>>59171697
I hate how hard this fucker is hitting. Water shouldn't be given more strong hitters

Going back to Sword and Shield after years of not playing just to check out if I have any transferable Pokemon was an experience

I don’t even have the DLCs

>>59171710
youre in the same boat as me
good thing is nobody else owns sw/sh so the pkhex bots are always free

>>59171704
It can OHKO Dragonite even through Multiscale. People forget just how busted Huge Power is.

They really ought to buff Tail Slap so it’s 90 accuracy.

>modest scarf espeon is slower than scarf timid hydreigon by 4 points
Very unfortunate, but scarf espeon has been my surprise hero in singles

>>59171717
I use Azumarill a lot because of this
Everyone always thinks “I can this neutral hit” and then they take 50%+

So what does early bird do with the new sleep mechanics? Is it just automatic next turn wake up?

>dumping all the shinies I caught in GO I don't give a shit about into the GTS for Eternal Floettes
>then trading those Floette's for shinies I do want
I'm a genius.

>>59171833
stonmks

>>59171704
>>59171717
I hate playing nu-pokemon, but mega starmie with skill swap was fun for a bit. I'll come back once Regigigas is in.

>need legends ZA if you want to compete
>need legends
>need either SwSh/SV or both if you want to compete
>need home sub to transfer
>need nintendo switch online to play
>need battle pass
Holy fuck thats like 300 dollars if you want to be competitive? And you goyslop consoomers actually pay for this trash??
You pathetic autistic assholes are why this franchise is dead an buried.
If it wasnt for Showdown! nobody would care about competitive Pokemon

>>59171889
Floette being so hard to access sucks, but every single one of your points is wrong.

>>59171889
You don’t need any of that shit retard

>>59171833
How do you prevent getting normie floettes?

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>>59171910
NTA but you can specify the form

>>59171918
they should let the others mega evolve too

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I left the game running on the TV for a long time, in the Battle menu where Tatora is pretty close to life size. She started moving out of the corner of my eye and she scared me

>>59171918
I already have my Floette from ZA so I don't have to worry about it. But are people seriously trading away eternal Floette on the GTS? I assume it's just people with PKHex being nice?

>>59171940
80% of the search results are asking for other eternals in return. I didn't miss the GTS stupidity.

>>59171889
You need none of that, except Nintendo online. You can trade for Floette and get every other pokemon and train them in Champions. A Home subscription isn't necessary and the battle pass is both underwhelming and unnecessary.

>>59171944
You don't need Nintendo online either

>>59171923
Only the Eternal Flower Floette is considered fully evolved. she can't evolve further like the others.

Shit game

>>59171981
What did you lose to now?

>>59171986
This regulation

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>hit master ball in both formats
new content when???

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Rate my team.

Mega Feraligatr
Ability: Dragonize
Item: Feraligite
Nature: Jolly (or Adamant )
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Moves: Dragon Dance / Double-Edge (now Dragon STAB, hits like a truck) / Crunch / Waterfall (or Ice Punch for coverage)

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Skeledirge
Ability: Unaware
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Calm (or Bold)
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Moves: Torch Song / Shadow Ball / Calm Mind / Will-O-Wisp (or Flamethrower)

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Krookodile
Ability: Intimidate
Item: Leftovers (or Shuca Berry)
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Moves: Earthquake / Crunch / Stone Edge / Bulk Up (or Taunt)

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Tyranitar
Ability: Sand Stream
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 HP / 252 Def (or mixed)
Moves: Stealth Rock / Earthquake / Crunch / Stone Edge

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Weavile
Ability: Pressure (or Pickpocket)
Item: Focus Sash (or Leftovers)
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Moves: Triple Axel / Knock Off / Ice Shard (priority) / Swords Dance

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Gardevoir
Ability: Trace (or Pixilate on Mega)
Item: Gardevoirite
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Moves: Moonblast / Psychic / Calm Mind / Healing Wish

>>59172018
Where is incineroar

>>59172018
How good is Skeledirge and Krookodile? Based gator team tho.

>>59171928
God I wish Tatora was real

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>>59172018
crocodilian theme team?

>>59172018
Your primiarina check?

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>>59172039
Dirge is a special tanky fucker who can ramp up the damage.
Krook...well he is a crocodilian and intimidate is always good.

>>59172044
correct.

>>59171950
Wait, you don't need Nintendo Online? I just asumed they would require you to use their predatory and overpriced online subscription in order to play an online-only game.
Doesn't matter to me either way, I just use my wife's account which has Online through a family plan.

can anyone gen me a shiny charizard pls

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My Doubles Team I'm working on...I hate leveling in Shining Pearl so much. I don't think it will do very well but I like Castform.
Castform Ability: Forecast
Item: Focus Sash or Leftovers
Nature: Modest / Timid
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe (or HP investment for bulk)
Moves:
Weather Ball
Sunny Day / Rain Dance / Hail
Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / Flamethrower
Protect

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Torkoal (Fire) – Sun setter + bulky support
Ability: Drought
Item: Leftovers or berry
Nature: Bold / Calm
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Moves: Sunny Day / Lava Plume / Stealth Rock / Protect or Yawn

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Pelipper – Rain setter + pivot
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Leftovers or Damp Rock equivalent Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Moves: Rain Dance / Surf / Hurricane / U-turn or Protect
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Vanilluxe – Hail/Snow setter
Ability: Snow Warning
Item: Leftovers or Icy Rock
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Moves: Hail / Blizzard (spread Ice, high accuracy in hail) / Ice Beam / Protect or Aurora Veil

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Tyranitar – Sand setter + Intimidate bulk
Ability: Sand Stream
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Adamant or Careful
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def (or SpD)
Moves: Sandstorm / Crunch / Earthquake / Stone Edge or Protect

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Gastrodon – Special wall + recovery
Ability: Storm Drain Item: Leftovers
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Moves: Scald / Recover / Ice Beam / Protect or Mirror Coat

>>59172062
I think you will be cucking yourself once castform is off the field, which probably won’t take very long. it would probably be better to focus on one or two types of weather. You are also lacking real damage, castform isn’t going to cut it and the rest of your team is invested into bulk.

I keep expecting to get hard stuck because I'm a noob and f2p, but I just made it to Ultra Ball tier and I'm on a 6 win streak. I'm having so much fun bros

is tyranitar, excadrill sand team strong against sun teams?

>>59172099
you won't outslow Torkoal so you have to plan in advance to swap in ttar
Excadril dying to literally any fire attack is fun too

>>59172054
Yeah, it surprises me too when I don't need NSO to play it. Though accessing Home might require NSO to work. At least until mobile is here

>>59172104
Transferring from Home doesn't require NSO either

>>59172062
Gastrodon isn’t in and Castform is “so bad you automatically lose” not something quirky you can make work with support

>>59172099
This is my anti-sun mode but just because of what recruitment options I've gotten. You're not going to win every game but it's fine, I haven't been able to get down as much damage as I want with Excadril a lot of the time and Mega T-tar isn't as awesome as other megas. On the upside, clicking Rock Slide twice is very funny.

if one of my pokemon's stats gets lowered will it go back to normal if i switch them out and back in again?

>>59172116
Yes, that’s why a lot of people don’t use stat lowering moves

>>59172116
Yes

>>59172128
Seeing as how you liked it, I guess you do the same

Who is the best rage powder/follow me user right now?

>>59172161
You're not exactly overwhelmed by choice, Sinistcha for Rage Powder, Maushold for Follow Me.

>>59172166
Thanks. I've been rekt by a Sinistcha one time. I've been wanting to try it.

>>59172161
Cha
>>59172062
I was thinking of using Castform as a weather abuser who can use opponents weather against it, but then again there are plenty other mons who get weather ball.

>>59172145
I play a girl actually

>>59172099
Consider aerodactyl.
Outspeeds char y with x4 rock stab
Kills whims through sash with dual wingbeat. Has access to tailwind, taunt, wide guard too Pairs well with your earthquake spammer too
Surprisingly decent spdef if you get sand up

>>59172166
A recent tournament winner used Clefable actually

>>59172018
Based 0 synergy team

>>59170501

Don't know if you're still here Rhyperior-anon, but I made it to Ultra Ball last night with this team

https://pokepast.es/ac017bc837ce1cdc

>get perish trapped
>win

I'm shocked how often in Ultra ball people try and fake out in front of my farigiraf.

>>59172262
I-I forget....

>>59172262
I've actually only fought two Farigs on my way up to Ultra.
First one: I try to Taunt it. Learn what it does.
Second one: I forgor, try to Taunt it again.
Now I will remember.

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>Make it to Doubles Master Ball with a team of M Froslass, Scarfchomp, Magnet Rotom W, Milotic, Whimsicott and Spiritomb (last one is for Farigiraf and Macha to either stop Trick Room going up and/or murder them with Dark Pulse)
>For every game I play well and can feasibly win there are three where the opponent perfectly counters my leads.
>Any other team I try gets immediately bodied 0-5
Any advice anons? I’m running some tech choices like Poison Jab on Scarfchomp to deal with Fairies and Disable on M Froslass but the rest of the team (minus Spiritomb) is pretty standard.

>>59172294
>Now I will remember.
Update us on this on your third time.

>>59172262
I love ruining prankster mons’ days

>>59172262
Have people been complaining about the Giraffe here much? Most obnoxious thing about is that there aren't any multistrike moves that can remove it right away
There's Pin Missile, but Heracross would lose all utility as soon as the giraffe is removed
I can Helping Hand Pounce on Scizor, but every fag that uses giraffe uses Focus Sash and I can't clean it with Bullet Punch afterwards

>>59172298
>Taunts the other pokemon

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>>59172166
I'm still upset Toedscruel didn't make the initial cut.

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>>59171889
Just buy the 7 dollar starter pack and gacha your way to a competitive team, that’s what I did.

>>59172304
Mega Kangaskhan Crunch

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>"doubles is the real format"
>supportmon that sets weather, encores and tailwinds while still being able to OHKO things with a super effective hit
>stat ball that outspeeds and OHKOs over half the roster while being able to take 2-3 hits
>every team you face is either weather and/or incineroar/sneasler opening

Bros I just want to use my shitmons.
How bad of an idea is it to have a format where your team's total BST can't exceed a certain number?
It'll probably be cracked in a week anyways

>>59172425
>a format where your team's total BST can't exceed a certain number
Scarf Ditto on every team to cheese the cumulative BST

So Helping Hand + Sucker Punch definitely handles Delphox, but I'm concerned that its heavily dependent on Helping Hand
Tera could fix that in the future, but that creates a whole other problem, as if Dragapult can Tera, that means everyone else can
Hopefully not Megas, which are my main targets, but still
https://files.catbox.moe/xbi2wm.mp4

>>59172485
Megas getting tera sounds like a horrible idea by anyone's standards
Using the Omni Ring will probably be a once per match deal, so you can Mega evolve something or Tera something

>>59172489
Megas getting Tera would be fun for one format
Live a little

I despise Teras

>>59171943
its mostly people trying to flip their chink floette into a jap or english one yeah

>>59171697
Physical starmie feels wrong, they should have made a special version of huge power for it. With Starmie's special coverage it would have been very strong

Just ended someone's 10 win streak at Ultra Ball rank 2

is charizard y + venasaur the most popular team right now?

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>>59171940
Any legendaries on the GTS that are trading for something reasonable are like 99.5% genned or duped. There's an incredibly low chance they are real, especially when you see them from the same region when searching them standalone like CN.

When I was messing around shiny hunting in SV a year or two back I had a bunch of legit shiny duplicates from the process that I was throwing up on the GTS to try and get stuff like Koraidon, Walking Wake, all the Donbrothers, Gouging Fire, Raging Bolt, a second Miraidon, all the Treasures of Ruin in Chinese (Just felt like it fit), and I'm sure there was more. Maybe like 85% of the initial ones I got were cheated in which I double-checked with trainer ID blacklists (https://tswann89.github.io/PokemonSV/blacklist/). In order to get anything legit I'd have to then start a daisy chain of trading these legendaries over and over for other legendaries until one of them finally didn't turn up onthe backlist.

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I posted this in the other Champions thread, but here's the team I'm running.

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>>59172599
and these are their stats.

>>59172599
>meteor beam
does this ever actually work? mglim just feels too vulnerable to get away with a charge attack especially in doubles

Yeah nah, fuck mega. Give me Z-moves, give me Dynamax, give me Tera. Anything but crappy "fixes".

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmlEXWOQlZs

Holy fuck how did I not know this existed until now, they better make this available to players

>>59172628
I've heard shit about megas for years and this is my first time playing competitively. I don't see why the big stink. The only thing I don't like about it is that there aren't more of them and more of them aren't viable so you would get more variety. Even that's not the end of the world, Zard tards are dominating right now and even though my default team mode doesn't play well into it I'm still having fun playing around it.

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They can't even get shirt textures correct.

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>>59172628
>give me Tera
Go back to SHARTdown.

>>59172637
Small company please understand

>>59172637
why are you looking at her shirt when her armpit is right there?

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>battle that got me into Master Ball tier was won by the opponent rage quitting after I got a double Rock Slide flinch
I mean I'll take it. The flinch helped but the game was nowhere near done. His Orthworm could have walled my entire team.

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>>59172659
just won a game because aggron's rock slide flinched their snorlax for 3 turns straight
I would've been seething

>>59172624
Eh, from time to time. But you're ultimately right, the risk is far too grave for the reward. But I don't know what to switch it with.
>>59172628
>Z-moves
Worst gimmick.

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>>59172499
>Dynamax Mega-Ray
>Tera Steel Mega-Ray

>>59172425
The greatest joke people ever played was that Pachirisu winning worlds meant your favorite shitmon was more viable in doubles than singles.

>>59172425
A lot of my favorites are NFEs or shitmons. At this point I am just hoping for a good spin off game

>>59172425
>>How bad of an idea is it to have a format where your team's total BST can't exceed a certain number?
Those metas have been tried countless times.
Turns out BST is a terrible measure for what's good or not. Look at how many Pokemon with high BST are shit and how many with low BST are very good. And then there's things like Smeargle and Ditto that are basically free slots.
It simply becomes a massive min-max game, and you can always pack two or three extremely low BST shitmons and fill the other three slots with super high BST goodmons.

>>59172706
NTA But maybe they should include moves and abilities into the calculus. Have an established currency that you can buy Pokemon, Abilities, and moves with, all weighted by their usage (rather than arbitrary judgement of their value). Like if Incineroar's Intimidate has 100% usage, it cost 100 more currency to use. Meanwhile Blaze at 0% usage would be free. Then you have to spend points on moves. Ember is free, Fakeout is another 100 points. And you can price these things on a scale so that Ember might remain free until it hits a certain usage.

>>59172724
>have to spend more to use non shit moves
Easily one of the worst ideas I have ever heard. Amazing job, moron.

>>59172724
That's not going to make more people use less used abilities, moves or Pokémon. It'll just make using what people actually want to use way more annoying. This isn't a grocery store where you're choosing between brands. Things are objectively stronger and weaker.

I wish they brought back the regional statistics the Global Link website had. I am saying this mainly because I live in a small country and I miss being ranked 3rd place in the nation from doing the bare minimum because only a dozen people here played online.
I want to be a big fish in a small pond again damn it.

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>>59172577
I tried to use a meme TR+AV team with Slowbro, G-Slowking, A-Ninetales, free cherish ball Marchamp, etc. but kept losing in Ultra Ball to common combos like Zard Y+Venusaur, Arch+Pelipper, and Garchomp+Orthworm.
>replaced TR setter Slowbro with Tailwind+Wideguard Aerodactyl
>replaced Slowking with Quiver Dance+Heat Wave Volcarona
>replaced Scope Lens Machamp with Black Belt Lucario
>made A-Ninetales max speed instead of minimum speed
>Volcarona at +1 with free cherish ball Mega Garloid (male) in the back just destroy everything because no one runs WG
>Aerodactyl’s Dual Wingbeat eats Sneedlers for lunch
>go on a winstreak by forsaking TR for TW
Slowbrosisters I failed you…

>>59172727
Yup! Weaker mons with strong moves will be roughly equal in cost to stronger mons with weaker moves.
>>59172734
It will if they can't afford them on their team.

>>59172639
why do people hate the best gimmick again?

>>59172637
Lmfao that looks so fucking bad

>>59172629
Sounds like Sonic Forces music

>>59172762
Probably because their favorite pokemon didn't get a mega.

I think I have perfected my team. I just won 6 in a row in masterball.
T-tar, Aerodactyl, Farigiraf, Clefable, Aggron, Meganium.
Whats my weakness? I don't even know.

It's nice to see Aggron do so well.

>>59172825
I keep facing teams that just bring physical mons. All I need is 1 iron defense setup with trick room or follow me support and Aggron auto wins into that.
Feels so good eating a stab earthquake and not even losing 20% hp only to fire back with a body press with 300+ defense

>>59171697
Unburden is glitched out. Doesn't proc when my White Herb or Focus Sash is used up. I used those items on Sneasler all the time on Showdown and SV and it worked just fine, so why is it broken here? Is ILCA really that incompetent?

>>59172871
>Is ILCA really that incompetent?
doesn't the "I" in "ILCA" stand for "incompetent"?

>>59171833
I too have been day-trading Eternal Floettes, but not to get shinies. You can get an E Floette for a shiny in like 5 minutes (provided you don't language specify and are prepared to take one of the million Simplified Chinese ones that are all pretty obviously dupes), and basically every other legendary can be had for any E Floette trivially. I turned community day shiny Tinkatinks into Walking Wake and Raging Bolt today.

Worth mentioning that all pokemon can be renamed as often as you want in Champions, regardless of OT or country of origin

>>59172875
What about the LCA?

>>59172877
Losers Can't Acreategoodgames

>>59172876
Word of warning, don’t take that floette to any vgc in person tournament, though I doubt you would. They dq for dupes.
Do names stay with the pokemon in home/other games or are they champs only?

>>59172871
Does Cloud Nine even work?

My scarfchomp: Uses spread moves for consistent damage, honest pokemon.
Their scarfchomp: rockslide only to hope for flinches and cheese with it, evil creature.
Is the captcha super slow for you guys too or just me right now?

>>59171833
I too have been day-trading Eternal Floettes, but not to get shinies. You can get an E Floette for a shiny in like 5 minutes (provided you don't language specify and are prepared to take one of the million Simplified Chinese ones that are all pretty obviously dupes), and basically every other legendary can be had for any E Floette trivially. I turned a pair of spare community day shiny Tinkatinks into Walking Wake and Raging Bolt today.

Worth mentioning that all pokemon can be renamed as often as you want in Champions, regardless of OT or country of origin

>>59172900
Yes it works. It doesn't make the weather go away. It just removes weathers effects while a cloud nine mon is out.

>>59172901
Glad it's not just me, I have to wait a good 20 seconds before I'm served the verification or the message telling me it's not required, and then the post takes about the same time to actually go up.

>>59172901
yeah it's been pretty fucked since they did that maintenance last night

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>>59170806
You’re welcome, dude is so disrespected and underrated

>>59172901
My scarfchomp: missalot

>Is the captcha super slow for you guys too or just me right now?
My posts have been slow as a pass user

>>59172889
How is the legality checker in HOME/Champions?
I haven't got around to getting this game yet. However, I did find this Ultra Sun game file with a fuckload of very obviously hacked battle ready mons. Might just slap it on my Ultra Sun cartridge and send everything to HOME. I don't go to IRL tournies anyway. I just wanna battle online.

>>59172928
My understanding of home is you’re more or less fine as long as it it is able to exist. So Hall of Origin Arceus is out, any illegal moves on a pokemon or stuff like that is out, but things like shiny partner cap Pikachu (only possible through a coding error) is fine.
As far as I can tell, Champions has no checker and just relies on Home, but my stuff is all legit/rng’d. The in person stuff is a lot more stringent. Like I said, if you have a dupe of another player’s pokemon, that’s a dq or removal of that pokemon, stuff that passes home can get you dq’d if it’s hacked, etc. there’s a separate checker they use.

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>>59172062
Assuming you're refering to champions, you don't need to level anything, they're auto-set to level 50 once they're in champions. Gastrodon is also tragically not in the game yet. I'll be honest, your movesets and team are garbage. The ability weather pokemon don't need to run the weather move, stealth rocks is near useless in doubles since you barely switch out, Castform which seems to be the centerpiece behind this meme team doesn't even have the proper moveset to utilize the weather. Weather ball copies the weather type, so his remaining moves should be things like blizzard or thunder which can provide spread damage or coverage weather ball can't get him.

If we're gonna do this, we do this right. Castform is a horrible pokemon statwise and has virtually nothing of value to offer on a single weather team. His only unique trait is that he changes type based on weather, so we'll utilize that fact as much as we can to justify it's existance. Give Castform max speed and spAtk and a modest nature so he can hit as hard and fast as possible because he's going to need it. Give him a choice scarf so he can actually outspeed some things. Normally choice scarf locks you into a single move until you switch out, but castform lets us cheat, since we can change weather ball's type just by changing the weather. For his moveset, of course weather ball, then hurricane, thunder, and solarbeam.

Next we're consolidating your weather. swapping back and forth to change the weather can fuck you over by wearing down the rest of your team and makes castform your only threat half the time. Instead, we're going to use Klefki. Klefki has the prankster ability, which makes status moves go first no matter how fast klefki is, and he can learn sunny day, rain dance and sandstorm. Castform doesn't have a sand form, but weather ball does change to rock type in sand so we'll make note of it.

[comment's too long so I'll continue in another post]

>>59171833
I tried doing the same with my shiny Garbodor but no one wants it lol

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>>59172062
>>59172946
[continued]
For his remaining moves klefki has some options. Metal sound to nab surprise KOs on things Castform shouldn't be able to kill, or reflect/lightscreen to keep the little guy alive one extra turn, or just thunder wave to heavily lower the speed of whatever you want. Let's go with metal sound for now since the goal of the team is sneaky castform KOs and it facilitates that. Give it a mental herb as the item and build it for full physical bulk.

Now we can't have Klefki as our only option for weather control so we'll also add Sableye. He has the same prankster ability and rain dance/sunny day. For the last 2 give him fake out so he can flinch a pokemon on the first turn and let castform attack, and encore which can cripple a pokemon by forcing it to repeat a useless move like protect over and over. Sableye is also crucially immune to fake out as he's a ghost type. Build him for special bulk and give him a focus sash.

Now you'll notice none of our pranksters get snow, and ice is a very good attacking type, so we'll add in Alolan ninetails(or whatever snow warning pokemon you happen to have). This one we'll give blizzard, Aurora veil, moonblast, and protect. Timid nature, max speed and special attack and give it nevermeltice. It'll be very good at keeping castform alive when he should definitely not be and supplement it's low damage with powerful blizzards.

With that we have more than enough weather to play with. What you need now is backups for when castform inevitably goes down. Basculegion is a great attacker who has swift swim, and will double his speed in rain. With prankster you can set rain and have him surprise and outspeed an opponent who was faster before, playing well into the weather shuffle minigame this team is designed for. Go ahead and give it mystic water with adamant max atk max speed. Flip turn, wave crash, last respects, and psychic fangs to deal with sneasler.

[too long, one more comment]

>>59172928
My understanding of home is you’re more or less fine as long as it it is able to exist. So Hall of Origin Arceus is out, any illegal moves on a pokemon or stuff like that is out, but things like shiny partner cap Pikachu (only possible through a coding error) is fine.
As far as I can tell, Champions has no checker and just relies on Home, but my stuff is all legit/rng’d. The in person stuff is a lot more stringent. Like I said, if you have a dupe of another player’s pokemon, that’s a dq or removal of that pokemon, stuff that passes home can get you dq’d if it’s hacked, etc. there’s a separate checker they use.

>>59172678
>pachirisu winning worlds
Anyone who says this in competitive discussion should be ignored because they don't play and are ass at mons. It wasn't even his favorite (at that time) mon. It was just the mon that best suited the role needed for that team (which he said btw)

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>>59172062
>>59172955
[continued]

Your final slot is a freebie. Choose whichever mega or another pokemon you personally like that can deal damage and put it here, then build it to work alongside what the team offers. It doesn't need to be weather focused, you have enough of that.

The gameplan as should be obvious is to throw castform in and start spamming weather ball, and using your prankster mons to priority change the weather to shift it and castform to the type you need while also neutering opponent's weather teams. MegaCharizard for example is outspeed by scarfed castform and dies to weather ball after you set up rain on him, and you can follow up by going back to sun to hit whimsicott without needing to swap out castform and reset his scarf. You can also use it defensively, throwing out a sunny day to gain fire type and resist fairy moves for example. You'll need to play well to use it, but the sheer surprise factor shouldn't be understanted. People likely have no idea how they should react to castform and may even ignore it thinking(correctly) that it's a horrible pokemon and not expecting how hard weather ball hits even from the boobie cloud.

>>59172981
tfw run weather ball on dragonite and for whatever reason people keep swapping or even leading kingambit next their zards (I onetap it with weather ball after they mega evolve)

single 6s when?

what team did you guys hit master rank with? you DID already hit master rank, right?

>>59172938
>if you have a dupe of another player’s pokemon, that’s a dq or removal of that pokemon
It's honestly crazy to me that that's a rule in a tournament structure that allows rental teams to be used. Anyway it won't matter anymore, VGC is all on Champions now, and Champions is a separate mon data structure, we have no idea what kind of legitimacy checks (if any) the game uses or makes available. It no longer even has the rental code logic in it, the new system only encodes mon attribute values and forces you to retrain your OWN mons to match them, so the process of submitting your team rental code for their use and review will no longer even expose your mons to their checks.

>>59172928
One particularly odd thing is that the game evidently refuses to allow mons to visit if they do not have any "recent game". If they came over from Bank and have just sat there and never visited any modern game, evidently Champions refuses them. IDK if that's true, it's what I've read.

>>59172994
I'll show when when I hit master....

>>59171889
You "need" at most SV and Legends Arceus. The exclusive megas you need ZA for are mid. SV and LA have the most meta mons. A Home subscription is only useful for connecting to Bank.

>>59172724
There is a format that does this, it's called draft league, players bid for pokemon from a fixed reserve of team points and then are stuck with that roster for the entire tournament, which they can use to build their various teams (usually you draft 10-12 mons and get a couple of weeks to repurpose them based on the opponent you are facing). Because of the bidding process, a mon's "power level" is discovered by the bidding mechanism, assuming most players have a good understanding of a mon's overall meta value. You don't need an objective metric for determining a mon's cost, you just rely on player knowledge to set it for you.

I actually think you could do something moderately similar in a ladder format, where you use overall usage rates from the prior season of the ladder to set cost and then make people bid on a budget for the current season. You can just use a rolling window to update costs so it's not total disarray every few months.

>>59173004
>One particularly odd thing is that the game evidently refuses to allow mons to visit if they do not have any "recent game".
But I grabbed my Aegislash and Hawlucha from Y and put them into Champions immediately with no problem.

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>>59172994
Ttar, Raichu, Clefable, Meowstic, Ceruledge, Mega Steelix

>>59173012
You don't need PLA for anything. All the Hisui forms are in SV.

I want legendaries...

>>59172994
No, I'm still in Great Ball

>>59173018
Not all of them. I think you get a freebie Growlith and that's it

>>59171944
What are you gonna trade for Floette? You can't trade Champions pulls.

I've actually made it a personal mission to try to play Champions without spending any money to unlock stuff, exclusively as a phone player without a Switch. At minimum you need a Home subscription, and to invest time in Pokemon Go to gather Pokemon as a starting resource to aggressively trade on the GTS. If you try to play Champions using ONLY Champions itself, you are gonna have a bad time. Nobody playing seriously is NOT using Home to supplement their roster, past the free bot wins stage you're suffering unless you HAPPENED to pull a meta team out of your ass in your first couple of ranch visits.

>>59173032
You can get all of them through trades in SV. No point buying and playing through an entire separate game to get them.

>>59172994
Floette, Delphox, Aerodactyl, Garchomp, Maushold and Kingambit. Probably need to hammer out the EVs a bit more, pretty sure Delphox has way more speed than it needs.

>>59172994
Crabominable Slowking Incineroar Farigaraf Kinggambit Hydrapple
It sucks I have to work hard to win at 1700 lmao

>>59172994
I keep trying to make my shitmon teams work because if I copy/paste then I won't feel like I did it myself.

>>59173040
By that logic you don't need SV either because you can get the SV mons in trades too via GTS. Agreed you shouldn't get the game just for the 3/4 relevant mons but saying SV is the answer while still having to rely on trades defeats the purpose

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I didn't know Wolfey was a Chikoritafag.

>>59172994
Quaquval, M-Aero, Starmie, H-Arc, Corviknight, M-Luc.

>>59173067
Wolfey says whatever will put the most food on the table and this is what people want to believe

haven't played competitive pokimans in years. any video/content/guide to get me started?

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Is there a way to make him work with Whimsinigger as his partner? Jolly Machamp outspeeds and OHKOs Scarf Basculegion after Tailwind and Helping Hand.
>252 Atk Machamp Helping Hand Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Basculegion: 236-278 (120.4 - 141.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>59172994
I'm still in great ball 1 but also i don't know much about compmon and not netdecking.

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>>59173067
>>59173071

metafag holocaust now

>>59173079
Use to Protect to buy a turn, or use Trick Room instead
Heavy Slam, Knock Off, Dynamic Punch, Protect with No Guard sounds alright

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>>59173087
nigga heil koffing

>>59173079
Just use an actual dark type if you are that desperate to kill Basculegion

>>59173094
I like No Guard Cross Chop+Stone Edge+Scope Lens better than Dynamicpunch because it helped net me some kills on Archie and Mega Dragonite after breaking Multiscale.

>kill sneasler turn 1
>immediate forfeit
>next match
>kill venusaur turn 1
>immediate forfeit

>>59173079
He does better in trick room but jolly tailwind works if you can stop your opponent from setting tailwind aswell. Close combat also kills incin if he has a white herb to stop the intimidate. Dont do noguard dynamicpunch memes just stick to CC, knock off and wide guard to cuck blizzard and eruption spam. Just stick protect, Ice punch or rock slide in the last slot.

You can grab him from the mystery gift if you need it too.

>>59173116
I usually forfeit if one of my pokemon gets insta-killed by some retarded bullshit when I'm trying to set up

>>59173107
I’ve killed multiple Basculegion by leading with Kingambit Sucker Punch, but I feel like eventually the Timmys will catch onto that and just start switching to Sneedler when they see Kingambit. Killing big hitters with Helping Hand and Machamp seems like it’ll be really lulzy.

>lose so much I get fed bots.
FUCK YOU I DON'T WANT PITY WINS

>>59173138
ganbatte great ball anon

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>>59173033
Yeah, GO is where I farm pokemon to trade in the GTS. At a minimum you need GO and HOME to trade on the GTS for comp mons. As far as starting goes, the first pokemon you recruit in the tutorial determines the rest of the team you get to start with. One of those mons gives ttrar and Garchomp, can't remember which, which is a solid starting team for both doubles and singles.

>>59173145
They do. Alpha mons aren't alpha sized but they still have the max regular size scale in Champions.

>>59173138
They should really make the bots better. Giving shitty players a win now and again to keep them from being demoralized is good on paper, but the bots are so bad it's just insulting. It probably makes them feel even worse than just losing again. Give them like a normal AI at least on part with an average E4 trainer from the games and just have them run weak pokemon instead of good pokemon with abyssmal movesets.

>>59173154
Yeah but I miss the exaggeration. I've been seeing fucking tiny serperiors though

>>59173154
They need to implement alpha pokemon in the gacha. I can imagine people draining their VP to get alpha pokemon. No one gives a fuck about random titles but everyone would want an alpha on their team

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>>59173145
>>59173154
Yeah, the size difference isn't too bad in champions. Here's an Alpha vs XS as according to ZA (the XS doesn't have "the Teensy" title so it's not the smallest possible size)

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>>59173173
I think the stadium really fucks with some sizes

>>59172871
Unburden 100% works gaslighter-kun.
You’d have to be stupid to assume it doesn’t or maybe you just don’t know anything about pokemon.

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>>59173176
Nah, Mamoswine is just massive
>meanwhile, Azumarill

You can view the size of mons from their summary in ZA. XL and XS are very noticeably different in size in Champions. Alphas are always XL

>>59173176
Bro is playing with ancient creatures

Is the extra box space a one time purchase kinda thing?

>>59173223
You get 50 from the starter pack and a 20 from grinding up to master ball rank. So 100 box space total right now if you don't buy the dumb subscription thing.

>underspeed my froslass so it's one point slower than timid zard so I can mega evolve after
>everyone is using modest or something
sixty niggers

>>59173133
I'm consistently shocked how this keeps working.

>>59173223
For the starter pack yeah. I assume the 1000 extra spaces you get for the premium membership only works as long as you keep up your sub.

>>59173236
Everyone is switching to slow bulky zard so they don't auto-lose to every random rock move. The guy who got 1st in the warm up competition thing ran it so everyone is copying his EV spread.

>>59173004
I have a shitload of hacked mons from my 3DS games that have immediately gone to champions without any issues.

>>59173056
At least you’re able to get wins anon. I’m stuck at low 1600s after starting at low 1800s because of this BS >>59172297

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>Playing against a hard trick room team
>Taunt their giraffe with Gyarados turn 1 while Froslass sets up with nasty plot
>They forefit

>>59172994
Farigiraf, Machamp, Snorlax, Ampharos

I don't get how this is supposed to work. I try to bring strategies like trick room or weather but in the end I get destroyed by literal children who bring two offensive mons and just click attacks for four turns in a row. Is shit that takes setup time a meme?

Recruited a shiny Pigeot from my second wife

I just looked at how weather effects look like in PBR and now I'm fucking mad.

>>59173262
Weather should be set passively (with active weather setters being your plan B) and if you're allowed to set Trick Room that should set you up to win even if the Pokemon that set it gets killed. And getting hit during your set up is expected, that's why you try to force switches or debuff.

>>59171697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NDZxe7sVd8

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>>59173258
>Tauntrados
my fucking nigger

>>59173262
I don't understand the appeal of setup shit at all. It's all designed around being as linear and uninteractive as possible. You play your sacrifice lead who sets up for you and then you sweep with something else. It's so fucking boring.

"Pressing random attack buttons" unironically takes more skill and can affect the game in way more interesting ways. Even DDance type shit is more dynamic since there's more ways to interact with it.

>>59173309
>what the fuck? why would anyone ever bother using a move that does NO DAMAGE??
i am starting to understand why you retards have earned the name "campaignshitter"

>>59173305
They never expect the max bulk support gyarados/volcarona

Just went on a 12 game win streak to hit Master Ball rank. Wide Guard is such skill check it just destroys so many teams.

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>>59171928
Tatora is ugly but I have an extreme urge to make her pregnant

Champions rank is in the game now

>>59172994
M-Tyranitar, Excadrill, Corviknight, Sinistcha, Milotic and Garchomp/Incineroar.

>>59173377
Post team

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>>59172994
>>59173399

Wolfey just hit champion tier on stream. You only get a title for hitting it, no more extra box slots.

>>59173400
Do you need to be Champions Rank for your opinion to matter

>>59173406
How well did this work? is it me or is the board shitting itself today

Is Meowsic a good support? I was eyeing supports for Mega Starmie and it seems like female Meowstic has Competitive as its ability, fake out and all that but it doesnt seem like it could take a hit from Sucker Punch if it comes down to it

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So how do I look at new pokemon in the ranch? I see the "You can meet a new lineup at no cost!" message, but the only option I can press is "View Current Lineup."

Do I have to return the pokemon I got from the initial tutorial or something?

>>59173409
I care about your opinion anon

>>59173414
Every 22 hours you can add a new rental pokemon to your roster out of 10 possible choices. You then either spend 2500 VP or tix if you want them to be permanent

>>59173414
You have to recruit 1 Pokemon to reroll the ranch. Do temporary recruit so it costs nothing then immediately release it. This is a well designed game.

>>59173414
You have to pick one from your current lineup to do another roll. Just rent one temporarily if you don't like any of the picks.

My dumbass just found out you don’t need NSO to play this game

>>59173408
So it's not worth getting then?

>>59173411
Extremely well started using it around Great Ball Rank 2 or 3 and did not lose a game all the way to Master Ball.

>is it me or is the board shitting itself today
No it's happening to everybody.

>>59173409
Champion Tier is just Top 300 by ELO, so I guess so but not many people are going to have that rank

>>59173411
The site is broken today

>>59173429
Yeah, I got worried when I booted up the game but turned out Ninty is at least courteous enough not to force NSO on Champions

>>59173409
Nobody here will reach Champions Rank. We're all shitters.

>>59173432
>Top 300
Oh fuck not sure if I'm quite tryhard enough to go for that.

>>59173397
This is my exact team that got me to Ultra Ball, except I’m using Hippowdon instead of Excadrill and Sinistcha. I might swap Hippo for Sini since I need more Grass coverage for enemy Water types, as well as something immune to Fake Out and Close Combat.

>>59173434
Free games don't need NSO like Pokemon Unite, Fornite, Apex Legends and Pokemon Champions

Did reaching champion tier give you more box spaces or any other rewards?
Not sure if it's worth to grind in master tier because I kinda suck and most of time I only won by luck. I don't want to drop to ultra rank

>>59173432
>>59173441
So no one's opinions here matters?

At least we can talk about sex with the pokegirls

>>59173458
No, you only get VP. You also cannot drop from Ultra back to Great and can't drop from Master back to Ultra. Although I assume Champion is the exception if it's only the top 300

>>59173458
Only gives the Champion title. No box space. Non-poopsockers can rest easy knowing they aren't missing out on extra boxes.

>>59173458
From what’s been said it’s only a title that’s given out at Champions rank. So MB is the only real one worth grinding to if you care about extra box spaces

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Every team using Sneasler

>>59173479
lmao didn't they hear that dire claw got nerfed? he's useless now

>>59173479
Genuinely baffled they let this motherfucker and Incinechud into the game. They are so overtuned compared to 90% of the roster, it's insane

>>59173479
Redpill me on:
>Aerodactyl
>Mega Delphox
>Mega Floette
>regular Floette

>>59173479
Aegislash stocks are rising bros get yours today.

>>59173489
>Aerodactyl
Anti-Fire/Flying, Anti-Sneasler
>Mega Delphox
Fast and Strong, Anti-Sneasler
>Mega Floette
Basically Xerneas
>regular Floette
Having a laugh

>>59173479
>dude we NEED the obnoxious overtuned fucks from Gen 9 in the early meta
Jesus Christ this company needs to hire a third party to balance their shit

>>59173479
if your pokemon has less usage than regular floette then drop it IMMEDIATELY

>>59173489
>Aerodactyl
One of the fastest mons in the format. Can set Tailwind. Dual Wingbeat counters Sash Sneasler. Rock Slide rapes Charizard
>Mega Delphox
Also stupidly fast. Pairs well with Garchomp because of Levitate. Doesn't have the 4x rock weakness like Zard. Outspeeds and destroys Sneasler with Psychic
>Mega Floette
It's like Mega Gardevoir but better. If you don't have immediate counters to it then it sets up Calm Mind and sweeps
>regular Floette
Not in the game. It just shows up sometimes because of how team sheets are input. If you ever see a normal Floette on a team it's actually Eternal.

>>59173489
>Aerodactyl
Counters a lot of the meta, it's the fastest non prankster tailwind setter, it counters focus sash with Dual Wingbeat, and stops pokemon from eating berries and Sitrus Berry is everywhere
>Mega Delphox
Fast and hard hitting and counters Snealser
>Mega Floette
Hits like a truck the best Mega currently
>regular Floette
Nothing special you only use it for it's mega

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>>59172994
I'm stuck in Ultra Ball 1 Limbo. Every time I think I'm gonna make it I get BTFO two or three consecutive games.

>>59173479
>mamoswine no 13
what am I missing about this big lad that's making people use him?

>>59173479
I can only hope halfway through the seasons they do what they did during that one time in SS where the top 10 Pokemon for both singles and doubles are banned in both.

>>59173501
Never, we niche

>>59173509
I'm breezing through with my niche team and I've never played competitive before. Have you tried using your favorites?

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>>59173479
EF Floette still has higher stats than Florges even without Mega. Let that sink in

>>59173510
Max Atk Ice Shard dunks on Garchomp. Also Thick Fat means it's taking less damage from Fire and Ice move

>>59173527
Speed is wrong, E-Floette actually has 1 less than Florges

>>59173236
I was told mega evo order is randomized in champions for some stupid reason rather than being based on speed.

>>59173536
It was broken on release and they patched in a update. It now works like it did originally in the 3DS games

>stuck in great ball 2 since launch
>every battle I win I lose 3 more and end up back in bots
>play a fun team
>get destroyed
>play a meta rain team that everyone seems to get to master ball with
>still get destroyed
I genuinely don't know what I'm doing wrong, every battle just goes wrong for me. I'm not having fun with this game and it really hurts because everyone makes it look and sound so easy, but none of my battles ever go my way. The campaign tells me I'm such a good battler but that goes out the window now that there's real people. The main games are too easy but this is too hard. This sucks why didn't they make a single player battle mode for people like me.

>>59173400
I JUST STARTED COMP
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET TO THIS LEVEL

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>>59173550
top 300 elo in the world

>>59173547
>play a meta rain team that everyone seems to get to master ball with
Post team and evs. Most of the skill involved is comp Pokemon is just knowledge checks and predicting what your opponent will most likely do in a given turn and reacting accordingly.

>>59173529
>not Oblivious to block Intimidate and fuck Incineroar with HH

>>59172675
>Not tera-flying
Bruh 1 job

>>59173547
>>59173550
To be good at competitive you need to study sets and to recognize patterns.
Basically you need to know what your opponent is going to do and how to counter it. Luckily the studying part isn't very hard, there are online sources like Pikalytics and Smogon which gives a good idea on how pokemon are played. I also used to watch a lot of poketubers, I watched guys like Shofu and Haydunn, Jimothy Cool is this one I've been watching recently and he's pretty good too. Of course you will also learn from simply playing the game and getting lots of exposure to what's kicking your ass. Getting destroyed is part of the learning experience, it's a good thing.
Once you know how individual pokemon are played, you will eventually figure out how entire teams are going to be played, you will know your opponent's gameplan, you will even be able to predict what the opponent is going to lead with. Of course, the opponent is going to be doing this to you too, so be prepared to outpredict their prediction.
Mindgames and Memorization, that's competitive Pokemon.

>>59173576
>oblivious
Okay, I might need to try that.
>HH
Don't you always run EQ anyway?

>>59172425
>implying playing singles helps shitmons be more viable in any way

I wonder if they got the same guys who did Pocket on this. It feels similar. The moveset changes and meta stuff are actually kind of well thought out (even though there are obvious standouts). If it's anything like Pocket, it'll be good for 1 more regulation before they start rushing out packs with pseudos and shit every month.

>>59173607
Pocket is by DeNA. If Champions were developed by them, your daily VP gain would be capped at 1000

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Which of these rental mons should I keep and which should I turn to glue?

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Personally I rub my penis on her forehead for good luck

>>59173600
Not if it kills your teammate. Sometimes you don't want to protect.

i want to try hitting master rank in doubles but I'm too scared

>>59173613
Probably just Mudsdale. The rest seem to have a niche somewhere

>>59173616
So it's either 75BP to 2 targets or 95BP to one.

>>59173613
if we are talking meta and your team in particular; every single one except maybe aerodactyl. Though glimmora is kinda funny, but im not sure how to build around it

Considering making a Mega Gyarados team with Mega Kang as an alt Mega. Already settled on Aerodactyl being the Tailwind setter and am thinking DDance, Taunt, Waterfall and either Earthquake or Stone Edge as its moves. What other mons work well with Mega G?

>>59173621
As in, get rid of Mudsdale and keep the rest?
>>59173623
I do wanna keep aerodactyl, he expires in 22 hours. I guess I might run mega starmie later and I heard there's some good stuff with glimora. Not sure about the ghost dragon, and I've had my shit pushed in by that gay green cat so I rented him to give him a try.

So I guess... Umbreon, the Fridge, that weird pink hammer dude, Mudsdale, and weird dragon ghost dude are all safe to turn into glue?

>>59173636
Umbreon and Tinkaton (pink hammer) are niche but viable picks in singles (I think Umbreon can work well in doubles too)
Fridge is good on Mega Froslass teams
Dragon ghost dude is very good it's just suffering for the lack of items atm

If you don't care about any of that you are safe to glue

>>59173635
Aegislash

>>59173636
>Umbreon, the Fridge, that weird pink hammer dude, Mudsdale, and weird dragon ghost dude are all safe to turn into glue?
That sounds about right. The ghost dragon is kinda good, but we have better dragons in the format

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>>59173145

>Gen 9 gave Slowkang a signature Snow + switch out move
Maybe I can actually get Glaceon to work

>>59173641
>>59173647
Thanks, guess I can always turn the dragon into glue until I have more space and I want one, might keep the fridge then since Frosslass is one of my favorite pokemon ever and I might start working on a frosslass team by transfering her from my older DS/3DS games. I think I'll glue umbreon as I can probably breed one in one of the games, probably in Moon. I don't have SV and LZA are the only games I am missing/havent played, but might play SV later

I am 1850.546 Master Ball Tier
I do consider myself pretty elite.
Can I ever get to win a regional?
Nope, but to be fair I am running trick room torkoal eruption cheese and Ttar-M

How high do I get to go in singles before people actually start realizing that espartha is not something to dick around in front of?

>>59173614
I want to bully Tatora for her massive forehead

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Delphox is slower than Whimsicot so I mega evolve to try to kill Whimsicot before he sets up tail wind but I'm still moving after Whimsicot. Whimsicot wasn't using choice scarf or quick claw. What's going on here?

>>59173670
Prankster

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>>59173662
>I do consider myself pretty elite
>only 1850

>>59173669
Me too but only during non baby making sex

>>59173670
>Prankster (Japanese: いたずらごころ Prank Desire) is an Ability introduced in Generation V.

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>>59173652
Glaceon should get Chilly Reception AND Snow Warning

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How do i keep track of speed tiers while playing? is there like a website where you can just monitor the current speed tier
>>59173607
The thing about pocket is that i can see exactly how they wanna squeeze normies of money. But rerolling pokemon is not exactly the best way to do it now, even with shinies, since it is useless outside of Champions. I legitimately do not see who would even spend a dollar on this game

>>59173670
Whimsicott has Prankster, which gives priority to non-attack moves.

My new strategy is shiny lopunny in a love ball

>>59173680
Snow Warning Glaceon would just get outclassed by other Snow Warning mons like Vanilluxe and Aurorus. Slush Rush would actually do something for it

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>>59173685
>he doesn't instinctively know speed tiers for relevant mons, including their common spreads and neutral/positive nature
NGMI

>>59171818
it works the same as it used to
max sleep turns is cut in half then rounded down, so in champions you have 1 max sleep turn (3/2 = 1.5 = 1)

>1920 in doubles is only top 3000
Got some work to do fellas

>>59172673
earth power's a good coverage option
it won't be doing adaptability damage but it doesn't need to if it's only there to shred ground weak targets
you could also slot in spiky shield to punish physical attacks if the need arises

>>59173698
>Vanilluxe
Shit stats and poor move pool. Glaceon would be superior in almost every role you'd want the shitcone for.
>and Aurorus
4x weakness to fighting and the rock stab doesn't make up for it. Glaceon would be superior.

>>59172871
>Doesn't proc when my White Herb or Focus Sash is used up.
unburden never procs
it's a passive ability that changes your speed in the background the instant you lose your held item
there's no in-game popup that says it's online and there never has been

>>59173685
Aight nvm, im silly. found the smogon link
>https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/champions-ou-speed-tiers.3780503/

>>59173710
I went with Spiky Shield. I also swapped Kleavor with Arcanine-Hisui. I really need Aerodactyl.

>>59173672
>>59173678
>>59173691
nta but is there any counter to Prankster? just taunt right?

>attack taking protect/fake out into account
>they don't
>don't attack taking protect/fake out into account
>they do
Everytime

>>59173737
Dark types. It's a really stupid and forced immunity.

>>59173722
just beg for someone for aerodactyl then. Surely you have Home to trade with people, right
>>59173737
Dark types are fully immune to prankster. But for the current argument's sake of prankster tailwind, there sorta isnt one other than a somehow faster prankster taunt user. But yes, if you taunt the whimsicott, prankster is useless now

Not to rag on the guy asking about prankster, but stuff like this is exactly why we don't have Grimmsnarl and stuff like that at launch and that's perfectly fine