>early 1900's stuck up bartender demon
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
>early 1900's posh high school demon
NOOOOOOO REEEEEE NOOOOOOOOOOO IM FREAKING OUTTTTT
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>>559090505
how is he stuck up?
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Which character's have guns that feel nice to use, I'm really liking paradox' gun
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>>559090096
Most of the cast having models from when the game was futuristic is a good example of how the 'old good, new bad' argument is retarded, however.
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I like Paige and Graves but let's be real they're way too modern they're fucking 90s-core at the very least
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I hope draft mode never gets added that's total bullshit
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>1920's means Catholics, Asains, and Werewolfs don't exist
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>>559090591
Pockets shotgun feels punchy without feeling slow
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>>559090641
I like draft mode because having your matchmaking comp be up to complete RNG sucks ass but draft enables people to just blame their teammates even more by telling them they should have picked glorpo instead of scrimblo and they threw the game
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>singsing played deadlock forever
>still alchemist (bottom 20% of playerbase)
? I thought his transition should have improved his skill
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>>559090623
Don't forget Billy.
>prohibition era punk rocker
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but it's not the real world, valve never said it's a realistic accurate depiction of the real world, all they've said is it's an occult noir americana setting and there's boxes that say 1934 on them but since it's fiction there's no reason they can't have a 1980's punk goat called billy
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>>559088874
He is staking people i don't see why that wouldn't hurt like hell
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>>559090641
On one hand draft mode would mean you'd only ever play against the same 10-15 meta heroes like dota and league, but on the other hand is really sucks when the enemy team has characters that just hard counter half your team like Ivy vs half the cast with ground based abilities.
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>>559090674
they're not common staples of the noir genre nigga
New Yorkers have no catholic presence. Their Christian reputation should be evangelical, radical inquisitor man wouldn't even be present in any media or fiction around that time.
Yamato should not be some samurai woman, most asians are portrayed as over the top kungfu orientals or old as balls monks. Japan wasn't even in the consciousness of the average newyorker in the 20s, the Asian rep should be Chinese.
Werewolves are not common monsters in the 20s, that's why ghosts like Vindicta or Frankensteins like Victor fit but werewolves don't.
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>>559090952
you're too autistic
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>>559089307
>catholic gun man doesn't make sense in occult 1920s America
Bro, your Call of Cthulau?
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>>559090952
>staples of the noir genre
Oh, he's a retard.
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>>559091060
>>559091028
media illiterate
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>>559090543
Touch the ground already you filthy gargoyle
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>>559090884
you barely gain mmr in parties
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We need more black heroes to make New York 1920 more authentic.
>Rapper hero
>Crack dealer hero
>Basketball hero
There's a lot of archetypes that can be utilized here but Valve is too lazy to go out side the box.
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>>559090591
I like Doorman's with some velocity items but you shouldn't play gunman he's kind of shit
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>>559091182
>crack
>in the 1920s
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>>559064085
>just play like an israeli
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>>559091172
weren't people saying you need to stack to rank up?
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I will never learn how to move effectively in this game
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>>559090884
Isn't he like Oracle by now? If you take a long break your mmr decays to shit
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>>559091182
It's 1920, the blacks of that time were the Italians
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Think i'm done with this game for now. I've had my fun over the last few days but i'm regressing and i'm just gonna take a break before I turn into a salty faggot who gets angry when matches don't go his way and maybe i'll come back sometime down the line
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>>559090952
Are you retarded? Catholics still made up a large population of the faithful in New York. They're a much a staple as any Christian representation in noir pieces
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>>559088998
>Mohammed and Kareem
lel
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>>559091526
>play fighting games
>lose, don't really get mad or upset, just think about what I should have done better
>play this game
>lose and feel like fucking shit
I think it's because of how fucking long matches are
40 minutes of feeling useless or like nothing you do matters feels so damn bad
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>never participate in any fight
>ignore team mates crying
>ult up? time to steal their jungle
>ult down? time to do our jungle
>stamina mastery to be an omnipresent force to clear waves at maximum speed
>enemies forget theres' a victor in the match
>show up out of nowhere
>rape the enemy and win
simple as that
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>>559087868
She has Turret Syndrome.
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>>559091659
Yeah that's sorta how I feel, sometimes you just get a shit match up on a lane and they snowball then you end up feeding and it becomes this whole long drawn out thing where your team is behind on souls and getting powerscaled and there's not really any comeback
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>>559091659
>>play this game
>>lose and feel like fucking shit
because comebacks are very rare no matter how much faggots here will claim they happen all the time, matches often stretch for 30-40 minutes often times longer than that too because people don't want to end asap, you can usually tell how a match will go by 5-10 minutes and you're locked in there unable to do shit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea4QB_SZO2c
As was foretold, Apollo plays Apollo
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>>559090952
Venator is not even American though. I think he fits thematically as a priest on a crusade against the occult but not aesthetically as his outfit feels too modern. Yamato's story fits the bill and is compelling enough with all the factions at play, though I agree a supernatural shaolin kung fu master would be more fitting. I can't much speak for her redesigns since they are very much subject to change but tattooing was illegal at the time in Japan and so they often made them easy to conceal, so her design as a whole feels a bit too 'in your face' for someone trying to make a place for her gang.
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>>559091812
>no ability to ff
what were they thinking
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>>559087868
None because Deadlock takes place in a hyper progressive parallel universe which is why being opposed to the mass-migration of literal trans-dimensional demon people is considered "controversial" in 1949
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>>559091857
i can't even tell if he's british or american
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>>559090952
Japan wasn't in the consciousness of the average newyorker so japanese people and samurai do not exist at all, hmm I see.
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>>559092032
>Now I know your father is a warlord and you're literally a demon but ... as long as you respect the black folks (Infernus included) we'll let you ride with us
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>>559092056
I assume he's an Ixian that had private English tutors growing up
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>>559091857
>tiny channel
vros does that mean I could voice act a character
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>>559092156
no i'm talking about the voice actor
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>>559090543
Equivalent of knowing kung fu when I bring a gun to the fight.

Use the rope up you filthy animal.
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>>559091250
That's cope from people getting stomped by duo queuers.
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>>559092210
american
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>>559091857
>white guy playing red guy
umm this is kinda controversial
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>https://gamebanana.com/mods/657135

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASED
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>>559090641
I think a casual mode with the current system and a ranked mode with draft would be good. It'd be aids if they made draft the casual mode
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how does rem fit into the noir genre?
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>>559091812
you can comeback but a team that was stomped early on obviously doesn't know how to do it, they couldn't even try to stay safe and farm camps and boxes while waiting for the wave and would rather die 20 times
guess who out of these 3 blamed someone else for losing a 5v4 and the game after we managed to come back in souls
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>>559091857
>Chester Rushing III
>lists himself as Hispanic on IMDB
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>>559092495
He's a little nigger. A niglet, if you will.
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>draft gets added because all the freaks here want it
>enemy team drafts all the op characters anyway
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>>559090928
I expect the main problem being getting flamed for picking heroes that are actually good but ecelebs downplay or "bad comp" if any retard eceleb puts out a "role guide" that actually gets popular
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i will never play draft because i can only play two characters
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i play mina, i'm not good at mina but i'll still continue playing her and getting her every match
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Counterpoint to all above mentioned points:
Silver.
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>>559092680
draft is cope, people act like bad drafts don't happen and then now you have to deal with people getting their mains banned out.
rather skip the 5 minutes of bullshit and just play the fucking game.
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when are we getting our noir idols?
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>Gets an invite.
>"Huh, game is fun. Paige, Rem and Mina are characters I enjoy playing!"
>Watch tutorials, roam, take Sinners, research builds.
>I'm not even close to good compared to others, but doing objectives like jar and soul farming help me win a lot of games.
>Suddenly, my team does nothing but try to get kills.
>Enemies always know what to do and where to go, claiming jar becomes impossible.
>Drifter, Silver and Apollo mind readers who always know what item you're gonna useand carry the game alone.
>Many defeats in a row, no way to end games earlier because there's no surrender button.
>I've been paired against Archons, with people in my team complaining because this is their first game out of bots.
>Games become about getting stomped without the ability to attempt a comeback, or stomping the enemy team who are likely a couple of high rank players crippled by idiots.
>No draft/ban system.

Is Valve really hoping this will somehow succeed?
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>>559093176
>Enemies always know what to do and where to go, claiming jar becomes impossible.
are you playing in eternus or something? even in ascendant people just sneak the urns because they're free half the time
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>>559093176
>Is Valve really hoping this will somehow succeed?
it still has 100k people a month later after the patch and is a massive success on the internet so yeah
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>>559092638
>make black bird character
>steals stuff
uhhh not very hecking woke valve
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>>559093176
>Paige, Rem and Mina are characters I enjoy playing!
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What characters do you think will have the highest winrate difference between a standard and draft mode?
I think Billy will get a big WR improvement since some characters just hard-counter him
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>>559093176
>>I've been paired against Archons, with people in my team complaining because this is their first game out of bots.
>>Games become about getting stomped without the ability to attempt a comeback, or stomping the enemy team who are likely a couple of high rank players crippled by idiots.
this happened to me, i had a few games where it felt like both teams were on equal-footing skillwise, i won a couple and lost a couple, and then the past few days it's been nothing but utter dogshit. it's always a stomp one way or the other and i end up lagging behind, i feel like i'm in a skill range i really don't belong in
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>>559093025
My cute jobber wife is going to get first picked every pro game and do nothing!
She's that good!
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>>559048737
I think he's actually more influenced by the vampires from the movie Near Dark. That movie depicts vampires as pathetic murder hobos who roam around killing and sleeping through the day in abandoned cars and shit. I feel like drifter started out similarly unglamorous before the developed the character further.
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>>559093434
Sinclair easy
Any hero with aids ult (Dynamo, Lash, Apollo, Celeste, Graves) makes him almost comically OP
He's only held back by really bad team comps.
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>>559093434
Paradox is the definition of.
>Not really remarkable
>But extremely good in coordinated teams with drafts, because she is a useful counter pick and a pick character.
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>>559093464
Not many heroes are first pick/ban material like she is.
It's a tough burden to shoulder, but Lilah Silver is up to the task!
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>>559093830
For me its Lystic Silver
Only he can lose a game with 50k soul advantage! Truly worth the first pick silver
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>>559087735
He's cheating. He uses some kind of wind spirits to prance around
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Best player to watch to learn how to Celeste? Eido?
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patch today?
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How many more people of uhh unfortunate color will make it into the game?
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>>559092032
idk deadlock seems pretty based
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>>559090952
>the noir genre
I really feel like some of you niggas saw Abrams and just assumed that was the entire setting. How were you even expecting them to keep adding in characters if you're going to cry that a werewolf wasn't a popular enough monster a fucking century ago?

The game doesn't even take place in the 1920s, you ignorant retard. It's the 1940s.
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>>559091491
The "it's the 1920s" it's just an excuse. I was giving icefrog the benefit of the doubt at the beginning since the game was hastily repurposed into deadlock, but with the recent characters added to the roster, they don't give a shit about making the look like they come from that historical period. Just look how Billy looks: he looks like a British punk from the 1970s, and his gun looks even more modern than that. Plus i don't like the overall more "asian" visual style they're going for.
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>>559094247
Cadence will be blue.
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how do you play billy when everyone uses parry perfectly timed
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>>559094247
need a character thats each color of the LGBT flag
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>>559048737
Drifted reads to me as a reference to Lestat from Interview with a Vampire. Very similar characters down to the homoerotic undertones.
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>>559093924
>Team with Abrams wins
woah
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>>559094619
Rank down enough to where they don't have autoparry.
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>>559094619
spam uzi point-blank and do light melee
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You can usually tell who's meant to be "in the right" by who gets the last word in the exchange
In this case it's clearly Infernus, who manages to be both a nigger AND a migrant at the same time
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>>559094593
>Plus i don't like the overall more "asian" visual style they're going for.
jesus christ you're pathetic the game looks better than ever you're the kind of retarded faggot that would rather wish for neon prime, concord and highguard
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>>559089307
I can get Venator, Silver, Mina, Rem, etc...
Apollo is debatable.
Graves design generally sucks.
Billy has a great but anachronistic design and feels a bit out of place.
Personally I think Celeste's jacket fucking sucks.
Also it's 1935s to 1950s. 1934 Minimum. We're past the 1920s.
>>559089948
>lightning skull man
>wears literal white and black prisoner fatigues
>has a bunch of old timey coils on him
Not the best example.
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>>559094325
damn nigga why infernus gotta be sellin out his culture and sheeeeeeeeit
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>>559094593
don't show this guy neon prime
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>>559094787
whoops forgot your (You)
>>559094325
>>
>first game after getting to oracle
>on victor
>phantom Paige on my team vacuums up all the farm in both side lanes, refuses to actually support, then blames me for the loss when she, personally, starved me out of 20k souls
>second oracle game
>get seven instead
>dynamo and rem on my team vacuum up all the farm in both side lanes, our jungle, and our sinners
>both refuse to support
>neither touch the enemy's sinners or jungle at all
>both blame me for the loss despite me being 30k behind the enemy warden directly snd explicitly because of their actions
>deranked back to Archon 6
Is this shit what I can expect in every oracle+ game?
If so: I'm going to sandbag back down to Ritualist.
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>>559093464
Imagine being her husband and her coming home drunk and snifflng as she cries "I GOT FIRST PICKED EVERYTIME AND LOST EACH GAME."
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>>559095095
Oracle is the new shitelo, yes.
>t, oracle 6 player one-two wins away from phantom
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>>559095209
I never had these problems in any rank below Oracle...
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>>559093251
How do I check that? Last game I was against a Billy that grabbed the Urn EVERY SINGLE TIME, I pinged, stunned him, tried to stop him, but he got backup; my team would see him pass in front of them and let him go. Every. Single. Time.
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>>559094829
Fuck off nigger, stop putting words in my mouth. I wish they went for a more "dark" direction, but i get fucking twilight sparkle instead and stencil stile outlines. Neon prime was a turd visually
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are dash jumps worth doing?
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https://archiveofourown () org/works/80501526
Here you go deadtards. I have some Silver smut all finished up now, and it's even got a little romance and drama in it! It might maybe need another editing pass, but that's for when it's not 3AM.
She's a really fun character to write, too. I tried to be as respectful of her character (what we know of it) as I could - I did make SOME things up out of necessity (like I wasn't sure if she's renting a flat or an apartment, so I went with apartment), but I sourced as much as I could about her from her dialogue (like her having a car).
If you enjoy it at all, or even if you didn't, please let me know.
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Spirit life steal is too strong with items like reverb burn and scroll and even if you're getting your healing cut you can just infoose.
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I have no idea what the fuck im doing
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>>559093141
it could be done
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>>559087868
Seven, while ulting, letting out one long continuous NIGGERRRR
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>>559096085
you assuredly know more than me
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>>559087868
Celeste, she's a working class New Jersey girl, in a freakshow at the circus and doesn't respect Pocket's pronouns.
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>>559093176
>>No draft/ban system.
kys retard you WILL NOT limit what characters i can or can not play
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Yamato should have a voice line where she says this when she kills Apollo.

Someone post it on the forums for me because I'm not making an account
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>>559096591
>>559096591
>>559096591
>>559096591
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>>559095956
Awesome.
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