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>Where do I start?
no you dont
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>>>77282139
The vials are pre-sealed/ pre sterilized
I wash the beaker and stir bar before brewing, brew the oils, draw it up into a syringe, and inject it into the vials with a sterile 22 micron filter attached.
1-2% BA for preservative.
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Trying something different for current cycle.
TRT of pharma 125mg test per week + 600iu HCG, split into 2 doses of 62.5mg and 300iu, mon/thurs, mon/fri alternating schedule, and have added a SARMS stack.
Wk1-2 injectable Yk11 15mg/day, 5days a week pre workout
Wk2-4 up the dose to 25mg/training days
Felt incredible, similar to low dose tren without the sides and some of the extreme hardening. Strength is up and muscles are full while getting leaner.
Wks 4-6 added in liquid LGD 3033, this is an amazing compound if you can get legit 3033. The injectable version is supposed to be goated but quite unstable to produce so most legit sources stick with oral tablets or liquids now. (Not to be confused with LGD 4033, which is like a meh version of low dose dbol)
17mg per training day pre workout (5x a week)) and 8.5mg on my 2 off days, in the morning. This added in vascularity, hardness, aggression and more strength. I feel like I did when I was doing 50mg tren ace/50mg test prop eod. Really getting shredded now while gym performance is going up. Wk 6-8 I plan to up the 3033 to 25mg training days and 17mg rest days.
Whew lads, I know this can't replace huge bulking stacks of Test/Deca/Drol/HGH for mass monsters, but I see no reason to go with anything else for cutting or recomp unless you get 0 tren sides
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>>77282298
a few manufacturers have been raided this year alone, but some stuff has trickled back. well wise just stocked domestic mast. primo hard to find, and $100 when you can. forget finding raws. china stepped up shipping inspections on their side, so stuff has a good chance of not even leaving the country. lots of shippers are randomly shutting down and popping up just to disappear again. us has increased seizures. ugl's dropping reship policies. hgh prices up too. china post just sending all powders back no matter what they are, even if they're legal. i think they're trying to fix their global image to look like a more attractive trade partner to pick up the baton after dumbass mister let's run a country like a business is done turbo fucking the us's global reputation
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>>77283078
Just bought some overpriced hgh (340 iu for $300) from a US vendor I found on eroids. China vendor from glp1 forum says they have shit in stock. 36iu for $170
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>tfw the test is on the way
Gonna leave humanity behind bros
Starting with 300mg test, maybe sprinkle a little anavar 10 weeks in after I've had blood work done, depending on how I feel.
Get the bodyfat down a bit, learn how to manage side effects.
Then when winter comes the blast will begin.
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>>77283128
That's a pretty standard price for China. Go to meso and look for the vendors thread. Read back 50 or so pages to see if it's been tested by users
>>77283159
Anabolic have been severely cracked down. Raws and tabs are almost nonexistent and oil prices have doubled. EU and straya options have probably decreased by 50%. Brazil? forget about it
>>77283231
Go look at old Tracy's price lists and selection from December 24. If you don't know who Tracy is, probably stop talking
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>>77283244
Alright fuck it I'll pay $1 per IU for non Chinese gh
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>>77283692
Unless your getting Pfizer or testing your ugl batch yourself, you're getting low dose HCG labelled as HGH, its bad rn, not worth it.
Just get mk677 at this point, at least you can tell if its real within a few days.
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>>77283692
It's probably not fake, thats a normal price for china. What do the buyer's tests in the vendor meso thread say? 1 of the big China vendors was pushing out 15% underdosed a few months ago. 1 advantage of USA is no customs, would suck to try and save $150, gets seized, China vendor ghosts and you're left with nothing. Now if China vendor has in-stock in a usa warehouse, jump on it. Tracy exit scam and the 2 S vendors getting raided really fucked up a great time
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>>77282980
there's money to be made
worst case is prices go up for a few years while we wait for someone to recognize the void, then fill it. it's never over. honestly at this point i wouldn't be shocked to hear china announce a total lockdown on aas, then a few months later rfk jr announce they're all legal now and oh by the way he's opened the first ever legal mail order roids company
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>>77283159
they're stopping any and all lypholized powders in vials. period. doesnt matter if it's tren, tirz, or ghk-cu. china's just not letting any of it go out. it's why shipping from china is a crap shoot right now, and can take six weeks
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>>77283994
>everything's over
>NO PEPTIDES ANYMORE, ANYTHING FROM CHINA, ZERO.
>I-I swear, it's over guys!!!!
Every year the same thing......
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>>77283814
Yes. Better to use a vendor with Domestic warehouses if you are in usa/eu/uk but kits are still getting through. Good vendors will reship if seized. But If it's between a domestic warehouse for $160 or a China warehouse for $110, go domestic
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>>77283776
lol, funny fear mongering. GH has never been cheaper; infact shit loads of the higher IU kits have been overdosed. My first time running GH was nightmare because of huge BP spike from water retention.
Glad people like you exist, makes it easier to upcharge faggots on GH.
>>77283636
Gear is the hardest one hit, I have to PREORDER raws just to get anything; the factories are barely producing raws at all and if they are it's a rotational between two compounds. Peptides, it's not bad atm. The market is flooded and the shipping situation is alot better, most packages take 9-15 days from China directly.
>>77285983
Why are natties obsessed with TBOL. Genuinely one of the weakest shittiest roids in existence.
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>>77286026
People are obsessed w. Tbol because it's the most widely tested/used steroid for athletics because of the East German Olympic program. As a result, there's a shitload of real world performance data and also rose-tinted glasses because if it worked for quasi-forced labor genetic freaks, it should work for Johnny DYEL. It's like the Tren of orals in its cult of personality.
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>>77287133
What is your LH and FSH? From there you can determine if you have primary or secondary hypogonadism. You have one or the other. If you have secondary then you can take enclomiphene but otherwise you need TRT. And I mean, need it. That is super low especially for 24.
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>>77282127
I see "hMG" for sale. But it's gotta be synthetic, or recombinant rather, and not harvested from actual humans right, nobody does that anymore do they.
Is it gonna be pure FSH then, or is there gonna be any LH in it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menotropin
>Recombinant gonadotropins have to a large degree replaced hMG in fertility treatments. The recombinant process allows for the production of pure FSH or LH not "contaminated" by other proteins that may be present after urinary extraction. While some head-on studies seem not to suggest that "pure FSH" gives better results than hMG,[7] others claim that recombinant FSH is more efficient and reduces costs.[8] A Cochrane Collaboration analysis did not reveal major differences in clinical outcomes when comparing urinary versus recombinant FSH.[9]
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>>77288843
I had similar values and my LH was over the reference range so I think it was primary for me (ball issue)
Either way I just read a lot of here and on r*ddit and decided to self medicate, was worth it.
I pin 200 a week now
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The crackdown is a hassle, but it's not an existential threat. Supply will go down and prices up briefly. Then it will reverse, but prices will probably stay a little higher. Inflation or some shit.
If anyone's really worried think about Tirz. That"s what this is really about. China turned Tirz from a half trillion dollar drug into a 200 billion dollar drug lol. Eli Lily has been crying about it for 3 years now and they haven't even put a dent in thr GLP-1 grey market.
It can't be stopped. There's too much money, it's too much if a hassle to crack down, and no one but drug ceos care.
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>>77289978
I wouldn't preload Ampule based oils. Safety first>infection in the muscle. There are some crazies that stock prophylatic antibiotics in case of a nasty pin, but the cheaper and smarter way is to do the standards:
Ampules in theory and in practice are safer, but ONLY for that specific draw.
>Pin ALL the ampule
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>Get vial with rubber seal and antimicrobials in it
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>>77289588
No this is secondary hypogonadism. Your LH is very low so your balls aren't doing much. Mind you, they might also not be putting out much for that given LH signal. Either way, enclomiphene would help. Basically your pituitary gland isn't doing its job or you have really bad genetics.
Options:
>enclomiphene 12.5mg, 1 pill daily, relatively cheap (cheapest I've seen is ~250 for 3 months)
>Oral TRT (easy to take, least results)
>Topical TRT (a cream you lather on your balls, 2 hour transfer risk)
>Injectable TRT (I believe the cheapest, but you're poking yourself at least twice a week the rest of your life)
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>200 mg/week Test E
>140 mg/week Var (20mg ed)
C-can I mog my gymbros on that? I've heard Var is superior to Test in terms of anabolism, so the above is supposed to be at least as effective as a 500mg Test cycle, right?
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>>77289913
Yea.... But Steroids never got hit this extremely fucking hard by the chinese government; the factory production is abysmal. It might be a better in a five years, but it's a wasteland that's slowly getting drier. No other country is taking up production in any way.
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>>77290298
Just say you're fucking poor. 20mg of var is what I've put girls on. 50mg is bare minimum for guys, if you can't afford it get winstrol.
>Is 2000 ng/dL testosterone old man-ish?
doesn't mean shit, if you wanna go all nerd "acktually" performance enhancement ramps up around 4-5 times natty levels for test. Mind you, almost every other compound is more anabolic than test. So why are you a bitch comrade?
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>>77290298
of course it stacks.
bitch dose + bitch dose = double bitch dose.
Why have you decided that 500mg beginner blast isnt good enough for you?
Why are you taking roids if you dont want to get fucking huge?
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>>77290145
i'm not that anon, but secondary hypogonadism can be stress related too. diet and lifestyle improvements are always a good choice, but that likely won't fix you, unless you're chain smoking, binge drinking, and doing coke all day every day, then topping it off with 20 hours of sleep a week and eating nothing but fast food
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>>77290433
no other country CAN take up production. china's undercut everyone for so long that pretty much every country goes there for pharma manufacturing. anyone else with any sort of capacity is highly regulated and monitored with professional in house narks, so there's no chance for them to go underground. that's why i was saying it'll be a few years until someone fills the void. maybe thailand. probably mexico.
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>>77290491
>not everyone is trying to get huge
You won't, you won't look good either.
>some guys just want to look really good on bitch doses
they won't, in fact they'd be embarrassed to admit they're even on gear.
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>>77290491
i'm not that anon, but if you just want to look good, take tirz with the facebook soccer mom group, and fuck off. i can guarangoddamntee you that 99% of women will go for 160lb mister skeletal over 220lb chad
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>>77290502
I think it'll be longer, crackdowns have happened before but never this drastic.
>>77290509
Or gear at a good dose and a GLP. Guys at 220lb 99% of the time aren't lean, and if they are single digit body fat they're running growth and slin.
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>>77290452
>bitch dose + bitch dose = double bitch dose
So let me get this straight.
200 Test + 200 Deca + 200 Var + 200 Tren + 200 Primo = 5 times a bitch?
I could swear a guy would get HUGE with 1g of roids/week, but apparently he will only become a hyper dyel bitch.
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>>77290533
May not be a bitch dose stack but its definitely stupid.
And what does this made up thing have to with the fact that a little bit of test and little bit anavar like you want to take will just make you like like a slightly bigger natty?
Why even roid at this point.
And you still did answer why you are too special to do the basic 500mg test blast?
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>>77290568
Why is it so important to do 500mg of one compound rather than 2 compounds that together will have the same anabolic effect?
Isn't Var supposed to be 3+ times more anabolic than the same anount of Test? If so, why won't someone doing the "bitch stack" get as huge as someone doing 500mg Test only? Why is the number 500 so important?
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>>77290579
go ahead and take 2 drugs you never took before at the same time.
you still refuse to answer why you are too special to do the 500mg beginner blast.
I guess because some faggot on tiktok told you otherwise and now you think you're smarter than every one else who have been doing this for years.
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>>77290145
Probably not with the level you're at. When I was 180lbs, borderline overweight, sleeping 6.5 hours a night and just started to diet, my test was at 300 something at age 30. Enclomiphene brought it up to 750. No amount of lifestyle changes are really going to do that desu. If you're obese then you might just be aromatizing all your test into estrogen in which case you should take an AI. But if you're otherwise relatively fit you can't really do much other than take a medication. It sucks but some guys are just naturally high test and if you want to have a level playing field then we have meds for that.
There are lots of male influencers out there advertising so many fads like zinc or cotton boxers to boost test. It's all fucking retarded bullshit. If they actually worked as PEDs that were accepted as non-PEDs then every man would be on them.
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>>77285980
Anon, I get it. Even if you don’t live with them, you see them on holidays or whatever. And even if you don’t tell them outright, eventually you reach a size where it’s obvious that you roid.
Tell them you appreciate their concern, you understand that it’s coming from a place of love. At the same time, you’re an adult and can make your own decisions. Tell them you’re being safe and sane about it—getting regular bloodwork, for example. And most importantly, tell them that you’re happier now than you’ve ever been.
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>>77290699
My mommy was seeing me get bigger and said "as long as you aren't doing steroids! I dealt with that with my brother he was a wreck"
I said it sounded like he didn't manage his E2 levels and she didn't know what that meant. I am safe.
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>>77290529
oh damn you think longer than a few years? i'm not disagreeing, i just don't want to put that kind of negative energy out there. lol. yeah, good gear, and glp. i too am 220lbs with a gut. just to belittle myself more, i eat like shit, and drink daily. i am doing myself no favors. on the plus side my lifts are going up, so i've got that going for me. i do need to try hgh some day... and buy more tirz. i squandered my last kit
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>>77291662
The first month will be the best month of your life anon, enjoy it. Made me feel like a teenager again.
>>77291922
I don't think there is anyone injecting hcg over taking a pill once a day desu anon.
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>>77290594
Dude I've done the 500mg Test E once. Good results, somewhat unpleasant sides.
Now your turn: you still refuse to answer what is so special about doing at least 500mg of one compound when I could do 2 compounds with the same (or even slightly better) combined anabolic effect and presumably less sides.
Is it some homosexual taboo about the numbers themselves, regardless of anabolic results?
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>>77292238
Right, that makes sense. I think that other anon was taking only enclo and wasn't blasting or cruising. If you're not on TRT at all then enclo is the common choice. It won't do anything for you unless your TRT dose is intermittent or weak enough.
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>>77292145
i'm not that anon, but it sounded like this was to be your first blast. first time you want to stick with one active just to see how you respond to it. after that, do whatever. more new things still complicates sorting out negative sides, but a lot of them just go back to e2 management anyway, so, whatever.
>>77292516
oddly reasonable? are you sure you're on the right board? i'd say 20 weeks, but, it's not like it'll make a life changing difference
>>77292904
someone else's idea of what is moral is not your idea of what is moral. ethically a large amount of exogenous anything taken willy nilly will cause problems for anyone, prescription or not, but you're not dumb, right anon? socially it's frowned upon by lots of groups because anything they don't like or don't understand is the devil, but we're (mostly) not those people. just don't go blabbing about it so you don't have to listen to people trying to guilt trip you for wanting to better yourself. you'll get over it. but why are you lightheaded? the fuck did you take? did you jab this shit into your neck? lol
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>>77292985
I sure hope you didn't pin 35ml bro.
>>77293312
I still get lightheaded and heart racing when pinning daily. Maybe it's because I have nicotine in while doing it but I just power through and deep breathes.
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>>77292964
>after that, do whatever.
In your opinion, is it likely that I get results as good as 500mg T with this 200mg T + 140mg Var?
I'm expecting fewer androgenic and estrogenic sides in comparison, but only time will tell. As I said, I only want to "mog the buddies", I'm aware no one gets huge with 200 T + 140 Var, but then again, no one gets huge with 500 T either.
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>>77293494
damn that's wild. sometimes my heart rate will go up a bit, but now that's usually just the first few times when starting a new blast. probably the mental aspect of pinning 2+ ml
>>77293821
bump up the var -- 50mg ed. no more than 60, as is diminishing returns. the problem with it though is what other anon said -- orals are hard on your organs since your body needs to process stuff that passes through your gut. you can only take var for so long before you get into the permanent liver damage zone. so what... 10-12 weeks of var? a blast is twice that. you could supplement the first month with var while you're waiting for the test to saturate though. so take it the first four weeks, and the last 10 weeks to wrap it up. 500mg test is fairly chill though, so I'd still do that. to answer your question though, you'll probably like the results at the dosages you listed, but they'll fade long before the end of a proper blast, and you'll lose the look mid blast which is always demoralizing. that's not good, because consistency is key
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>>77294172
What if I do the 20mg Var (plust Test) for 20 weeks? It's probably still gentle to the liver, and I should hold onto the results for longer, no?
>consistency is key
I believe that too, hence the conservative 20 week cycle
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>>77292964
Nah I just fed lightheaded when I’m putting things in my body. When I was injecting tirzepatide it took like 3 months before I got over it.
This was my first injection so I didn’t know if I was going to be allergic to it or if I was pinning it right. So I pinned the delt with a 27g 1/2 needle and didn’t get any redness the morning after,if there’s any swelling it’s minor, it’s just a bit warm. And there’s was just a spot of blood that came out. Overall I think it went well. Im doing .35ml daily for a total of 250 a week until i get my bloods done again and maybe increase
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Am I supposed to measure water intake, salt intake, electrolytes etc on a food scale and be precise about them or just go by feel?
I just salt food to taste and drink when I'm thirsty.
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>>77294292
i think it's more of a cumulative effect on your liver. it's like binge drinking every day. you gotta stop, and give your body time to recover. maybe you could take var for a longer period if you're taking udca/tudca? i've honestly never looked into that
>>77294295
ahh gotcha. other anon might be on to something. your body does react to this stuff. inflammation isn't unusual. if some oil gets in to your blood (happens), it's a very fast systemic reaction (just wait until your first 15 minute long coughing fit, where you feel like you're gonna die! good times). could be that. if it keeps happening, maybe try pinning subq?
>>77294468
drink a gallon a day. what are you taking that you're concerned about salt? i wouldnt stress about it unless you're getting tingly fingers, or you're pushing for single digit bf. single digit bf, then, yeah, you absolutely should be weighing your foods
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>>77294560
I'm not concerned about it more like intrigued since I never paid too much attention to it.
I saw a video on IG by Kyle Kirvay and he seems to be drinking 3 gallons a day and takes lots of electrolytes.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DXQHPBCkQWY/
I also know a lot of people increase potassium or drop salt intake to "debloat" and look "better", so it makes me wonder what the best water/salt/potassium etc ratios are?
Also wouldn't dropping this water weight mean losing some of your strength or can you both look "debloated" and not lose any strength?
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>>77294669
oh if you drink a lot of water like he foes you're actively pissing away your salts, and it will legit cause your body to shut down. he NEEDS to be taking salt. had to google the name, but hyponatremia. also if you drink a lot of water you might need vitamin/mineral supplements as well. i dunno about ratios. i know everyone always blamed salt causing water retention, but nasa some years ago found that too much and too little salt both cause water retention, since they have to deal with edema due to low gravity. maybe look up their findings? they might have a good answer for you. not exactly related to aas of course, but there might be something you can glean from it
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>>77294709
when I took it I noticed my blood pressure spiking and my dick not working. literally got out of a months long dry spell when I was first trying var and I couldn't get hard. dropped it and all was well
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what are you talking about?
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>>77295117
the shit people will come up with because they are scared of 500mg test. Or they tried it once and collapsed to the floor in a fetal position because they didnt know how to manage easily controlled side effects.
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>>77295158
Okay, now fit >>77295050 into tour explanation
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>>77295158
Sorry, I meant this >>77295087
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>>77295168
I'm not scared of 500. He's a newbie and I had amazing results on 350 (because hyper responder). It's dumb for a fraud virgin to risk bad sides when he has no idea how he'll respond to a lower dose. You aren't a badass for injecting more you just have shitty genes and/or don't know how to train or diet.
pic rel: my gfs
are you jealous?
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>>77295192
>hyper responder
there is no such thing
You responded normally.
And you're "amazing results" would have been more amazing with almost no extra risk if you just took 500mg like everyone has been saying for 20 years.
But I get it. You, like every other dyel newb, know better because you saw a cool looking tiktok video about it.
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500mg test
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>Lose Weight (this reduces fat overhang/pad and fixes bloodflow)
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5mg Cialis (tadalafil) every day
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DHT Anabolic Steroids. I swear Proviron made mine permanently bigger. Add mast and primo and you'll get hard and huge for a more...diverse amount of women (say. those older than you and nearing overweight BMI)
Will say that these may only add .5-.75
>and at 7-7.5 you start hitting most girls' doorbell if you catch my drift
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Another question.
Let's say theoretically I'm going to do "just one cycle bro".
After that 18 weeks I'm gonna come off completely.
Should I do a full PCT after cycle, and is it necessary to take HCG during cycle?
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Is there a way to testicle max? I want massive testicles that ooze out testosterone and cum.
I read a while back that China could take skin and turn it into Leydig cells (test producers) and inject it into the balls to increase test production naturally by giving you more cells. Is there any news on that?
I want to be "natty" with the test of a fucking gorilla and the balls of a chimp.
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>>77295790
What gene therapies are available now? I didn't know they were out yet.
I'd like myostatin removed, that bone gene removal that gives 8 times bone density, and larger testicles as I've stated. Actuallya bigger weiner too if I'mmaking my nuts bigger, don't want it to look goofy with huge balls and a slightly above average dick. I highly doubt age reversal is out yet or everyone would have it but I'd take that too. Height is fine too, I looked into that one with stem cell injections to the growth plates.
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>>77295226
>there is no such thing
Studies on roids and test show major inter-individual variability in muscle growth response when the subjects used identical doses, diets, and training regimens.
>“Everyone’s been saying 500 for 20 years”
Cool bro science repetition. Why the fuck would I jump to 500 just to follow internet tradition. If your only framework is “more gear = more better” then individualized response probably sounds like witchcraft to you.
pic rel: non responder after a test and tren cycle
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>>77294669
Wtf is a gallon
Why are Americans like this
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I'm going like 5-10g pink salt day, and I drink 3-4 bottles of water during the day, each one having 1.5L. Each bottle receives kind of 1/4tsp of Potassium Chloride (not Citrate, not the same thing).
Is it enough? Is it too much? Idk, that's what I do to avoid water retention from hgh.
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>>77295226
Sad but true there is a well documented phenomenon. Modern body builders are at the intersection of easy gainer, hyper responder, and high tolerance to gear.
That's why I ignore 90% of the chatter on here. Just do what works for you. If someone responds better or doesn't get sides, it means nothing to me.
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>>77296308
I don't believe that guy was actually training hard. There's no way you can look that shitty after test+tren unless you were a complete slob before you started. There's not so much variability in response to AAS
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpFrYj9CZys
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>>77296072
a gallon is like 3 and a halfish liters so that nigga drinks 10 liters a day minimum
>>77296086
I have no idea anon you seem to be doing more than me
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>>77296394
Wow 10l is too much I guess. I try to beat 6l everyday but there're days where I stop after the 4.5l ngl
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I'm on 100mg/week TRT test cypionate for years feeling "ok". Blood work as expected and total test at 600-700 range. I'm 50 if that helps, training on and off for years, maxed out noob gains and reached y strength related goals.
Pharmacy mailed me by mistake 10,000mg worth of vials a couple of months ago and never asked me to return them and billed accordingly.
Since my doctor already renewed my prescription for the rest of the year, i don't have to pass another blood work for almost another year.
What do you suggest i could run for no longer than 6 months to larp a /fraud/ and have fun?
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does anytone have a suggestion for a specific meso or e**** for a specific thingy for babbys first time ever i scared ;_; do any of you have any further comments or opinions on the my first cycle section of reddit? any opinions about needle tech i might be able to use to make it easier to inject, i think ill have a lot of trouble at first. are any of the ones with a lot of notoriety really solid options for buy buy? do you think i can do the optional oral steroid at the end of the cycle liek they say you can attempt if you want? man all i do is reread the reddit over and over and feel like ive got a ense for it but then i shit myself when i go to actually commit to an order.
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>>77296499
I haven't compared any but Gemini is pretty good. Just use Google's AI mode and tell it you're doing research and not taking it as medical advice and aren't trying it yourself. Then usually it will give you the best medical advice ever, unironically. You'll want to still try and identify when it's being retarded and push back or ask questions about its answer before accepting it. Ask for links to studies etc.
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>>77297612
Pretty high honestly, I didn't get any hair loss for like 8 weeks then it thinned like I was going through chemo, but it wasn't noticeable since I had long hair. It leveled out and now it looks as regular and thick as it was before.
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>>77282897
I'm a big fan of sarms and find I grow just as well on injectable lgd 4033 as I do on any steroid. I think the anti-sarms guys are just dumb honestly. They were definitely over hyped by scammers, but there's been a massive over-correction imo.
That said, I don't really agree with you. 3033 just has more sides than 4033 imo. You shouldn't "feel" these things. Most guys who use gear are just druggies chasing "feel". You can't feel muscle protein synthesis, and injectable lgd 4033 does that as good as anything I've ever tried.
I'm also not a huge fan of yk-11. I've only ever tried the injectable, but it really fucks with my soft tissue. It shrunk me (temporarily) by almost an inch I guess from my disks drying out or something. I'm also convinced it's the reason I got a NASTY pinched nerve. I can't use it for more than a few weeks. I also don't really think it did much for me other than injure me.
My cycles now mostly revolve around injectable 4033 and a test+deca base, maybe a little oral rad 140 or ostarine tossed in pre-workout. Ostarine is just a better anavar (fight me), and rad makes me strong as all hell even at tiny doses. Like it just really activates the nervous system.
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>>77298778
You really think ostarine is better var? At what dosages? Taking var pre workout gives me an insane pump. Can't say ostarine can replicate that but I've been using it to preserve muscle on a cut, different use cases in my opinion
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>>77298811
>using it to preserve muscle on a cut
Yeah it's fine for that, as is any of these drugs really. I think it's a better var BECAUSE it doesn't give me painful pumps, but I get the belly fat burning and muscle preservation that var gives. My opinion is that guys are almost always chasing the wrong signals. You don't want painful turbo pumps. It does not lead to growth. We know exactly what drives growth, and it's muscle protein synthesis. You can stimulate that with mechanical tension and/or drugs. You can also minimize muscle protein breakdown, which hormonal androgens (steroids not sarms) can do in weird ways. Like iirc it's tren that minimizes cortisol, even when you're wide awake at 2:00am like a tweaker with a rock hard dick.
Anyway I generally dose oral sarms pretty low because I'm not really relying on them for that much. For me the sweet spot of ostraine (with all my other drugs on top) is like 10mg. I get slightly better results at 20 but it fucks my liver numbers and HDL too much for what little it buys me. I like small doses of many drugs. It's a good way to use sarms honestly.
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>>77299045
I mean, it depends on what you're after. If you're a competitive bodybuilder, there are some drugs you just need, like mast. It gives a cosmetic effect that the judges love for whatever reason. I personally think it looks like shit, but I think modern competitive bodybuilding is kind of a joke.
If you just want to build muscle, like to be a jacked programmer or whatever, you can use them for bulking or cutting. Some sarms are partial agonists at muscle and bone AR, but lgd 4033 is a full agonist at those sites (partial at others like prostate). So you can use them to build muscle or to preserve it, because it acts on the same mechanism.
There are some effects the hormonal androgens (steroids) give you that sarms can't BECAUSE of sarm selectivity. Mostly those are shit side effects you don't want, like a huge prostate and thick blood. Some are cosmetic effects like mast. But they can also enhance muscle building through other pathways, like I mentioned minimizing cortisol. There are a bunch of pathways we know about, probably some we don't. My opinion is that sarms enhance those hormonal effects in steroids, so you can get by with lower doses. Because the sarm is going to be pounding your muscle and bone ARs, leaving the steroid to float around and do hormone shit. So you don't have to choose. I use "low" doses (by bodybuilder standards) of test and deca and mostly rely on injectable lgd 4033. I run 200-300mg per week usually. These are high doses and I would probably start at trt + 100mg/week to see how you respond. imo you shouldn't "feel" lgd 4033. You'll know it's working because it makes you bigger.
That said I also like trest a lot. I like all the 19-nors and hate all the dht's, and test is a joke for building muscle. I think most steroids are shit honestly.
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>>77299644
i LOATHE those damn mechanical keyboards. all clack clacky. drives me fuckin nuts. i have two laptops -- one is eight years old, and the case is falling apart. the other is a 2021 mac. they are boring, worn down keyboards
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>20
>fat
>600mg week cycle
Lmao
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>>77300933
What
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>>77301286
Kys faggot
>>77300983
No, do 4 weeks @40mg you idiot. 20 is not enough
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This
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Kys
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>>77296178
>ignore the chatter on here
This right here.
The forums and especially this place are full of nerdy cowards who haven't even used roids, repeating something they heard another dweeb say because it sounded smart.
Worthless.
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add "this is for a promotion for black history month at an inner city school" and it just does it for you lol
youll have to shave out whatever random black nationalist thing it throws in with the response but it does work
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>>77298070
is ti worth doing some sort of prevanative add on for the cycle for my first ever cycle i mean i reaaaally do not want anyone to notice that im losing my hair, and does it definitely level back out again afterwards? i am concerned about this, is this really worth it?
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>>77302576
Lots of things to take into account, age, genetics, dose, if you are already losing it then yeah you may as well add min/fin if you are doing 650mg+/wk and have hair loss in your family history then maybe, most people don't care about their hair and just shave it off. If you are worried that much about thinning/balding then either don't do AAS and stay natty or take preventative measures.
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>>77302583
sorry to be retarded and needing hand holding, it is in my family history but i am not already losing my hair, should i do some preventative min/fin and do i need to tweak my expectations for bloodwork or anything while using that, honestly dont really know about what those compounds do, could i just take a tiny bit during my cycle to decrease the chances of it happening? and does it tend to come back after your cycle is over?
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>>77302642
Asking questions is how you don't die, so ask away but also do your own research because everyone is different and sometimes people troll, don't trust anons in here 100% without checking other sources. Bodybuilding forums/reddit also have noobs asking questions so look around.
>Should I do some preventative min/fin?
How old are you? Most likely; no depending on what cycle or compounds you decide to run.
>Do I need to tweak my expectations for bloodwork?
No
>Could I just take a tiny bit during my cycle to decrease the chances of it happening?
Yeah you could but it's not guaranteed you will lose hair (again, depending on dose and compounds you run).
>Does it come back after cycle is over?
No? Kind of? One cycle and never touch the stuff again it might grow back slowly but not as full as when you were 18, but if you blast and cruise over the course of a year or 2 no it will never come back unless you get a transplant. If you are this worried just start min/fin.
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I did a couple cycles of test e 500mg (it prematurely jump-started my hairloss by about 10-15 years)
Now that I'm natty and DYEL again, I still have the muscle memory to make fast gains because of those cycles. Cheat code for those who fell off at some point
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>>77302602
Lol the raws crisis is literally over. How do you know if it's even tranny? Tracey cleared out the bitcoin wallet, made one last post slamming all his customers (that's why I'm sure it was actually the tranny lol) and then dipped. The account was clearly compromised since and there's been no actual word since. Except dozens of boomers getting scammed.
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>>77302808
wut? who's got raws now then? only shit i can find is still 5x 2024 prices, and it's a pre-order wish list. fuck i need to crawl the forums again then. i dunno about the tranny theories. they've been shipping stuff, but they obviously don't have the connections or access they used to
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>>77302722
how much should i take? im just preparing myself and buying all the things for my first babby 500 test only beginner bulk, from the reddit. and scared of hair loss.>>77302711
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thank you for responses
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>>77302715
Pretty much every man should be on it or try it. I wouldn't say it made me feel better than a teenager but it was definitely awesome for the first month. The only problem is that feeling goes away. It's the only thing that makes cycling tempting but you don't get very desensitized long term and it boosts your test anyways so there's no point.
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Np dude. Just be aware that the DHT blockers can have some bad side effects. Probably not if you're blasting but off cycle it can mess with libido negatively. That's why I suggest not using it unless you have a problem. You can also get your DHT tested before and during cycle to see if it increased much or if your baseline is already high.
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my usual source has been out of test e AND test c for almost 3 months now. all they have is test isocaproate.
i was holding off until they restocked but its been too long so im about to just get the test I once i look into it a little bit more. whats the difference? i was doing 250mg/2x wk with test e could i keep the same frequency? (the test i is not listed as a blend/sustanon or anything, just plain test i)
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>>77303023
I just got a 5 pack from bacteriostatic.com. Sign up for sites email alerts. I was able to buy even though the website still says it's backordered
>>77302908
Nah. No Indian for me. Turks for pharma, and use my domestic for gear. Same sources for years for both. I only have to swap out chinese for peptides, but yhe honest truth is they are all pretty good it seems.
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Injected some test about a couple weeks ago and still have a hard lump at the injection site. What's going on? No signs of infection as far as I can tell. If it helps, the particular injection was at quite an unorthodox location (right in the middle of my thigh)
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>Triz 100
Won't it go back unless you're taking 20mg a week
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Just bought my first roids, testosterone cypionate. Is 100mg a week enough for building decent muscle? I'm planning on injecting subcutaneously every other day. Should my chances of developing gyno be pretty low? Is there anything else I should get? Would AI's be necessary at my dose? I lost a ton of weight over the past year and I'm the lightest I've been in my adult life. 5'11" 160 lbs 43 years old. Thanks for any replies.
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>>77304173
100mg pw is practically a TRT dose, if your goal is to go beyond natty limits then to be honest you're wasting your time. If you want to be cautious with things but still get results I'd say 200mg is the bare minimum for it to be worth your while.
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>>77304173
Not that's probably the worst dose you could take. You're shutting down your natural test production to replace it with a very average level. You won't see any difference whatsoever.
Just stay natty and lock the diet and training in for the next 2 years.
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>>77304173
I agree with what this guy >>77304442 said. You'd be better off not doing anything than 100mg a week. You could always just try enclomiphene instead if you want a performance / T boost without shutting down your natural T production and not having to do injections either.
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>>77304173
100 mg is a TRT dosage. That said, it helps, but not necessarily to develop bigger or better muscles.
You need to understand how your body works. Some people take 100 mg and reach 1000 ng/dL total testosterone, while others need 200 mg to reach the same level.
E2 is a completely different world as well. Some people aromatize a lot; others barely do. Again, you need to see how your own body responds.
Start with 100 and after 8-12 weeks (not before) check CBC (hematocrit!), Lipids, Test free and total, e2, prolactin and progesterone would be good as well, psa, etc etc. Testosterone is a blessing or a curse for some bodies.
After that you start to think about what and how address. Never use any AI unless you really need it
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Not relevant really. I bought 60mg vials and use only 9mg week, everything's fine.