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Gold Rush
>Friend ID Survey: https://forms.gle/AZyQQ2SfGeCKjXNh9
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/vp/ battle passwords to battle with other Anons (consider writing a post to recruit players)
>/vp/‘s own meta (no random effects, no ex): vpnx
>meta decks or high level play: vpmeta
>/vp/ anything: vp
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>>58974840
It's not bad
Maybe doesn't need 2 copycat but it doesn't work at all without serp
90 is also just little enough damage for the opponent to keep themselves alive for another turn with ice pop!
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>>58974812
Running against time, I forgot to change PW cardlist's URL. Sorry.
It should be: https://www.pokemon-zone.com/sets/b2a/
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>>58975152
Law of Large Numbers.
For every person that opens 12 packs and doesn't get an ex, someone else opened 12 and got 2.
The thing is, the person that didn't get any is more likely to post complaining about it than the person that got 2 to post boasting.
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>mfw 30 Days of Gifts
this is an absurd about of free shit wtf. I'm not complaining but something must be going wrong for them to be dishing out like 60 free pulls right?
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>tourney bans hydreigon
>variety up the ass
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>some dumbass in a trading discord just traded me 2* sabrina in exchange for a fucking gengar
they are calling me the greatest trader of all time
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Thanks for the 120 hourglasses DeNa.
No I will not use them on Paldea.
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Still baffles me that 10 pulls doesn't guarantee you anything in this game. Every other gacha has a guarantee 10-pull giving something like "Guaranteed Super Rare!" or "Guaranteed 4-Star Recruit!". Meanwhile Pocket Devs are floundering like "WHY ARE WE LOSING PLAYERS???". Gee, maybe players don't like saving up 2 weeks worth of resources for a 10--pull just to get 50 1-diamond rarity cards.
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>>58977331
I feel like at the very least you should get a guaranteed 4-diamond/EX in a 10-pull. You know, the most necessary cards to play in versus mode? But nah DeNA got so fucking greedy they couldn't even do what other gacha games do with offering a guarantee system with their 10 pulls.
What do 10 pulls offer you in Pocket? Nothing. It just lets you open 10 packs at once. That's it. No wonder player retention is fucking ass.
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The only deck I ever use anymore is Cusola/Dusknoir.
Because I figure so long as DeNa's going to release shitty packs with obnoxious powercreep, and all the whalecattle are going to eat it up, I'm going to make the experience be as miserable as fucking possible for them that their whole "double Indeedee, double Mega Steelix, double Heavy Helmet" strategy shit can end in one coin flip.
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>>58978098
Npc ass responses.
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>>58976641
Its crazy they don't understand
All they have to do is start making new sets that aren't 90% pack filler and actually gives people motivation to pull, build new decks, and play the game.
Its not a coincidence that people started losing interest in the game during the long stretches where the meta was most stagnant and unfun. How do they not realize this.
Game could really benefit from a new format or game mode if they're not willing to stop shitting the bed on their sets.
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>>58978792
>build new decks, and play the game.
You need to understand that most people don't do this and never will. Most players just want to pull cards and open packs. They should lean more into the collecting aspect instead of the battling.
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Has there ever been a gacha game that adjusts pull rates later down the line, or is there like a legal thing preventing that? I'm pretty sure that would immediately get people playing and paying again, especially if they discounted gold at the same time.
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>>58978938
Random battles are fine to me
>>58978951
I'm one of those who finds PvP a chore, and really really want a lot more display board and album slots
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>>58979197
why did they give a basic mon the ability to snipe for 130 for 3 energies? especially a water type that has incredible energy generation tools already
I'm nor saying it's too broken and such but you cannot do this after poor Gigalith EX needs 2 evos and 4 fighting Energies to deal 140 + skips a turn without any real possibility of retreating. I'm just mad
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>>58978657
I've been doing that for some time now, I reckon if they haven't gotten a daily share and it's close to reset then there's no harm in sending something they don't have. I don't think anybody has unfriended me for it yet.
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What I want the most is some improvements to game performance. It seriously runs like shit (in my phone at least). It takes literally like 30 seconds from clicking on a particular solo battle to the deck confirmation screen. How is that even possible? This game is mostly just menus and static screens, it shouldn't run so badly.
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It ain't easy bein' cheesy
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Yes I really wanted this reprint instead of the new cards
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>>58979583
You definitely need a better phone. The cards and menus are animated at a high number of frames per second (for a phone), and it's all 3D-rendered, instead of just slapping 2D images on top of each other.
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Aegislash (steel) and orthwurm are actually a pretty decent combo. Fat Fuck can start swinging for good damage and he can conceivably be alive long enough to do it once if you can rare candy your back row by turn two
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>>58981498
There are times where I need to field that aegis if I dont have a tinkaton ready. So then he'll be able to swing for 120
Then Will can guarantee one surefire heavy swing from the EX
I usually try to cover all possibilities instead of focusing on one because I feel worse if I didn't have the option in the deck vs it just being stapled to the bottom of the deck.
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>>58981552
https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/699e9da0c9dc8186f760be6e/stan dings
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>the board is this slow even on fucking pokemon day.
I'm just happy to finally be using Meow again.
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>>58982671
the problem I have with the worm is that its retreat cost is too high and it doesn’t add value on turn one. dialga provides more energy in the long run and I’d rather run babies to generate energy for steel pokémon that aren’t too energy restrictive. the only good thing about the worm is that it only costs one point.
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Hell yeah
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this just want a 192 person tournament. the only dud that i saw consistently was team star grunt. i could see that easily being swapped out for ice pop or copycat
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I may no longer have any shinedust left but at least I am happy with my collection.
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>finally got mega Gardevoir
>Only because someone share one with me.
I opened 140 fucking packs, the fact I never got a Mega Gardevoir from its own fucking set gives me despair.
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Yeah but it's FA I mean, does it even have waifu value?
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>>58987175
You want >>58982271
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If I were to pair this fat cunt with the tatsu that gives it a retreat cost of zero think I can do anything with it?
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Does Pocket need this ?
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>>58987970
how about a baby that deals 10 damage every time opp draws
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>open pack
>get something shit
>alt + f4
all i've done for the last week
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good news, meta changed
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>>58988359
>open pack
>see the sparkles or hear the sound
>tilt the pack
>see the 1-star border
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>>58988368
Am I dumb, what does baxcalbur bring to a suicune deck? It already attacks for 2 and doesn't need the ramp. And why ramp baxcalibur itself (which is what I'm assuming its doing?) when you can just run it with greninja instead and lose 10 damage for 1 fewer energy and bench ping
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>>58988368
kneel before the meta changer
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100 dust, really? Should be at least 1 dust per win. Would you guys play more pvp if you got rewards like every 10 or so wins?
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>>58985418
Probably ditch miltank for another ramping baby, popsicle, cyrus or another helm. Plains is in there so your baby pokemon don't get 1 shot by things like Jirachi plus it just adds HP to both Kang and Darkrai.
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>>58989138
hm think I'm confused since I never used a rental deck. I thought you would just claim it and it would show up in one of your deck slots.
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>>58989176
That's where it should be.
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I apologize for underestimating this weasel. Probably the most fun ex card in a long time.
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>>58989271
Its a really good card, idk why this place is so apprehensive. The set when it comes to artwork is beyond lazy and worrying for the games before, but this set is already better than the last 2 expansions when it comes to card viability
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>>58989271
>high roll = 140 damage turn 2
>Mid roll = 70 damage turn 2 and 140 turn 3
>shit roll = bricked and who cares, just consneed and move to the next match.
Basically it comes down to how badly the mid and low rolls are for the deck. hitting for 70 turn 2 isn't bad at all assuming you're not getting Hydraniggered next turn.
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any recommendations to improve the deck
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>>58989590
suininja can often struggle to snipe mons, as suicune is generally quite weak after some mons have gone down on either side and using greninja ex to do the killing blow necessitates pulling both your candies. chien pao not needing cyrus to snipe means it can't be cucked by absol or mars, as long as it's on the field you can blast for 130. if you do get both bax up it's also entirely possible to just keep it in hand until needed which makes it impossible for the opponent to respond to. the deck is also less weak going first as an early bax lets suicune swing before the opponent can evolve.
whether it's better remains to be seen, but it's certainly a viable alternative.
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Was it a good trade?
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>FATSHITTER Lax fucking dismantled by duo Owls
Good shit
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>slop set with reused art actually had meta changing cards
wowie
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>>58990996
You just do the missions/events that reward them.
Also never bought the special tickets or whatever the fuck they're called.
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>>58990996
You have all month to do the solo missions, and all month to buy the hourglasses, there's no rush
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i hate ice pop so much that i'm willing to try and brew a Vikavolt or even an Exploud deck, any ideas? i know i'm probably not gonna be able to use anything like sophocles since absol/hydreigon combos are probably just gonna instantly discard it
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>Cleared PW day1
>No 24h WP yet
WHAT THE FUCK
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>jap on my friendlist
>assume both want to complete latest pack but remain f2p (can tell from card amount and roughly same amount of remaining cards for PW)
>i share missing diamond cards, he gives one i'm missing in return, been like this since MR
>get extra armarouge, sees that he's missing this ex so i share it
>he gives me a glaceon ex from Deluxe when i'm still missing like six 2 diamonds
Do, do people just not know Deluxe will be filled out later this year? I'm still missing stuff like Dachsbun and Iono and even Fuecoco, so if he actually doesn't have any extras for me, why not just let someone else have today's share quota?
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>>58991839
Good, may this teach Gamefreak to drop this type of "character". Hell, the people they were trying to "appeal to" completely ignored Penny and instead focused on Iono just because the colors of her hair although they dropped her immediately when Nintendo itself told them to GTFO.
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I had a quick growth and pokeball in my discard...
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>>58992317
I'm also 100% certain they turned the pvp algo up to max because I have never bricked as much as I have during this event and not just "oh I didn't get pokeball t1" either, I'm talking hard bricks vs opponents with perfect t1 combo hands that are optimal for whatever position they started in. No meme decks either, I'm just using the same decks I used last meta (adapted for ice pop). Speaking of ice pop, the matches where I don't just inta-brick t1 have to deal with ice pop bs which has made damage calcs impossible.
They looked at the garbage pvp meta this game had and decided to make it even worse.
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>>58992317
Well if you're gonna make a claim you can't prove and then cry "can't prove it" on the predicted response, then nobody can really help you, schizo
PS nobody can convince me that Santa isn't real
>"nobody could travel that far and deliver that many presents in one night-"
Nobody that you know
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Holy cookerino
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>Completed PW day 1
>Sitting on 400+
>Urge to dump it all for crown Buttplug
We're not getting info on what's next anytime soon are we?
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>lose because opponent flipped 5 heads on ice pop
Seriously who designed this fucking card? Who thought it was a good idea to give an already rng-heavy game a potential infinite heal? Knowing and planning for damage ranges was one of the very few bits of strategy this game had and now this one card has completely killed that with 0 ways to counter it.
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The devs get off on seeing your tears.
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>>58992921
Eat shit. not the same Anon, but I'll give my opinion as the disgusting pay-pig I am.
Normally, with each new expansion, I open around 70 to 80 packs on the first two days, after which I usually fill almost all the diamond cards from that expansion, "especially the EX cards." I must emphasize that when they implemented the 24-hour WP in Crimson Blaze, due to the speed at which I usually complete the set, I managed to double the number of 2-star cards I normally get, all thanks to 24-hour WP. The change in drop rates was very noticeable after Fantastical Parade, especially for the 4-diamond EX cards. Even though I have three alt accounts plus my main account (where I spend a large amount of money monthly), I didn't manage to complete the set until mid month, even with the Share and Trade options.
If you're going to act like a fucking obtuse piece of shit because "There's no solid evidence," you can shove all the microplastics in the world up your ass since "it can't yet be proven harmful to humans." You miserable bastard, hope you get colon cancer.
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>>58993570
>i had an unlucky personal experience so that must be the norm because i can't understand the concept of a statistical outlier
i had.both immersives in a single non-godpack during fantastical parade so actually they must have buffed the rates and i didnt just get really lucky right?
idiot
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>>58993871
Somewhat, but not entirely. When nobody is getting the ex cards, let alone 3+ of the same one, people aren't likely to be trading them for others. Most of the ex cards I got last set were simply sent from all my alts.
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>>58993926
Specific copies of an ex card, or getting enough to have more than a playset. You can pull 18 ex cards and still miss 1 of them while not having enough to trade for the last one without losing a playset.
Of course, you can make the argument that you don't need a playset of everything, but 18 ex cards is extremely unlikely.
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>>58992854
The algorithm is deck-based. If you use whatever has the highest win rate/use rate, you will be actively fucked over to give lesser decks wins. Switch to something off-meta and you'll notice a massive improvement.
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>>58993987
Of course it can happen, but it's much less likely to get triplicates of a card in FP than it is in nearly every other set. Because of that, people aren't likely to trade new cards for old. Why would they? It's way easier to get playsets of older cards.
You end up with a situation in where people want to trade a FP ex for a FP ex, but nobody has the trade fodder to do so.
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>>58994013
I don't think the average changes that much though.
Take a set with similar number of cards to FP, WSS, but divided into 2 packs.
To get 20 exs, which gives you enough to at least trade to get 2 of each, you still need to open 240 packs.
The only difference is that in WSS, you open 120 of each.
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>>58994365
Yeah, I agree.
We're both arguing about different things at this point.
You're saying that getting the cards yourself is easier with separate packs, which is true.
And I'm saying the amount of average packs you need to open to get x amount of cards is the same between sets regardless if they're 1 or 2 packs, which is also true.
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>>58993822
It is, yeah. Cause with GrenCune you're waiting on your stage 2's to come out just so you can ping and Cyrus out for the kill. With BaxCute, you're waiting on your stage 2's just as a SUPPORT to accelerate Chingchong-dog, who can still snipe without their help just very slowly. Because Xiaomi-dog does so much damage with its snipe, chances are you don't even need to Cyrus out for the kill. But it's not like you won't be running Cyrus anyway, just in case, so...
tl;dr - Greninja isn't a true snipe, it's just throwing a pebble for you to finish using Suicune. Kung-Pao-Dog actually snipes for the kill with his wok.
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Hate to say it but I think this update was...good for the meta? Like we all wanted groundbreaking metashaking cards mostly because last meta was absolute cancer and we wanted to move on from it. Under normal circumstances, I think incremental meta pushes is actually healthy, rather than a n update that completely centralizes the meta into the newest hot 2 cards on the block.
So the new cards aren't all that great, but good enough that they add to the meta without particularly drowning it. Problem is we all really hate the fucking last meta.
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>>58994795
If they were to add one single card to this set that would make it a perfect addition, it'd be a basic mon with the ability to damage opponents every time they use an item. Completely negate Lucky Ice Pop. Fuck that card. Without that card I'd actually say the meta is in a good spot. Hydranigger isn't too big of a deal when it actually kills itself as intended to be OP as shit. Even putting Heal Block on a basic would be worth it. Putting that shit on Claydol was such a fucking miss. Nobody is running 4 fucking card slots on some piece of shit that's literally only useful for healblocking. You're likely to just brick with that shit, or only ever get it when you don't need it anymore.
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The way I got 24hr WPs from Parade (besides being quite lucky and spending a lot of dust) was flipping singles of EXes I wasn't going to play after registering them, and I'm still missing three of them
I'm not spending HGs for Paldean beyond the initial 10pull, and I have gotten way fewer 3diamonds than last month, but I'm attributing that to my luck regressing rather than thinking they nerfed the rates
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>Metagross STILL not in the game
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>>58993951
I swapped to Buzzwhole, which is a deck I hadn't used at all last season and still got hard bricks and was still facing meta decks like Suicune with ice pop.
Even the off-meta decks are being hit hard this time around.
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>WP 2nd copy of Bellibolt
I will be playing she tonight
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>>58996129
Just realized I only have 1 tadbulb
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>>58996152
The bastards know what they're doing with the Sprigatito stuff as premium ticket items, and the Iono stuff in a gold bundle
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>Memory Light
>Torrent Boosted Splashing Dodge
>Wills
Damn, QueerDuck got some moves
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>>58997154
Guaranteed Splashing Dodge damage negation at 70 a pop. It's not gangbusters & they still lost but it's kinda neat
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This look good or should I ditch a copycat for something? I don't think I need two pokeballs.
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>>58996544
Casuals get mad for "tryharding". I've got a little story for you, back when Smash 4 was about to release
>there was a little night launch party at GameStop
>went to go have fun before the game dropped
>the employees cracked open a copy of the game
>you could get in line to play rounds with other people
>whoever won would get to continue playing, loser would go to the back of the line
>I finally get my chance
>opponent and so far two-time winner was this kinda chubby dude who looked about five or six years older than me, no younger than late 20s
>I picked Marth, he picked Mario
>we go at it
>I wasn't a pro by any stretch of the term, but I had decent enough fundamentals. >this guy plays like an asshole
>ran away, chucked Fireballs from a safe distance, and spammed rolls and shield
>quickly get him figured out and start reading his rolls and baiting his shields
>he starts getting mad
>whenever I predict a shield and grab him, he started yelling at me for "spamming grab" and that grab was a cheap move
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>I don't say anything and just keep reading and punishing him
>nearby employee asks us to calm down
>I pause the game so I can defend myself
>fatso interrupts me and starts yelling that pausing the game threw him off and now he's going to lose and that I cheated
>yeah okay buddy I have a full stock lead on you and am about to take your last one but this is what will cost you the game
>GameStop employee asks us to just "play fair"
>I say that I'm not doing anything unfair and I'm just playing the game
>fatso says I keep using cheap moves
>I say that grabbing is a perfectly fair way to punish shield and that he himself was spamming Fireball and rolls
>Gamestop employee tells us to start the match over and that neither of us should "spam"
>I get mad but what can I do but accept the do-over
>Fat Boy goes right back to spamming Fireball and rolls
>the instant I catch him out and grab him he starts yelling that I'm using cheap moves again
>employee gets mad and tells us we'll have to leave if we can't have manners
>I don't pause this time and talk to the employee but fatso takes advantage and runs up on me with a Smash
>stop talking to the employee and start playing again
>the very instant I grab him he yells about cheap spamming
>employee tells us we both have to leave
>I flip the fuck out and try to defend myself, faggot employee isn't having it and insists we leave
>fatboy seethes that I ruined it for everyone and begs the employee to let him stay
>vindictive little shit that I was, I went outside, got my jackknife out of my backpack, and went to the car I saw fatboy come out of earlier
>start slashing his tires
>he comes out when I'm going to work on the third one and I run like hell
>never went back to that GameStop again
I can still remember the sound of him screaming, both when I was grabbing him in the game and when he saw me with the knife at his tires. I'd have fucked up the employee's car too, if I knew which one it was.
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