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Knockdown Edition
>Latest patch:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/01-30-2026-update.102822/post- 207811
>Steam Page:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/
>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/
>How do I git in?
Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.
>How do I git gud?
Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.
Additional Resources:
>Unofficial Wiki
https://deadlock.wiki
>Collection of useful character builds
https://deadlockmeta.com/
>New Player Guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gN JQC_fMGMU/edit
>Advanced Movement Guide
https://www.dlmovement.wiki/
>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)
https://statlocker.gg/
https://tracklock.gg/
>Unofficial Competitive News
https://www.deadfrag.com/
>Unofficial Voiceline Viewer
https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/
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Silver!
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Sex with Venator
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can i get ONE DECENT VICTOR in my TEAM that isn't ME
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Yurilock
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Why didn't these people play dota?
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>Start playing Venator because I can actually get him consistently now
>He's insanely fun and I end up carrying most games
Holy fuck, Yoshi actually made a fun m1gger, I hate Wraith and Haze because I think they're boring and it's very refreshing to have a hero who has both fun abilities and multiple viable builds instead of a hard meta (like what old Viscious had before nerfs made punch build the only viable one)
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IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THE WORLD
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Did he influence drifter, or would it have been too short of a window for them to make a whole new character between when the movie came out and he got added?
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>>559046605
>strengths: dude she just jumps on you and instakills you it's so op
>weaknesses: everything
>verdict: S+
So it seems, so it seems
Seriously though was this list made by an initiate or an eternus? For real
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gay sex with apollo
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>>559049227
Every match of Silver is a diceroll on wherever enemy team buts CC for her or not. The chances of it are directly proportional to the lobby rank.
Well never see Silver in pro play if she won't get buffed
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>tfw viscous decides you're the one he wants to spam punch on over and over and over again in every single teamfight
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>>559048075
>Got Infinite bullets on Graves
Guess what happened next
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Is we joining
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>>559049892
Post your best team name
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>>559048737
I think that drifter was planned out beforehand, but Remmick absolutely had to be an influence on drifter’s characterization. There are too many shared factors between them for it to be entirely a coincidence
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>the matchmaking algorithm doesn't prioritize making sure that everyone in the team and/or the match is archon 1 for example but instead prioritizes the average rank of everyone combined being archon 1
explains a lot why it's so bad
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Daughter who I love eternally and forever (in other words, very much)
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>have Drifter as my only double prio hero
>don't get him
>nobody in the lobby has him
I didn't look at the bans so maybe he was banned but if that is the case why the fuck even put me in that game? Just fucking wait and put me in a game where he's not banned/ God the way hero selection and bans in this game works is so fucking retarded.
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>>559050315
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Mx-ouEMWs
this needs to play when drifter ults
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>>559047762
The black woman of Valve unoriginality. These are two different characters.
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What is the point of the bonus spirit damage on Haze's fixation?
50 spirit damage every 20 shots seems pretty terrible.
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I'm killing myself
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>>559048737
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>>559049987
Uh huh, sure, ignore bombs which got buffed to do more damage, her dash with heals her and damages. Cat? Free movement. Then her ult is fucking busted, makes her invincible and resets her other cooldowns.
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>>559051269
Cat does NOTHING in Brawl. It's literally not an ability.
Calico's strength is in her mobility around the map and roaming. In a mode where there's one lane and roaming has no value, it's obvious she needs something to compensate.
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nice lane niggers
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They were retards but they also both have abysmal guns for last hitting and silver always killed creeps for some reason instead of letting them die or meleeing them.
Easiest lane ever, we didnt even fight them coz they hit hard af, I just said they can't last hit and focused boxes and denies.
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MY TEAMMATES ARE ALL MORONS
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>>559052284
do be like that sometimes
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>>559051619
Letting her spam an invincible double burst damage ult does not make up her any sort of bad kit. It just accentuates how broken her fucking ult is. If she's nothing without her ult, fucking remove it and make the rest of her kit let reliant on it. At that rate, just give her 100% uptime on it so she can literally never take damage for even a frame
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>>559052929
The auto pings fucking suck and I wish they would remove them. When I ping someone that I'm on the way, it's automatically a caution ping and my retard teammates will back up if I don't say it out loud on mic, even if they're winning the fight
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>>559050919
What? Haze is cool as fuck. The only issue is that they should have kept her long hair.
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How can the matchmaking be this bad?
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>>559053970
>t.
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>My friend who is mediocre as fuck at this game and uses metro builds but at least played strong characters like abrams or haze swapped mains to Silver.
>Silver is MY main and now I have to flip a coin on top of other people queuing for silver, getting his feeding, overextending, Optional-item ignoring, L2R ALWAYS, lightning scroll-pilled ass on her.
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what celeste build do i use
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>>559055243
source engine is the only one that allows good movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ngi_R7Hw-E
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>>559055830
Each color of item gets a huge power spike at 4.8k investment in said color so depending on your hero even if you're not a primarily spirit damage dealing hero it can be advantageous to still get 4.8k worth of spirit items.
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no bro you dont get it this character is a carry so its ok that they're totally fucking OP and superior to 99% of the cast its called being a carry they don't have to change anything its perfectly balanced since its a carry
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>>559055830
The game never explains it, but if you hold tab and hover over your spirit level, and each of thr stat bars on the lower left, you see stat growth breakdowns. You get a buff for having a certain amount in each color item with 4.8k being the most significant cost:benefit
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>>559054571
you know that made me think how i unironically spent hours on diablo3mindlessly walking around
victor really is the same experience
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... incoming transmission from mayor of new york
MIRAGE IT'S YOUR LONG LOST BROTHER MAMDANI, I NEED YOU TO SAVE NEW YORK, BY KILLING REM, DO IT NOW OR THE RITUAL WILL FAIL
Rem located
FUCK YOU MIRAGE, YOU AND MAMDANI WONT CATCH ME IF I MAKE IT TO THE ISLAND IN TIME
Get in position.. FLANK. THAT. RAT.
Target locked
NOW'S YOUR CHANCE, KILL THAT RAT.
Don't make me solo ult you..
Knock down activated
QUICK, USE YOUR "TWO"
Optimal Djinn marks achieved
USE YOUR "THREE", YOU HAVE EIGHT STACKS YOU DON'T NEED ANY MORE!
oo..
Owl rat neutralized
Great work, head back to Headquarters for briefing
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What's the counterplay to Drifter's ult? guy presses R and I literally can't see anything and none of my targetted skills can land on anyone.
Surely there's got to be some weakness to it besides trying to counterspell it.
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>>559056202
This but unironically
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I see, thanks
I'm guessing each hero has a color they generally want to hit investment in first? is there like a guide for that somewhere or will it be obvious the more I play?
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retard
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>>559056376
if im not the one ult'd, i literally scream in mic "LET ME BE YOUR EYES" and direct them or lead them etc
think thats what they wanted because that pos ult can last 9-10 fucking seconds. so comms is literally the only way imo
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>Drifter presses 4
>hear this approaching in the distance https://youtu.be/5Zlz6CA6JCg?si=9ZZ3D50ccN2u7vui
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losing the first guardian doesn't feel that bad, if anything i found that it makes certain things easier to do as the enemy grows overconfident + farming the lane is easier
when it dies fast, farming the lane always feel dangerous since you have to go deeper in their base
is my thought process incorrect? i never contest the guardian that hard but i also play like a pussy early game
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>>559051532
They spent all the time making out
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>>559056427
All categories has items for some type of hero, and everyone will want at least 1 big green item, so it's not something to worry about too much. 99% of thr time your build will hit 4.8 in all 3 without trying
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>>559054986
Sadly, not always a guarantee to be that close to a line, wall is a little more reliable, but still a chance it hits
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+50% movespeed with no friction, so she turns on a dime
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>they need to be mega farmed at theend of a game to be useful
except most of the carries in this game are literally never bad. hell the only reason people say infernus is bad because he kind of works like how you describe, bad at the start and good at the end
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>mfw new player and have went against an obvious smurf stack 4 times in a row with even their worst player having 1.5 times the highest soul count of ours
I'm guessing there's no unranked or only solo queue option, is there.
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>>559058848
How is it a comeback mechanic? Just give both team all 12 fucking slots from the start of the game like literally every other MOBA in existence. Literally how does locking item slots behind taking objectives make the game any better? You don't need extra incentive to take walkers when taking objectives is the entire fucking goal of the game.
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>>559059523
I run into this all the time it's not like I'm complaining for nothing. My retards lose their lanes and it makes it impossible to push anything and unlike them I know how to farm so I'm stuck with 3 slots locked, I have enough to buy my next item, but no slot so I have to sell something useful to buy a 6.4k item.
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Which is better for a late game m1 carry? Siphon bullets or leech?
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wait warden is actuallly fun af
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there are no balance problems with the game until they fix them. haze could be buffed to do 10,000% extra damage and /dlg/ would find some excuse to say that actually, she's perfectly balanced and you are just pisslow. of course when that buff is finally walked back these same people will start glazing yoshi for saving the game, finally nerfing that tyrant, she was so broken thank you valve for listening to the players!!
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I really like investing two levels into the cage and putting the 800 ability range item on it, the extra range is enough to catch most people off-guard and the duration is super long, you can cheese a good couple of kills with it
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>>559060206
he is easily one of the strongest heroes in the game. gun hits like a truck from minute 0 and never stops hitting hard, gets more base health and better scaling than basically everyone other than bebop, good movement + free shields, good ult cc and ability spam, he has it all. frankly he needs some kind of nerf, he's good at everything its unfair. m1 carry but has more health and hp scaling than abrams? come on at least the other m1ggers are glass cannons
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>team conga lines into 1v6 despite a 20k soul lead and we lose the game
>they keep split pushing the one lane without a walker up
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>intense lane against mina as apollo
>really close fights and clutch escapes from both sides throughout the laning phase
>then post-lane mina buys a slowing hex
>just give her a long look of disappointment
no respect for the game...
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>>559061126
it's wolf-themed bolas. But the placement is stupid as hell
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Deadlock needs more characters like
>graves
>mo and krill
>victor
>bebop
>kelvin
>paige
Deadlock needs to remove these characters and never add characters like
>paradox
>haze
>mina
>vindicta
>wraith
>holliday
>vyper
>geist
>shiv
>warden
>infernus
>mirage
>venator
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>>559061327
>more characters like paige
absolutely the fuck not
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>>559061213
leaving if this is my lane
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>>559061430
I watched that autistic retard for 1 minute and closed the stream
>non stop yapping and responding to or talking about random shit
>just feels like he's tweaking non stop
this nigga is some extreme unsettling case of adhd
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I genuinely fucking thought these were wolf themed charms, I totally fucking forgot about her bolas because they don't look like them.
Now I gotta fucking edit my ai chatbot.
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*hooks you*
*waits 1 second as you humiliate yourself by parrying nothing*
*puts bomb on you and walks away*
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I accept your concescion
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Every m1gger melts people when they get fed. That's their job. He would be literally unplayable if he wasn't capable of that. I don't think Infernus does a lot early on and even late game he's not some supreme dominating force compared to other carries. I've genuinely just never felt like he's had more of an impact than any other carry, usually less, and I'm happy to see him on the enemy team over any number of characters.
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>first time playing yamato
>vs venator
>he rapes me and I basically feed his ass
>build ballistic resist
>suddenly he deals zero damage and I whoop his ass
>game drags on, I get hyperfed and become an unkillable killing machine late game
>was building melee/tank
this character is wack
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>teammate gets stuck in wall
>can't use the unstuck option despite clear instructions
>doesn't know how to open console
>claims the commands given to him don't work after he gets it open finally
actually lost the game in the time it took him to suicide
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People earlier were saying Metro is good. Is this Venator build bait? It's not some game losing dogshitlike this one Goo Bomb build Viscous I played, but no CDR for ult, extra regen over healing rite, nothing in this build that actually helps him farm considering this build recommendation makes his 1 and 2 too long CD and too low impact for farming.
I thought, generally, M1 ricers like Wraith or Mirage wanted to blitz a farm item like Tesla/Ricochet/Cultist or some Spirit investment for the same end goal.
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my Yamato experience is doing unholy burst to people, then them getting away at 10% HP because her damage is slightly too low to 100-0 unless way ahead and her cooldowns are slightly too long to reliably re-combo people trying to get away from you
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I know people say to pick a carry if you want to win in low elo but is it a crime to want to play support a bit for fun
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>>559062660
I thought Rite is better overall unless you're in a miserably lane because Rite scales better into the midgame.
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>switch to the the overpowered yiffslop
>win
Many such cases
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Im new, is this a good build for surviving early laning phase?
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i hate how you can only parry heavy melees. like billy has an ability that looks like a heavy melee but you can't parry it without counterspell. very unintuitive and forces you to learn what the animation of these abilities look like
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>>559063023
I want to spread mcginnis's ass cheeks and sniff after a long day of her on the job
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>>559063117
I like Mina because every part of her design from the tempo and sound of her gunshots to proccing lovebites giving permanent ult damage is designed to annoy the enemy, and it fits with her personality. Same reason I play viscous
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THE LAND IS CLOAKED IN DEEPEST BLUE
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>be me
>low oracle
>trying to get decent with billy
>bad
>getting stomped in lane vs Warden/Ivy
>0/5/1
>Genuinely playing like I'm brain damaged
>start playing super safe.
>super farm
>jumping in only when my team has started a fight or gets jumped
>come back well enough
>end positive
>Win
>"Thanks for the carry"
>get MVP
kek. I definitely didn't deserve it
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>>559063796
Shoot upwards or fake a miss behind them then redirect it.
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>has a rapier
>but a decently ranged attack with no falloff and no unique melee interactions
>riposte that doesn't even require looking at the attacker or timing because it lasts forever
>riposte has a dash duct-taped to it so he can use it for faster roam by having camps proc it or as an easy escape if thrust is on cooldown
>basically just counterspell on a 15s cd
>thrust has 3 casts, each with a dash that doesn't use stamina
>thrust's hitbox is the size of a fucking log because god forbid the ""high execution"" character can miss something
>also heals him if he gets the timing right, but the timing isn't hard to get right at all
>ult is only blocked if he directly faces a flat surface, which practically can't happen
>this means he can do it behind cover and still end up slashing through a teamfight
how fitting that the nepobaby has everything
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Games are always a stomp one way or the other.
In neither situations do I feel like I walk away learning anything.
Is this really the genre (besides MMOs) that people give themselves cardiac arrest playing?
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It's the closest thing I can get to reliving the heady days of Support S/MNC. She also has a fun design and attitude, and I like all of her skills. Also also, I'm on steam deck so I'm not going to be snapping off epic cross map headshots enough to play characters who can't be built around their spells.
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ICEFRAUD GIMME MY ALICE HERO OR PAKISTAN GETS NUKED NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW NOW NOW NOOOOOWWWW!!!
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>Bebop tries to hook me
>I press shift to perform my reactive lateral displacement, which causes him to miss his hook as I am now in a different spot
he never stood a chance
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As a new player in low rank games, what should I do if I notice my teammates having a lot of problems in early game in a lane other than mine and feeding several kills to an enemy player? Is it best to rotate and help them or am I better off staying and controlling my own lane?
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I geinuinely hate that the game is in the state it's in and people just pull out all the stops to act like it's the greatest thing ever and the fact someone is saying anything about the shit in the sink is actually not allowed.
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Counterspell should be 12 seconds cooldown
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Am I the only one that doesn't have trouble with Drifter's ult anymore?
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>Celeste Throws 4.
>Our team splits up from the ball bouncing.
>After about 6 seconds of it bouncing around it lands on our Mirage and he takes it away and lets it end on him.
>By the time any of that happens our Paradox and Dynamo get caught out because they too ran away from the ball.
>We all try to run away and only two of us make it as we're slowly picked off one by one, because we all split up when the ball was thrown out.
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How do I convince my friends that we, in fact, should not just let the enemy team repeatedly have the urn for free every match even when we're all up and have a slight soul lead because they're too scared to take a teamfight?
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He had no map awareness whatsoever, he would fight one guy deep into enemy territory when everyone else in out team had long left. Also spam the "going in" voice command while idle farming in jungle as teamfights happened near him.
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There are a lot of knobs they can turn to try and balance her ult. Make it so it had real RNG between bounce targets so throwing it while troopers around risks wasting a ton of bounces on creeps, make the orbiting a tier upgrade, make the bounce distance smaller, make it so it doesn't bounce off troopers so it's easier to just split a guy off that it's orbiting. I've got not idea what they can do to balance some of the other shit they put in during this patch.
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I just play street brawl. Farming is gay. People will bitch at you because it has balance problems as if the regular mode doesn't have the same fucking problems but with the addition of them getting way worse since people can use the bad balance to out farm, out gear, and out level you.
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I had a lane against Bebop as Dynamo with a Mina partner and we denied him every single one of his gay little stacks.
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Some are more fucked that others for sure. You can ask to trade with another person on your team if you're getting boned.
For example if you are playing as Billy or other close range heroes you are gonna have a tough time against people like Grey Talon or Vindicta since they are so long range and can even just fly away from you.
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some match-ups are hard and the best you can do is farm and keep level on souls, but it's difficult to give advice without knowing the match-up.
depending on who you were playing you might've been playing it wrong. just because someone's gun is better than yours doesn't mean they should be winning the lane.
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i've always thought drifter was partly inspired by caine from VTM (both ancient, unknowably old, vampires forced to wander around the world for eternity, just killing people and drinking blood, both are treated like forces of nature as opposed to beings, etc)
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Yeah, some matchups suck ass and some characters are just really strong early in general. If you're new and just getting pelted down from across the lane though then a big part of it is likely bad positioning and movement. Use cover more and push the lane from it to create space and pressure. A lot of characters with strong m1s have a passive that stacks on you so just waiting a moment to let it fade while maybe poking at minions from cover can make trades a lot more favorable for you or even bait them to get into a closer position. The minions with flags also drop health orbs that'll help you sustain in lane so you should prioritize them when you and your teammate have taken a decent chunk of damage.
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>Play against Haze
>Blatant botter
>Entire match every hit is a headshot
>Frame 1 denies souls
>Entire team reports him
>Lose two ranks because it was a stomp, obviously
>Super pissed
>Check back 4 hours later
>Not only is he not banned he's been in 6 more games and still obviously botting by the score board
Is there literally no VACengine in deadlock?
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I'd give a 2 or 3 because it's entirely dependent on whether you've managed to get stacks or not
If people won't allow themselves to be isolated you can go through entire games with no stacks, and even if winning it's very tedious
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>>559070102
Are you implying only thirdies smurf? Because smurfing is a practice enjoyed by all small penised gamers around the world no matter their skin color. See: ecelebs making zero to hero garbage content evert season as an excuse for smurfing.
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>>559070147
Valve does ban waves. If he's banned it'll be at the same time as every other cheater they've detected. It can be years between ban waves, and while I assume they'll be a bit more on top of things for their brand new game I still wouldn't hold your breath.
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>Oh wow he had dog shit stat before he got an aimbot? Who could have guessed?
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>Ya bro it;'s just normal to do 10 times the damage of everyone else in the lobby and have double the souls.
What do you even get out of defending a botter?
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>>559071774
I haven't run into many Drifter but imo
>Melee carry that relies on lifesteal
Is pretty easy to counter on paper and even if he is op feels more fair that
>Long range sniper that can fly
Half my team has ground based abilities so Mira is just fucking a kick in the nuts.
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I'm currently working but I cannot stop thinking of Graves... What is wrong with me?
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rem is overtuned and can do too much to starve an enemy team of snowball
silver is overtuned and requires too much cc buy-in from a team to deal with and her ult does too much
not even going to bring up celeste, all but confirmed she's on the chopping block
can't come soon enough
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>>559072229
I would be okay with this if I had any sort of control over the guy on the other side of the map feeding him kills.
Kits with snowball mechanics included are bad design and incentivize feast or famine gameplay that leads to stomps.
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>5 years away from being released
"Being released" is completely and utterly irrelevant, the game is functionally released and anyone can play it for free, the community will not significantly grow after a hypothetical 1.0 because anyone interested is already on top of it. In fact, getting "officially released" is likely to make it even worse.
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>>559075106
Not my experience. Trying to break high ground seems to lead to comeback for the defenders more often than it leads to actually winning the game. Lowkey it's better if you just use your first midboss to choking the map and amassing a more decisive lead instead of trying to siege.
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Urn feels extremely punishing for any team ahead or behind trying to cap it.
>One team has to have at least 1 person run to the other side of the map
>The other team gets to post up completely free at a place the runner must go to
>Can easily make the runner drop the urn and just turtle
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Potential player gap feels bigger here than in other MOBAs, like if I see someone go 6-0 in lane I know he will just stomp the whole match and farm both jungles/sinners while my team has to try and cope with the urn.
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>spiritfag(mina pocket calico celeste apollo)
slowing hex
>any gun character
rusted barrel (800 souls btw)
>retarded cc character (seven abrams bebop)
reactive barrier
Am I missing anything for general anti laning shit?
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I am slowly deranking by learning to play Paradox and Doorman, going from Oracle to Ritualist. So far no one has caught up to my devious tricks as I haven't been accused of throwing.
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I had a game like that but it also went to like 50 minutes. I could see a legit player who actually knew what they were doing and who was purposefully farming people being capable of that. Granted, he's still definitely a smurf.
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Its 100% a smurf due to the unstoppable buy, no one in new elo would know to buy that instead of mindlessly going left to right.
Could be a smurf and a cheater at the same time but either this nigga deserves to be perma banned.
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I had a game like this where it was a hypercarry haze on my team and hypercarry drifter on the enemy team, it dragged on to 70 minutes but we somehow won, drifter was something like 34/3 and haze 28/1, it was miserable for both sides because anybody but them would get melted instantly even with gun resist items
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>bomb bebop but even stronger
why?
>bebop places bomb on their feet
>get hooked, get hit by bomb while still in the hook animation
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In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations. The new needs friends.
Last weekend, I experienced something new, an extra-ordinary game from a singularly ordinary source. To say that both the game and its maker have challenged my preconceptions about fine gaming is a gross understatement. They have rocked me to my core. It is difficult to imagine more obvious origins than those of the genius' now cooking at Valve, who are, in this critic's opinion, nothing less than the finest devs in steam. I will be returning to Deadlock soon, hungry for more.
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>The ONLY DOORMAN guide you WILL ever NEED | By an ETERNUS 6 Support
>actually really shitty guide with tons of time wasted on basic stuff that you learn by reading the fucking skills, glosses over the specific techs of the character you need to succeed in a heartbeat, doesn't mention matchups or difficulties of the character, spends 20 minutes autistically listing door locations, reads the entire fucking store "just going this is good this is not good" followed by the worst game commentary I've ever heard.
Once again proving that not everyone is fit to teach or make write material.
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>>559081674
That's because the video is a gateway to sell coaching sessions. In marketing we call that a funnel.
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>>559082151
Kinetic dash + Life Strike + Spirit Snatch + Toxic bullets are his core early-mid game items
You are a ganking hero so unlike literally everyone else do not be afraid of perma fighting. You want to snowball
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>>559069569
Congrats bro I'm glad to hear, love Ivy so much
I actually just got to ascendant as welland then lost it after losing 3 games in a row
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Yeap
Last game was to a god doorman while our team was kinda unco at first, we didn't really recover after he dumped us onto walkers and in his base a few times
Still we made a damn good fight of it for 50 minutes, team took a few good mid fights and urns after I asked them to be less aggro, and we came pretty close to winning
Can't be too mad with a game like that
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>paying for coaching sessions on a game in active development
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If he lands his hooks : reactive barrier rush and punish him (hope your lane partner is aggressive after a hook too), once he puts a bomb on you his damage is nonexistent.
If he doesn't land his hooks : he will be looking to put the bomb on you himself, position yourself accordingly and if he overextends because he really wants those stacks punish him.
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Sure, its ID is 497412
I do max kudzu first, but it's just as a crutch to clear waves and threaten if they take fights in bad spots. I prefer to get healing items up first, but lately I've been thinking of holding off on getting rescue till after I have at vortex + echo. Not sure, might try it out next game
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>>559083535
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>>559083535
No
The scale goes
Russians
French
A stop gap of outliers
Brits
The rest of us (europe)
Also a special shoutout to when east europeans start calling eachother russians when they're all some balkan or baltic state
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Played a few more games of gun Holliday and headshots being hard to hit really isn't the problem on this hero, but rather even when you do hit your headshots the damage is mediocre compared to any other M1 character.
You'll have about 2.5 attack speed so even if you had 100% headshot accuracy, Crackshot would only trigger once every 2 seconds or so for an extra 200 damage. The problem is that most of your burst comes from items, which have a cooldown that cannot be reduced. Literally any other hero like Geist could be building those items and doing very similar headshot damage.
Also even with a hybrid build the barrels are only good for proccing Mercurial Magnum.
She's decent in lane though and once you get your items it's fun to dink soullets for half their HP from across the map in the midgame (you'll never confirm the kill though because they'll just run away).
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No they all speak english in the game, which is why they're better than the Russians who only speak english 60% of the time, but the frenchmen I've met were all just as pissy as the average screaming russian.
I just would rather have someone I understood than someone who yells at me in some gobblygook at pretends he's better than me because I can't decipher his calls.
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>You're not going to deny my lived experiences in online vidya
yes, your anecdotal experiences fueled by confirmation biases like I said
truly valuable. if you took a moment to detach from them and actually analyze what's going on, you'd be surprised
but that'd also require you to not blame your teammates at every turn in mobas, something that 90% of the playerbase is completely incapable of doing due to their low IQ
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Just played my first game as Sinclair and holy fuck he is fun
>enemy starts to dive me because they see im 10%
>burn all my stamina/hex them/swap with assistant while they slowly go from 100 to 0 from my teammates and NPCs whittling them down
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>>559077535
Sprinkling in a few matches on doorman keeps me down in the gay baby ranks where I should be, as opposed to my crutch characters of choice that let me dominate
>gravy and page
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>>559085798
As I already said, you're not gaslighting anyone. You're probably the son of an oligarch who constantly goes on about how Russians have pro teams in vidya so that must mean all Russians are good at games.
>nooo Russians never cheat and never rage, it's not true, we are a based and redpilled gentlemanly society of fair players who are unfairly maligned
Nobody on Earth believes that, least of all you.
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>>559080462
It doesn't get better. I thought the anons were retards here for calling phantom/oracle pisslow because there is like 7 ranks before it but no, anon was right.
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>>559086039
See what I mean? You're already in a state of permanently seething about russians - a perfect example of someone falling for confirmation biases.
You're exactly the kind of retard who throws a melty on minute 3 because his lane partner has cyrillic letters in the name and didn't read his mind perfectly about some dumbass lane fight. I've seen dozens of people like you, and it's unironically happening more often than a ruskie throwing a melty unprompted in russian
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>>559080845
Grey Talon is completely brokenly overpowered and the only thing stopping him from being played more is how fuck ugly his model is. Valve keep buffing him because they think people don't play him because he's underpowered, so now he's overtuned to fuck because people actually don't play him because he's ugly.
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Brits are a close second.
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Russians region hop to avoid playing with other Russians. This was observed in 2024 Deadlock when Valve segregated them to their own servers until they cried and cried on the forum for weeks about how being forced to play with other Russians was so terrible and how they were one of the good ones and wanted to play on EU instead of Russian servers. Don't believe a word when some zigger apologist says that Russians are chill and cool people, they can't even stand eachother.
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>getting Apollo every single game on EU at Phantom without using the token
Guess people have given up on him despite him being "gamebreakingly overpowered bullshit uncounterable and wins every single game (less than 50% of games)". Personally I always thought that sounded strange since I seem to get countered by anyone who buys a combination of spirit resilience, spellbreaker or slowing hex.
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>manages to keep up with supernatural entites, monsters, and gods using only a grapple hook, boxing glove and his raw strength
Every character shits on Lash, but he's unironically one of the most skilled hero lore-wise
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I remember being in a Rivals modding server back at launch to make some mods and they banned Penny Parker mods because, get this, her age wasn't mentioned in Rivals canon
Basically admitting they do find her attractive even if she's not 18 but only if you change absolutely nothing about her other than saying she's 18 now you can go and lewd her, it's so stupid
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oddballest game that ever odballed. stuck between the wokesphere of cute characters, fun abilities and juicy combos and the incelsphere of endless text, tectonic gameplay and competitive dickwaving.
brawl vs deadlock, one has to go. can't mix the waters anymore, lines have been drawn.
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>warmup and practice heros in brawl
>use knowledge gained of their kit to better lane in full games
>rinse and repeat
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She would never say a new-wave word like that. She'd say "negro"
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>I wonder if I an say it...
>NIGGER
>black hand starts violently thrashing him
KINO
https://youtu.be/SrYSMKkCYsE?si=u2Zudqxrb18ex1wr
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>Seven
Imagine being such a danger to the world that your executioners wanted your soul straight up deleted just so there's no possibility of you ever coming back
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Drifter, only to ragebait
Warden hatefully when the body cam is off
Apollo when only his Ixian friends are around
Kelvin casually when he believes the conversation is in confidence
Infernus in an Uncle Ruckus type way
Dynamo used to say it, stopped in college
Seven says it for fun
Geist says it when angered by them
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>Seven team-mate has a full blown meltdown because Rem keeps taking the sinners
>Cries GG go next
>Still manage to carry and leave him with a 'ur welcome :)'
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seems to be the intended progression, but does that really happen? "full game" is ancient game design, with dozens of games offering that exact hour-long back and forth to communities of a certain reputation. brawl is made from concentrate, all the parts that work from the main game in a smaller context with quick rounds.
The atmosphere and vibe is very different in those modes, communication is much more angry in deadlock than brawl which attracts different players and since invites are done by referral for now this sets the tone for which this games community will be judged.
I get a feeling that valve knows exactly what they're doing. yet another dota variant should be far below their paygrade
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>venator is slightly less strong
EXCUSE ME WHAT?
He's like S+tier right now nigga
Not to say Warden isn't op busted either but I would generally say Venator is stronger. Echo Shard gutshot has so little counterplay its hilarious
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>>559089307
Apollo is not gay. Him and Graves are the primary heterosexual representation in the game.
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You mean Celeste is the chuddest, right? She's the only character who refers to Pocket as a he/him.
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Other heroes perfectly blend the occult supernatural elements with the 1920s theme see Abrams, Wraith, Geist, Ivy, Dynamo, Infernus, Sinclair, but some are almost indistinguishable from generic fantasy character. Like you could put Apollo and Graves in League and it would not be out of place.
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>Neon Prime models
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Only had this happen to me a handful of times
But having a Viscious tell me "it won't happen again" when I killed him once after a horrible lane made me petty
He never got me again, and I made sure to type "happened again" every time I killed him afterwards...
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>devilman private dick when noir is a staple genre of the year it was set
>spic gargoyle wearing recognizably 20s fashion and a modified sten gun
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but it's not the real world, valve never said it's a realistic accurate depiction of the real world, all they've said is it's an occult noir americana setting and there's boxes that say 1934 on them but since it's fiction there's no reason they can't have a 1980's punk goat called billy
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On one hand draft mode would mean you'd only ever play against the same 10-15 meta heroes like dota and league, but on the other hand is really sucks when the enemy team has characters that just hard counter half your team like Ivy vs half the cast with ground based abilities.
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>>559090674
they're not common staples of the noir genre nigga
New Yorkers have no catholic presence. Their Christian reputation should be evangelical, radical inquisitor man wouldn't even be present in any media or fiction around that time.
Yamato should not be some samurai woman, most asians are portrayed as over the top kungfu orientals or old as balls monks. Japan wasn't even in the consciousness of the average newyorker in the 20s, the Asian rep should be Chinese.
Werewolves are not common monsters in the 20s, that's why ghosts like Vindicta or Frankensteins like Victor fit but werewolves don't.
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media illiterate
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>>559090884
you barely gain mmr in parties
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I will never learn how to move effectively in this game
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Think i'm done with this game for now. I've had my fun over the last few days but i'm regressing and i'm just gonna take a break before I turn into a salty faggot who gets angry when matches don't go his way and maybe i'll come back sometime down the line
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>Mohammed and Kareem
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>play fighting games
>lose, don't really get mad or upset, just think about what I should have done better
>play this game
>lose and feel like fucking shit
I think it's because of how fucking long matches are
40 minutes of feeling useless or like nothing you do matters feels so damn bad
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>never participate in any fight
>ignore team mates crying
>ult up? time to steal their jungle
>ult down? time to do our jungle
>stamina mastery to be an omnipresent force to clear waves at maximum speed
>enemies forget theres' a victor in the match
>show up out of nowhere
>rape the enemy and win
simple as that
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>>559087868
She has Turret Syndrome.
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Yeah that's sorta how I feel, sometimes you just get a shit match up on a lane and they snowball then you end up feeding and it becomes this whole long drawn out thing where your team is behind on souls and getting powerscaled and there's not really any comeback
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>>play this game
>>lose and feel like fucking shit
because comebacks are very rare no matter how much faggots here will claim they happen all the time, matches often stretch for 30-40 minutes often times longer than that too because people don't want to end asap, you can usually tell how a match will go by 5-10 minutes and you're locked in there unable to do shit
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>>559090952
Venator is not even American though. I think he fits thematically as a priest on a crusade against the occult but not aesthetically as his outfit feels too modern. Yamato's story fits the bill and is compelling enough with all the factions at play, though I agree a supernatural shaolin kung fu master would be more fitting. I can't much speak for her redesigns since they are very much subject to change but tattooing was illegal at the time in Japan and so they often made them easy to conceal, so her design as a whole feels a bit too 'in your face' for someone trying to make a place for her gang.
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None because Deadlock takes place in a hyper progressive parallel universe which is why being opposed to the mass-migration of literal trans-dimensional demon people is considered "controversial" in 1949
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how does rem fit into the noir genre?
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>>559091812
you can comeback but a team that was stomped early on obviously doesn't know how to do it, they couldn't even try to stay safe and farm camps and boxes while waiting for the wave and would rather die 20 times
guess who out of these 3 blamed someone else for losing a 5v4 and the game after we managed to come back in souls
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I expect the main problem being getting flamed for picking heroes that are actually good but ecelebs downplay or "bad comp" if any retard eceleb puts out a "role guide" that actually gets popular
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Counterpoint to all above mentioned points:
Silver.
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when are we getting our noir idols?
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>Gets an invite.
>"Huh, game is fun. Paige, Rem and Mina are characters I enjoy playing!"
>Watch tutorials, roam, take Sinners, research builds.
>I'm not even close to good compared to others, but doing objectives like jar and soul farming help me win a lot of games.
>Suddenly, my team does nothing but try to get kills.
>Enemies always know what to do and where to go, claiming jar becomes impossible.
>Drifter, Silver and Apollo mind readers who always know what item you're gonna useand carry the game alone.
>Many defeats in a row, no way to end games earlier because there's no surrender button.
>I've been paired against Archons, with people in my team complaining because this is their first game out of bots.
>Games become about getting stomped without the ability to attempt a comeback, or stomping the enemy team who are likely a couple of high rank players crippled by idiots.
>No draft/ban system.
Is Valve really hoping this will somehow succeed?
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>Enemies always know what to do and where to go, claiming jar becomes impossible.
are you playing in eternus or something? even in ascendant people just sneak the urns because they're free half the time
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>Paige, Rem and Mina are characters I enjoy playing!
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What characters do you think will have the highest winrate difference between a standard and draft mode?
I think Billy will get a big WR improvement since some characters just hard-counter him
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>>I've been paired against Archons, with people in my team complaining because this is their first game out of bots.
>>Games become about getting stomped without the ability to attempt a comeback, or stomping the enemy team who are likely a couple of high rank players crippled by idiots.
this happened to me, i had a few games where it felt like both teams were on equal-footing skillwise, i won a couple and lost a couple, and then the past few days it's been nothing but utter dogshit. it's always a stomp one way or the other and i end up lagging behind, i feel like i'm in a skill range i really don't belong in
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>>559093025
My cute jobber wife is going to get first picked every pro game and do nothing!
She's that good!
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>>559048737
I think he's actually more influenced by the vampires from the movie Near Dark. That movie depicts vampires as pathetic murder hobos who roam around killing and sleeping through the day in abandoned cars and shit. I feel like drifter started out similarly unglamorous before the developed the character further.
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>>559093464
Not many heroes are first pick/ban material like she is.
It's a tough burden to shoulder, but Lilah Silver is up to the task!
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>>559093830
For me its Lystic Silver
Only he can lose a game with 50k soul advantage! Truly worth the first pick silver
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idk deadlock seems pretty based
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>the noir genre
I really feel like some of you niggas saw Abrams and just assumed that was the entire setting. How were you even expecting them to keep adding in characters if you're going to cry that a werewolf wasn't a popular enough monster a fucking century ago?The game doesn't even take place in the 1920s, you ignorant retard. It's the 1940s.
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The "it's the 1920s" it's just an excuse. I was giving icefrog the benefit of the doubt at the beginning since the game was hastily repurposed into deadlock, but with the recent characters added to the roster, they don't give a shit about making the look like they come from that historical period. Just look how Billy looks: he looks like a British punk from the 1970s, and his gun looks even more modern than that. Plus i don't like the overall more "asian" visual style they're going for.
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>Plus i don't like the overall more "asian" visual style they're going for.
jesus christ you're pathetic the game looks better than ever you're the kind of retarded faggot that would rather wish for neon prime, concord and highguard
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>>559089307
I can get Venator, Silver, Mina, Rem, etc...
Apollo is debatable.
Graves design generally sucks.
Billy has a great but anachronistic design and feels a bit out of place.
Personally I think Celeste's jacket fucking sucks.
Also it's 1935s to 1950s. 1934 Minimum. We're past the 1920s.
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>lightning skull man
>wears literal white and black prisoner fatigues
>has a bunch of old timey coils on him
Not the best example.
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whoops forgot your (You)
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>first game after getting to oracle
>on victor
>phantom Paige on my team vacuums up all the farm in both side lanes, refuses to actually support, then blames me for the loss when she, personally, starved me out of 20k souls
>second oracle game
>get seven instead
>dynamo and rem on my team vacuum up all the farm in both side lanes, our jungle, and our sinners
>both refuse to support
>neither touch the enemy's sinners or jungle at all
>both blame me for the loss despite me being 30k behind the enemy warden directly snd explicitly because of their actions
>deranked back to Archon 6
Is this shit what I can expect in every oracle+ game?
If so: I'm going to sandbag back down to Ritualist.
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>>559093464
Imagine being her husband and her coming home drunk and snifflng as she cries "I GOT FIRST PICKED EVERYTIME AND LOST EACH GAME."
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How do I check that? Last game I was against a Billy that grabbed the Urn EVERY SINGLE TIME, I pinged, stunned him, tried to stop him, but he got backup; my team would see him pass in front of them and let him go. Every. Single. Time.
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https://archiveofourown () org/works/80501526
Here you go deadtards. I have some Silver smut all finished up now, and it's even got a little romance and drama in it! It might maybe need another editing pass, but that's for when it's not 3AM.
She's a really fun character to write, too. I tried to be as respectful of her character (what we know of it) as I could - I did make SOME things up out of necessity (like I wasn't sure if she's renting a flat or an apartment, so I went with apartment), but I sourced as much as I could about her from her dialogue (like her having a car).
If you enjoy it at all, or even if you didn't, please let me know.
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it could be done
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