/gq/ Infographic Emporium:
https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6
Legacy Infographic Reserve: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF

>Last time on /gq/, Protech 2230s sold out yet again. Hesco got another NIJ suspension. A2 made an effortpost, and hypervelocity super ARPs are coming soon.

>QUICK ARMOR GUIDE 2.166
CODE: * = active NIJ-cert, ^ = NEEDS SOFT ARMOR, DND = do not drop, ** = military.
>Special Rifle Threat (M855A1, no M80 <44mm BFD):
Budget: Hesco T212 or L211
Mid-Range: Hesco M210
High-End: Hesco U210 / U211, LSAPI**, or Tencate CR-6450SA.
>CONUS Minimum (M80, M855, M193):
Budget: Expired Hesco 3611C, surp SAPI**^, or Gilliam 6001
Mid-Range: Hesco 3612* or 3810*
High-End: Hesco 3811* or 3811LV^DND
Elite: Used Cercom CER-EMH**^
>CONUS Medium (M80 + M855A1 or BZ API):
Budget: Used Protech 2120-5
Mid-Range: Hesco 3411* or LTC 19513
High-End: LTC 28780**
Elite: VelSys PBZSA** or LTC 28791** or Hesco SC3812
Elite-Plus: Used Ceradyne MH3 CQB**^DND (10x M995)
>CONUS Optimal (M855A1 + M80A1):
Budget: Highcom 3S9 (SAPI-cut)
Mid-Range: Used LTC 28550** / 28590** or Highcom 3S9M* (SAPI-cut!)
High-End: Used LTC 28595**
Elite: Used LTC 28570** or VelSys TSA**
Elite-Plus: Tyr XHA4/S6/T(DND) or GEN 6 LTC TSA**
>Level IV / CONUS High (.30-06 M2AP):
/pfg/: Used Protech 2014G or Gilliam 1023
Budget: Hesco 4403* (bare minimum)
Mid-Range: Hesco 4601* (+ Level III) or surp ESAPI**^ (REV. G-J preferable, adds M995 / 3x M2AP vs 1x)
High-End: Hesco 4800(DND), 4800LV^DND, or Protech 9812-R1(DND)
Elite: Tencate CXP-800 SA or Ceradyne SOF ESAPI MK.II**^DND or Adept Emperor
Elite-Plus: Ceradyne SAEC**DND(??)
>Level IV+ / CONUS Extreme (Various)
Budget: Protech 2230 (fast M2AP, $300/set used)
Budget-Tungsten: Gilliam 8002 (.300 Winmag Swiss P AP)
Mid-Range: Adept Colossus (7.62x51 Swiss P) or REV. C XSAPI**^ (M993)
High-End: Rev. D XSAPI**^ (M993+)
Elite: ECSAPI** (M993)
Elite-Plus: Ceradyne 96034** (7.62x51 Swiss P)

Is a surplus BAE ACH for $250 worthwhile?

>body armor faggot made ANOTHER thread again

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>>65202128
First for img.

>>65202280
>Hesco armor plates whenever they see black tips.

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>>65202106
>Why the fuck do things like this never pop up for me, it’s even in XL, when will I be so lucky
Continue to wait on Botach Surplus, Hudsongunner, and other sites. You're gonna have to check daily if you want the best deals.
>I literally cannot find the perfect helmet
There is no free lunch with helmets just like there's no free lunch with plates. If you want something, you're going to have to sacrifice something else.
>>65201538
>Sounds like its out of his hands and completely up to the manufacturer
That's true. Basically the vendors are stuck with whatever the manufacturers can give them purely because of how the market works and because civilian sales are last-in-line. Military and law enforcement get priority.
>so I just requested to exchange my SAPI L for an M.
My concern with this is that the SAPI L you have checks out weight wise, which means they're all probably like this and the SAPI M is also undersized. Maybe, maybe not, depends on the "variance" lottery.
>>65201552
>but it appears that's going to be really damn tough with plates that are 1.2 inches thick
That's not even remotely concealable if you follow SOCOM guidelines. Rough rules of thumb from their plates:
>Overt: 0.8" and above
>Less-than-overt: 0.5-0.65"
>Covert: 0.45" and below
>That's what I get for being a noob at all of this, but I'm sure I'll be happy with the plates anyway.
You'll want more than one pair of plates. Build up an overt high-threat getup for the 2230s (maybe look at some stuff from Beez) with sides, IIIA BALCS soft, the whole shebang, and then the JPC 2.0 gets some thinner, lighter plates. Change carriers based on the situation.
>Are there any other considerations I should be looking at given my circumstances?
For your "street" plates I'd look at the Protech 2120-5s from Hudson. They're 6x M80 / 6x M855A1 and about 5.8lb / 0.95". They cover all the basics. If you really want to run concealable, look at the Hesco T212 at 0.54" and 4.7lb. M855A1 only. No .308.

>>65202285
>obsessed
Acceptable.

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>>65202280

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Relatively new stuff from "Ultra Defense Corp" - kinetically lubricated armor piercing .308 and a .338 with good performance claims, tungsten core.
The .338 outperforms .50 BMG M8 API versus 1" AR400 and defeats 1/2" AR500 from at least 700 meters out, which gives it good odds against a lot of ceramic Level IVs, especially if they're B4C or Alumina-glass construction.
Notably they've got no claims for the .308, which tells me it isn't that revolutionary and probably isn't a lot better than current m1158 ADVAP or stuff like Nammo AP11LR. Just goes to show you can't stop everything, even if you've got 2230s or 8002s or Colossi.
I'm under the impression .338NM KLAP is below XM1224.

>>65202383
Any reason to go with the JPC instead of the SPC other than cost?

>>65202521
Consensus is the SPC is the better overall carrier, especially if you're rolling heavier equipment. With a pair of 2230s for example you're at fifteen pounds. Add 6x6 sides and you're at just over nineteen. 6x8s put you over 20lb and that's with just armor.
Because most of the armor industry just slaps one of three commercial ceramics together with one of three backer materials in varying thicknesses and there's no real innovation, armor weight will trend up in the next few years as hypervelocity (HICAR, PEAK, SIG HYP, etc) ammo is commercialized. Something to consider.

>>65202490
>kinetically lubricated
They do just lube the tip, r.right?

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>>65202830
They're going in deep and they're going in hard. Aluminum tips. Only way to pierce the guards' Taobao NIJ-V+++ at Epstein Island 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7P2BE0TWeU
>they gonna give you the klap

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>>65202521
SPC a more minimal carrier and exposes a lot more grab points and snagpoints. The JPC is a better carrier if you see yourself banging out a lot of low crawls and shit like that. The SPC laminate frays sometimes and at that point its basically cooked, and while yeah the hypalon fraying will do the same thing to the JPC straps the majority of the JPC isnt made out of hypalon.
The JPC hypalon straps also have more "give" than the laminate used on the SPC. This means the JPC feels a little bit less constrictive if youre sprinting or doing other really intense movements. But the hypalon eventually will wear out and the JPC will sag, but thats an eventuality issue.

The SPC is a fine carrier but a lot of people end up trying to press it into other roles and its not truly THE carrier of all carriers.
All of this is why the R series exists

>>65202383
2230 Noobanon here. If going overt then I've been eying the 6094. Seems to be a solid general purpose option. Tacswap has this fella here. Changing out a cummerbund isn't a big deal, right?
https://tacswap.com/post/6a00201e64161de998598c59

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>>65202895
6094 sucks
6094 was a good time when people were being issued like interceptor vests and other huge armor carriers. 6094 in current year is ??????

Go buy a JPC in the correct size instead.

>>65202908
>6094 in current year is ??????
8120. Come on, man! Are you on the dope? I can do that in my head.

>>65202895
6094 is fine but a little long in the tooth. The big choice is whether you want a pure platecarrier or a BALCS / CIRAS getup with soft armor underneath so you have both strong IV+ on the vitals and IIIA covering a lot more area.
Look at stuff from Beez if you want BALCS stuff. The 2230s are standalone and do not need soft armor, but running IIIA under them will only enhance performance at the expense of weight and even greater thickness / bulk.

>>65202936
I'm already getting worried about how thick this all is, so I'm considering just going for soft armor panels for the additional coverage rather than having additional protection behind the 2230 as well. As robust as that plate is, I think it can go without the additional backing for the sake of trimming bulk.

>>65202978
*soft armor side panels

>>65202978
Good news is that decent 6x8 soft armor is cheap as hell man. $50 a pair.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/389102963674?
I wouldn't be too worried about the 2230 running out of headroom unless you wind up conditioning the hell out of them through rough handling, dives, etc, or it's a REALLY bad day and actually modern tungsten AP is coming out - in which case you're fucked because the strongest commercially available, tested plates are only rated up to 7.62x51mm or .300wm Swiss P AP, both of which originate from the 1990s.
But the good news is the 2230s handle all common and relatively uncommon CONUS threats fine and unlike the 4403 aren't at risk from future hypervelocity ammo, since they are rated for M2AP at 600ft/s+ over NIJ requirements. It's a neat coincidence given that they're generally about 10 years old.

>>65202978
Also, if you want to shore up drop protection, run cut up yoga mat or a trauma pad IN FRONT of the plate. The latter is hilariously official RMA policy for their new, strict no-drop 1165. The 2230s do have a frontal foam layer, but NIJ is not a hard drop test.

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This is the new FBI, USMS, and DEA carrier.
Say something nice about it.
Pls no bully over bulk, airmesh, funny dangling plastic knobs.

>>65203115
>Say something nice about it.
My tax dollars at work!

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>>65203115
I can see it now. It's gonna be filled with... Hesco SC3812B aka FXR-Bravo aka a pair of plates over $4k that don't stop BZ API.

>>65203115
>>65203132
You can buy it for... $2,600.
https://predictiveballistics.com/c2r-usa-vault-armor-carrier-system/

>>65203177
>>65203115
My take:
Midnight navy blue is a cool color
It looks like they're actually using real tubes, and not fucking ROC buckles
Looks incredibly bulky and heavy though
How did they get to $2600 for this? Maybe that includes the soft armor? It has got to.

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>>65203241
>How did they get to $2600 for this? Maybe that includes the soft armor? It has got to.

I'm sorry...

>>65203264
$2600 + DLC and microtransactions

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>>65203277
the carrier is more than a pair of velsys PBZSAs...

>>65203283
D-did they say SPARTAN Cut?
I'm so sold. MOLON LABE

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>>65203301
CUE THE MUSIC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQs1cASjUD0

>>65203074
If those soft panels are easy enough to mount on a JPC then that'll likely be the carrier I go with. I've also been eyeing the Mayflower APC as its price is comparable, but I am liking how much more "breathable" the JPC looks.

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>>65203301
You need CREDENTIALS to purchase this face mask! We're just level 1 crook civilians. You need to be level 35 police sergeant to unlock. If you get promoted to level 50 lieutenant then you unlock the tactical ladder from Protech.

>>65203074
Are those panels legit. I've been wanting to add soft side armor on my larp/tornado carrier without having to invest in a new cummerbund. Those inserts look like they would work well with a knockoff crye side soft armor panel.

>>65203515
They're from an old surplus lot. Dude has sold over 50 sets. SHOULD be fine. I have a pair I made into ghetto duct tape forearm guards.

>>65203241
>How did they get to $2600 for this?
The Berry Amendment (10 U.S.C. \(\S 4862\))

>>65203283
Some Holy Bat Shit right here, Robin!

>>65203313
>CREDENTIALS
I swear to God I will duck ape a crayon to my gog and jerk a credential right off!

Would running some 3a soft armor under a Hesco 4403 or a Highcom 4s17M help mitigate some of their issues? Or is it unnecessary weight?

>>65203778
Yep.
>>65203782
Stops real fuckin NATO to the face man, one time, but only at ambient so god help you if it's hot out or it got wet. Also no 7.62x39 MSC rating. It's like those 30 year old Italian plates.
>>65203787
Yeah it's the way of the armor industry. LE has access to better shit. Example, they had the Protech 2230 in 2014. They had the Protech 2240 in 2024 but nobody knows how much better that one is. Ot did however replace the 2230. It's some kind of nebulous super plate like the Ceradyne 2572575.
>>65203800
IIIA soft acts as extra backer. It would partially address the low M2AP v50 on the 4403 and shore up the same for the 4S17M. However, it's not weight efficient and you'd be better served by switching to plates with an aramid or PE backer over antiquated fiberglass like those two.
In other words, the definitive budget contingency Level IV is probably now police surplus 2230 with its aramid backer and full Level III + IV performance. the 4403 explicitly will fail the Level III test which is an issue for a nearly 8lb plate.
Fiberglass sucks. It's 1960s armor tech.

>>65203860
>LE has access to better shit
I'm just gonna do some ride-alongs, become a volunteer deptuty and steal some letterhead from the Sheriff's admin. I may fuck her, too. We'll just see if that gets me shot in the face?

>>65203870
Apex? Is that you?
Anyways, the 2240s should be running out on the warranty in the next few years. We're in for interesting options by 2028. Protech 2240s copsurp, GEN-IV ESAPI, GEN-IV XSAPI, the Adept Emperor, GEN-II LSAPI, GEN-6 and 6B TSA Swimmers and TSA/LTOs, and the Hesco RF3-400 which is literally just the 4403.

>>65203115
What the fuck? I used to play airsoft with some guys who did UKSF impressions, and that's the only reason I know C2R exists, and even then, I dont think theyre a big name even within the UK. How the fuck did they get a major fed contract?

>>65203924
How the fuck did SIG simultaneously win like six major weapons contracts despite sucking dick at all of them?

>DEAL ALERT
Botach Surplus has 48 Ceradyne BA3A helmets in stock for $75 a pop.
https://surplus.botach.com/3m-ceradyne-ba3a-ballistic-helmet-pasgt-cut-nij-level-iiia-police-trade/

>>65203115
I wonder what issue they had with their Tyr carriers, they have only had those for a few years.

>>65203927
Epstein?

>>65203936
Are there any good helmet covers for those things?

>>65203936
Interesting. Any word on what size these are? Or can the harness be adjusted to a "one size fits all" sort of thing?

>>65203074
I know that plates really don't degrade, but is that also true of soft armor? I don't know what would fail, but I figure kevlar shouldn't be treated the same way as ceramic.

>>65203999
>>65204058
One size fits most, full cut PASGT style.

>>65204065
>I know that plates really don't degrade
This is a "truth is somewhere in the middle" type situation, same as ceramics being drop resistant. Some plates do suffer from adhesive failure between ceramic, crack arrestor, and backer layers, along with backer degradation. For example, just about all Ceradyne 92547s suffer from a major delam issue. Same for the Ceradyne 96448s and those old TAP Gammas. That's why you tap test plates. Backer failure is when PE, aramid, etc is stored improperly - lots of heat over time or excessive moisture. Some blends are more suspectible than others. Stick with 0101.06 and .07 plates and backer degradation is way less of an issue. About twenty five years ago there were Zylon backed plates which put up some crazy performance numbers, but had degradation literally measurable in weeks.
>but is that also true of soft armor?
Same rules as above for backer degradation. This is where the armor being on the CPL really does count, because NIJ does evaluate armor under conditioning requirements for .06 and .07, but did not for 0101.04 and before so shitty Zylon armor got certified.

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> https://soldiersystems.net/2026/06/03/10th-mountain-divisions-c%e2%80%91uas-academy-drives-the-armys-next-era-of-drone-defense/
> FORT DRUM, N.Y. — As unmanned aircraft systems reshape modern warfare, the 10th Mountain Division is positioning itself at the forefront of the Army’s effort to train Soldiers to fight, survive and adapt on a drone?saturated battlefield.
> "Dronebuster"
OMG they're literally stuck in 2021.

>>65202490
>3/4 MOA at 1000 meters
Doubt.

>>65202490
>lubricated AP
This reminds me of the teflon bullets thing from like 30 years ago.

>>65204653
I'm thinking extra zero typo.
>>65204662
The KTWs. The teflon didn't do much to enhance penetration. The rounds were sintered tungsten and designed to pierce metal and auto glass. They lacked the penetrator geometry or a proper tungsten carbide for example, core to be true AP, and thus could be stopped by enhanced "IIIB" vests like those sold by Pinnacle decades ago.
These KLAPs are an entirely different animal. Even if the aluminum tip is bullshit they have the numbers to penetrate Level IV at range.

Alright, who the fuck bought the Armour of America IIIA leg guards from the 1990s and is going to be putting on a Jin-Roh cosplay? I missed out AGAIN.
https://surplus.botach.com/armour-of-america-leguard-level-iiia-ballistic-leg-armor-pair-swat-thigh-knee-shin-police-trade/?

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Also SIG's got a new 97gr 5.56 hybrid case tungsten AP rated to defeat Level IV, so that's great. SOCOM is apparently looking at it. 3,200ft/s from a 16", pissing hot.
https://plusultratr.com/wp-content/uploads/catalogos/2026%20DIGITAL_SPREAD_version.pdf
https://secure.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/8456/5

An AP round like that easily has the numbers to defeat even newer ESAPIs rated for M995 at 3,400ft/s, or the vast majority of Russian and Chinese plates. It may have a shot against XSAPI type plates up close and out of a 20" barrel.

>>65205205
Seems foolish to entertain the idea of beefing up existing cases to overpressure them rather than just designing a new cartridge

>>65205205
>SIG ammo
>Anywhere close to published velocities
This shit will be 2100fps max

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>>65205236
It's logistically easier. For SOCOM's HICAR project where they're rolling M855A1+ at about 82-84k psi or above, all they have to do is swap out upper receivers. This is still backwards-compatible with existing 5.56 stuff. Higher velocity, better terminal ballistics, shorter barrels (although it's a wash there because you'll really want a suppressor), it's almost a free lunch - just needs money.
This is versus the M7's 6.8mm that needs a new gun, new magazines, halves the combat load, and struggles to distinguish itself from 7.62x51mm where the very same high-pressure case technology can be and is being applied. Ceramics get their ass beat by long-core, heavier tungsten penetrators. 7.62x51mm hybrid case can throw a larger core than 6.8x51mm. If the core's too big for the ceramic strike face to handle and what's left still has enough energy to make it through the backer, it's basically GG.
As said before, armor weight is going to trend up in the next few years. This high pressure case stuff isn't going away and it's only getting more traction. Steel plates are more fucked than they've ever been. PE plates will be losing to "Super ARPs" in the next few years, rolling M855+ out of chode barrels with the penis brakes. SRTs are gonna be real dicey with the same, given their lack of backer.

The sword is always a step ahead of the shield.

>>65205205
It literally says jacketed steel core, though.

>>65205245
Really depends on whether they're able to maintain the higher pressure. SOCOM's experimented with juiced up 5.56 as hot as 100k psi and these numbers from SIG aren't too out of whack with Federal's PEAK and the HICAR stuff.

>>65205263
>jacked steel core projectile
>hydracore projectile
>armor piercing rated for Level IV
The page lists several different ammo types, as it does for other calibers. For 6.5 there's both a closed tip and a berger, for 7.62 there's an MP, FMJ, OTM, and tracer.
The JACKED steel core projectile is supposed to be an iterative patented improvement versus M855A1. A 97gr steel core 5.56 would also probably be too long to fit in a standard magazine and wouldn't be able to pop Level IV worth a shit given they're minimum rated for 165gr steel cores at 2,910ft/s.

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And yeah, "Hydracore" is some kind of improved tungsten penetrator.
>It looks like a segmented long rod, very different from other small-arms WC core.
Per the nerds at Delphi forums. It's been conclusively proven by rounds like 7N37, SmKH, AP11LR, etc that long core, high sectional density penetrators are superior to lighter tungsten AP even with a moderate velocity disadvantage. SmKH is 2-0 against the Adept Colossus, the strongest commercially available plate in CONUS bar none, and 7N37 is 1-0 against the same plate, on top of a reputation in Ukraine of being the ESAPI fucker 9000 since 2014. Meanwhile even 7.62x51 M948 SLAP only defeats the Colossus on a 50% chance basis.
The same principle will translate down to 5.56. This 97gr SIG zaza is not going to be comparable to 7N37, not even close, but it's got the specs to hand many Level IV plates their ass especially if they're Alumina-Glass or use boron carbide strike faces. 7N37 is an XSAPI killer. This is an ESAPI killer.

The .300 Winmag Swiss P AP-tested Gilliam 8002 IV++ at $314/plate, 8.3lb, is looking very attractive right now as a "break glass" emergency plate given how fast all this stuff is moving. Needs an upmarket SiC-TiB2 version to cut that weight down a little.

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>>65203264
And odds are also good since the VS-PBZSA is boron carbide and only rated for M855A1 / BZ API, this SIG 97gr AP can probably pierce it from several hundred yards.
Good news is that this shit's gonna be a no-show CONUS (absent some WROL / SHTF doomer situation) because the military has gotten a lot better at putting guardrails on the trucks. Anyone notice how M1158 has been around for a minute and basically has no presence in civilian hands?
It is however possible that, like Swiss P AP, it will become available to law enforcement and the cops will be more careless with the ammo than the military. I'm interested in the real fuckin NATO version. We could be looking at a 230gr 7.62x51mm that utterly spanks 7N37 and will force the commercial release of pic related 9.25lb, 1.488" thick plate.

i bought some g code scorpion soft shell clones. i went for the r1 clips and find some way to mount it on either my shooter belt molle or a separate panel, but it seems like the belt is a total non-starter and it doesn't feel terribly good on the PALS either. i wish i could just mount these with regular malice clips but it doesn't seem possible

its a shame because the pouches themselves seem really nice, if though more xbox hueg than i expected

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>>65205382
Zip ties? If it's ghetto but works it isn't ghetto. It's crunk.

>>65203936
>PASGT
Who still runs that crap?

>>65205415
It's shaped like a PASGT, but is otherwise "IIIA" pursuant to the large LE contracts the helmet was made for. That's in quotes because under NIJ 0106.01, no official ratings exist for helmets above Level II - because that standard hasn't been updated since the 1980s before IIIA was even a thing.
Full cut helmets have a coverage advantage over high cuts but can be annoying to integrate over-ear earpro with. I can fit ears under mine fine, just have to take the center pads out.
It's not a bad helmet. There are boltless rail kits on fleabay for $60 that are a perfect fit.

>>65205415
If it's really a problem then you can use cutting services to un-PASGT the helmet.
https://kustomach.com/shop/ols/products/pasgtlwh-high-cut-mod

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Lol who bought the single Protech 2230 from Botach. I didn't even see these were in stock, people must have caught wind these plates are beasts.
They also have more Protech shields in stock.

>>65205390
i suspect i could find some long malice clips and rig them onto molle with them, but i wouldn't be able to weave it like pic related so it'd probably suck

i'll probably just stick to my HGSI polymer tacos, i just wish the retention on them was a bit stronger for my horizontal mounting shenanigans

>>65205443
This works. Just keep in mind you want someone good to do it. If it's just some fucker in his garage with a saw and sealer then there's a risk of damaging the helmet's ballistic integrity. Aramids for example don't like being exposed to moisture.
IMO, if you want a high cut buy a high cut. If you want a full cut buy a full cut. These helmets are cheap enough to be family and friend loaners though, so that might be an exception.

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>>65205456
forgor pic

i have a theory that US made gear is like only like 20% better than chinese stuff despite being like 6 times the price, and the reason for that is that an american making rifle pouches is going to want expect that work to finance their ford f150 and a house, while the chinese child making rifle pouches only works for their daily rice allocation

>>65205577
>Chinese stuff cheap because slavery.
Yeah, you're probably right.

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>>65205577
>american gear is better
3/4 of the plates in pic related are American and the only Chinese plate is a piece of bullshit anyone who knows how to work areal densities would be able to sniff out immediately.
You can buy crap from either country. You can also buy gems from either country.

>>65205577
China also has state subsidized industries that they want to develop. If you buy a 3D printer, drone stuff or military gear marketed towards hobbyists and not Bubba looking for cheap shit you can get some nice things. Id never eat food from China though.

>>65205583
to be fair i think it applies to europe too, like europeans have more humble spending habits so labor is cheaper. but i mean it's just because america has too much spending power in general so any kind of specialized labor costs too much

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>>65205611
This is true. The Chinese put a lot of time and effort into reducing the cost of thermals, polyethylene armor, computer shit, drones, nylon, so on and so forth.
You can literally buy 2.5lb all-PE rifle plates good for non-steel-core rifle rounds for $199 a pop. The equivalent from Hesco is three times that.
You can also buy 640x512 60hz thermals with built in LRFs, interchangeable lenses, and more for less than $1,600. If you want the same but made in CONUS you're looking at double that.

>>65205610
>>65205611
yea my point was kinda that china isn't just "very cheap crap: the country" anymore, instead it has evolved into "very cheap crap AND kinda cheap quality stuff" over the past 10-15 years or so. i have been noooticing that i buy a lot of stuff from china for my other hobbies and its genuinely some of the best stuff you can find

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>>65205577
Depends entirely on the product in question
The chinese stuff that is on par with US stuff is made of the same materials and those are pretty much a fixed input cost , just slightly cheapened due to having larger oem markets. Very rarely in china does the company selling the item actually make it. They subcontract it out to massive houses that have shitloads of machines, established labor, etc. In the US that same pouch is made by the tiny scale factory that was setup by the company that designed it. So the effective labor cost is elevated as the US is buying 10 sew shops for 10 diff mfgs, china uses the same sew shop for 10 diff mfgs.

DUDE LABOR CHEAP hasnt been a thing in china in a hot minute.

>>65205629
Agreed. I like separating it into a grade system. Works very well for armor but can also be applied to other fields. Adept / Gilliam are S, Militech A and LiTai a tentative A, JWD and Longfri (generally) B, other Battle Steel plates C, D would be American Blast Ass and Linry, and the really shitty plates with rice paper crack arrestors from GTEagle would maybe be E. E-grade plates just flat out don't work. Those red steel plates from Russia you can literally bend with your hands would be a perfect example.
>S-Grade: Superior to western counterparts. Adept Colossus, Gilliam 9969, Archon, Gilliam 8002 have no western counterparts so they're here by default.
>A-Grade: Competes evenly with western counterparts. Solid shit. Militech.
>B-Grade: Cheapy stuff that come with a catch, but is workable.
>C-Grade: Problem stuff that is built cheap, has major catches, and is only workable if you're in a bind and have no other options.
>D-Grade: China's old reputation. Stuff that'll get your ass killed.
>E-Grade: The stuff so shit China won't even sell it without being asked, and if they're asked it'll be done on a fly by night basis.

Where China still sucks ass is digital night vision. They're making improvements as seen with the SVG5 and NVG-90, but they still have a long, long, LONG fucking way to go before it's comparable to analog. There's a reason why most the comparison videos have sneaky ambient lighting.

>>65205415
Around my neck of the woods, they used to be $40. Not bad to keep one or two around.
>>65205650
Adept ships from Europe and Gilliam from the US. At worst they're "semi China" in that they might use Chinese materials that large contractors are scared to use, and they seem to integrate them elsewhere and sometimes in weird ways. Anyways, agreed on Militech, solid as hell.

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Interesting new armor company from Yau Tong, Hong Kong. Gear Industries. They've got a suspiciously light Level IV plate (I'm calling cheat ring) at 4.18lb for SAPI M and $520 a plate, but some decent soft plate backers claiming certification to VPAM PM-5 - which is 3x solid brass .357 magnum at 1,902ft/s, sub-25mm BFD. That's actually pretty good. 1.36lb for a SAPI M-cut backer, $200 a pop.
https://gearind.com/products/sp-4-ballistic-soft-plate-nij-0101-06-level-iiia
Might give that Omniprotex some competition, but the jury is out. They also have ballistic shields, including a whacky ass huge one claiming certification to VPAM PM-14 (14.5x114mm B-32 API) but I ran the areal density and it's really just NIJ IV. You can buy it without credentials, but I imagine cross-pacific shipping on a 200lb, seven foot wide shield is a bitch.

Soft armor:
https://gearind.com/products/sp-4-ballistic-soft-plate-nij-0101-06-level-iiia

>>65205881
Seems like total bullshit, VPAM-14 lol
Even the VPAM-5 thing seems fishy, and ofc the Level IV plate is cheat ringed

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>>65205870
>Adept ships from Europe and Gilliam from the US
Correct, but Gilliam is very upfront with the fact he uses imported materials from CHINA. Plates like the 8002 and 1023 are almost completely Chinese. The only made-in-America component is the "Armorfilm" adhesive.
Adept is a little trickier but there's compelling evidence that their SiC-TiB2 wonder ceramic is sourced from Shandong Yasai in China, and Jake Ganor himself is from Hong Kong as shown by patent documents.
>At worst they're "semi China" in that they might use Chinese materials that large contractors are scared to use
And this isn't actually a problem. My issues with Adept nowadays are a lack of NIJ certifications that they very easily could have gotten and the fact most of their plates are nominally sized - which is a problem other manufacturers do have. Also they tend to overhype their shit. Even the new Emperor plate, for example, is basically just the Hesco 4800 but with a better B4C-TiN ceramic so it loses 0.4lb. It'll still get its ass beat by tungsten 5.56 and for ~$3,500/set that's kinda annoying. The Mantis is bad (what kind of titanium-PE plate gets 40mm BFD against M855? Christ that's horrible), Archon good but has issues distinguishing itself from its own monkey model the Gilliam 9969 (they share a strike face, lol), and their RF1 PE plate on paper gets mogged by the Hesco 3801 on the high side and Gilliam Helion on the low side. Colossus good but nominal sizing issues and it runs somewhat hot on BFD.
Gilliam is looking to be a solid Hesco / Highcom replacement if he just gets some 0101.07 certs in. The Highcom 4S17M and Hesco 4403 can frankly fuck off versus the cheaper, superior in every way, mostly Chinese Gilliam 1635.

The secret is that Chinese UHMWPE is cheaper than and superior to American fiberglass, so the budget Chinese plates utterly sack their American counterparts by virtue of superior backers. The problem is consistency. NIJ certs are needed. That goes for Militech too.

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>>65205889
It's bullshit off the thickness alone. It's an inch thick. A good .50 BMG plate is about 1.5", and 14.5mm has a lot more energy that that. I'd say 1.8-2" should be sufficient, just to play it safe.
>Even the VPAM-5 thing seems fishy
Like every upstart armor company, they're claiming they have a special new material in their quarter. This time it's called "GearXFiber" - a new form of UHMWPE (where have I heard that before...) that is more efficient.
My problem with this is that China doesn't give two shits about intellectual property. If Gear Industries has this tech, then why aren't Militech, Jinwudun, Longfri, etc also applying it?

Pic unrelated, revised shield infographic - first draft.

>>65205279
There are patents on SIG's multi-piece projectile stuff:
> https://patents.google.com/patent/US20240102779A1
> https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2025165349A1/en
> https://patents.justia.com/patent/20260133018
They don't say that it's tungsten, though. Hydracore could just refer to that weird design. I will investigate.

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Anybody else getting duplex round vibes from Hydracore?

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>>65205920
The train of thought in the other thread says it's a steel "decoy" core up front to balance the projectile out and damage the strike face before the actual tungsten core in the back gets to it.
The Russians have a plate called the FORT ACP-M that runs a double strike-face getup which might address it pretty well actually. About nine pounds for a 10x13, SiC strike face up front, Chromium Carbide backup strike face, PE backer. It's from about 2020 and rated for 2x 7N37 - and because of the timing that would actually be the better 7N37M. Rare as fuck though and no known samples are in civ possession. The FSB probably had like ten plates, lol. Judging by the areal density it's standalone but probably needs a CAP to go under 17mm BFD.
>>65205917
What other material could it be? A 97gr steel penetrator would be too long. It's lead free. No other material could challenge a typical Level IV plate other than tungsten or DU, and they're not using DU even though that would be based as hell.

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>>65205889
Also they have a 2.64lb VPAM PM-6 helmet rated for 7.62x39mm MSC. I don't see an applique, so they must mean the entire helmet. It's $781.
Either the best helmet of all time or absolute bullshit. Definitely thinking these guys are the rich man's JWD. Entire company is Super Asia.

>>65205955
Honestly, 2.64 pounds for an all-in Level IIIA high-cut would be pretty damn good. The brand new FAST SF, $2000 and a long wait, is 2.2 pounds finished. It's also only rated for 9mm FMJ at 1195 fps.
So yeah there's NO WAY that helmet is legit. It's probably not even IIIA.

>>65205934
The patents say/imply that the front penetrator is steel and the rear is either lead or tungsten. If it's lead-free then steel+tungsten has gotta be it.

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>>65205965
Well they say it EXCEEDS IIIA standards. Funny thing is, for helmets, there is no IIIA standard. Pic related are their certs. There's a lot of "bumming" from other stuff and these are some funny fucking certs. The helmet is actually Level II.

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>>65205968
Sounds like there's two possible projectiles then, an EPR type with a front steel and rear lead, and then the actual AP (the 97gr) is steel+tungsten.
Either way, good to see 5.56 isn't actually out of headroom. That's one /bag/ myth I'm glad to see debunked. SOCOM has experimented with 5.56 as hot as 100k psi, so if uppers get stronger and new barrel metals get into play we would be looking at 5.56 that can potentially bust up XSAPIs at close range. Very nice.

>For in the grim dark future of 2040, there are only Hyper ARPs firing M855++ at 100k PSI out of an 8.5" chode barrel. Muzzle flashes the size of a school bus. The report can be heard for fucking miles... it sounds like a 3,000 watt 15" SVS subwoofer in your face from the other side of the city. Opps penetrating Iranian ground invasion overrun Highcom 4SAS4s manufactured last week with those ARPs on entirely different streets. Cops have to suck dick to buy thirty year old Protech 2230s because Protech discontinued the 2240 for no reason decades ago. 0101.07 is still in the draft phase. The CPL isn't fully established yet. Hesco released the RF3-402 and it got suspended five days later. Highcom filed Chapter 13. Things aren't going great... an M995++ just flew over my house.

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how retarded am I for getting a tracer tactical front bag and saying fuck a real pc

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>>65206024
>tracer tactical front bag
>only running a plate in the front.
>The Ranger Body Armor from 1993 is gone man, I'll be outside. Good luck.
Only running a plate in the front is very, very antiquated practice and genuinely got people killed. If your weight budget is extremely tight and/or you need absolute concealment, then there's a case to be made, sure, but there's drawbacks.

>>65206024
>>65206030
It's not even comfortable. It's much LESS comfortable than wearing two plates. The weight imbalance fucking sucks, makes your back hurt after a while.

>>65206035
There are ways to work around that. If he's rolling a Hesco 3801LV, ULWSAPI, or something else light as hell, then there isn't much of an imbalance given it's less than 2lb.
If he's running a Protech 2230, Gilliam 8002, EDUN IV+++ 12.7mm, or another heavyweight, then shit's gonna be all fucked up. If the plate bag is on a chest rig then I guess move stuff to the rear to balance. Hydration bladder?

>>65206030
>>65206035
thx boss
guess its ye old cop armor underneath time
also the weight up front isn't much of an issue for me because I would only ever have my kit on with a backpack anyway probably

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And here's that EDUN plate rated for 12.7x108mm B-32 API, one shot, courtesy of the Taobao Master anon from last bread. You can buy it on Taobao, the final frontier of chinesium. I did some napkin math and the numbers work out tentatively but there's basically no testing data on this bitch. $1,020 a set not counting shipping. 8.8lb for a 10x12, 1.44" thick (a lot of carriers will have issues with plates that thick). Nobody has a BFD number so maybe run a CAP behind it and accept your fate as the Michelin man.

>>65206045
>Hydration bladder
or any sort of backpack really.
do yall use your chest rigs and plate carriers without backpacks?
maybe I should just finally buy a plate carrier...

>>65206071
Depends. You don't always want or need a backpack.

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>>65206071
I have a 3L hydration bladder on mine. Don't fall for the COD meme of running back panels unless you have dudes with you who can grab shit off your back panels. I tried one of those and felt retarded for an hour.

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Also AR500 discontinued their shitty mystery meat ceramics and PE plates. They're all in on the A4 steel-titanium alloy ass plate that can't stop M855A1 except out of a short barrel and weighs 8.75lb, nearly as heavy as a literal .50 caliber API plate from China.

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>>65206080
>You don't always want or need a backpack
idk %99 of the time I shoot with gear I already did need one and will need one after shooting
>>65206082
don't worry I'm not that retarded!

>>65206080
>>65206143
If you want a third line (sustainment) you'll need a backpack. Don't be like Naked Snake magically fitting 300lb of shit in a buttpack.

Budget option for arc rail helmet flashlight?

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Check it, the Hesco 4K10 has been REINSTATED on the NIJ CPL. Looks like they did what RMA could not.
This is still a bad omen, because the 4K10 is literally Hesco's strongest plate and the only one rated to withstand more than one M2AP with 51mm spacing, which is actually a really hard requirement for monolithic plates.
Three theories:
1. The 4K10 got heavier and is no longer the plate which was certified, so that raised a problem with the NIJ so they suspended it - this theory can be crossed out because the 4K10 is now reinstated.
2. The 4K10 is just underbuilt and/or had a workmanship error, so it failed FIT. Possible.
3. The NIJ shot it with M2AP twice because the Level IV multi-hit requirement is specified by the manufacturer and Hesco / Carolina said two, not one, and one plate shit the bed but the issue got rectified. Possible.
IMO, only a matter of time until the same happens to the 4403 or 4601, but Hesco has proven they're good about fixing their (numerous) fuckups so you won't be left holding a bag.

This guy has single handedly ruined these threads.

>>65206148
unironically aliexpress

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>>65206167
There's five active armor autists and one plate philosopher.
1. Infograph guy
2. bag anon
3. neetmaster
4. taobao guy
5. rusanon (hasn't been seen in months probably got sent back to the front)
>>65202231
If it's in solid shape, great option.

Is NorgeStar on eBay legit?
https://www.ebay.com/str/norgestar?_trksid=p4429486.m3561.l161211
Reviews seem to say so. I'm thinking of getting some Crye crap from them since I'm able to get it a little less than from Crye's website. I still worry about it being surprise chinkshit, though.

>>65206183
Amazon and ebay generally just get shit off Aliexpress but with a markup. You can get some downright fearsome flashlights and lasers off the Chinese, and I mean that in both the blind your enemies way and also catch your helmet on fire way.
There is merit in laser dazzlers, especially for fucking up cameras and visual drones in shtf larp seshs.

>>65206171
>>65206188
Will they be stem lights or actual flashlights attached to the rail? I got a cheap one for my Stribog but want something slightly nicer for the helmet since I'll be using it while camping with the wife and maybe even my mother with her. Any specific recs? Or just buy what looks good? Already got a gopro mount for it, helmet cover etc

>>65206185
Police your links man. Anyways, yeah, they seem legit. They have an actual website, solid ebay feedback, have been around for like fifteen years, run by a Jordan Lida in Kansas.
It is VERY difficult to get burned on ebay.
>I still worry about it being surprise chinkshit, though.
Then you file an INAD return and make the jawn pay return shipping and a full refund, lol.

>>65206200
There are both the stem types and regular. Rule of thumb on Aliexpress is that there's like a billion sellers but only a few actual factories. You've got the real sellers dealing the goods, then various sheisters dealing in factory seconds, ghost shifted stuff, the works.
1. Buy from actual stores (not shop48289292 or whatever)
2. Buy good brands. WADSN is fine, those knockoff surefires are generally fine but not dependable if recoil or hard wear & tear is involved.
3. Buy good batteries. Nobody likes a tire fire because you bought a 9900mah fake 18650 or whatever. Do NOT ever cheap out on lithium ion batteries.

>>65206209
>Do NOT ever cheap out on lithium ion batteries.
Truer words have never been spoken.

>>65206209
Can do, got a WADSN stem light but will be using LION batteries from home. I'm under no impression that this will be anywhere near the quality that a true gearqueer will expect but it should be good enough for camping, fishing, maybe hog hunting in South Georgia. Cheers for the rec

>>65206263
I'm rolling a WADSN light on the side of my BA3A, they're good. Has a slight electrical whine when it's powered on but nothing that could blow your location unless those directional microphone cat ears are involved.

>>65206267
>directional microphone cat ears are involved.
NTA but are those real, I thought they were just a meme.

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>>65206271
Yes they are. This is advanced uwufare.

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>>65206277

>>65206277
Right but those things don't actually work, right?

>>65206305
Uhm...
>The helmet is ballistic and designed to meet military standards for protection. It integrates ear protection as well as enhanced hearing capabilities and integration into radio systems.
>Further, the system can detect radio and phone signals and can even provide soldiers with the location of gunfire. Being able to see the enemy beyond muzzle flashes has always been a fighting man’s dream.
They're supposed to, but the jury is out on how well.

Guy from Kodiak Tactical from a few threads back here.

Spoke with the team and we are planning a liquidation sale of our current inventory to move into some of the ideas you guys mentioned.

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>The service initially expected to pay $50,000 to $80,000 per unit under IVAS. Luckey noted that Anduril expects “to be coming in at half of that.”
Fuck outta here with that shit. Spend the money on knockoff Shaheds.

>>65206330
Niiiiice. Here's the thread where this came up if anyone is curious.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/65114655/#65125854

>>65206333
Inb4 “BuY aN aD”, but we are gonna be moving towards titanium tools later this year, lighter weight alloys this summer, new designs for halligan and other breaching tools this summer, and some kits for cars that will allow for ramming doors/cars that hook up to trucks.

>>65206330
https://kodiaktactical.com/
That shit happening now? Any word on pricing on anything? I don't wanna email y'all just for the price of a prybar. What can you share?

>>65206353
I’ll post a price list tonight, but the owner used to post on /MEG/ and has a soft spot in his heart for /k/. The kits are around $750-800 for a sledge, halligan, and bolt cutters. Individual tools are more but we just finished cerakoting them.

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>>65206350
>and some kits for cars that will allow for ramming doors
aww fuck yeah we're gonna mad max the crack castles.
>>65206371
>The kits are around $750-800 for a sledge, halligan, and bolt cutters
Actually not bad for premium tools. Those three get you in the game. Are you still rolling with the loadable 15-50lb ram and the blank powered door blaster thingy?

>>65206384
We have not one but TWO prototypes of the blank firing tool in the works! One is LE/MIL restricted (.50 cal that would absolutely send doors flying, kinda have to vet those clients) and the other is 7.62 blank powered and is more of a suppressor style design. I won’t get into the details but you use a .308 blank and it creates a cutting jet of gas to punch out hinges.

We got some feedback from the T&E clients. The rams will be available in July/August. Slightly longer but that’s for added safety for the operator.

>>65206415
>One is LE/MIL restricted (.50 cal that would absolutely send doors flying, kinda have to vet those clients)
It would be exceptionally based if that was not credential blocked in case I get locked out of my car or something.

>>65206439
The .50 is “push only” as it throws a door with 450ft/lbs of energy. You don’t want to be on the receiving end of that.

>>65206439
What's actually the argument for credential blocking? Is it illegal for civilians to own? If not, why not sell it?

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>>65206450
Oh then to hell with the rip and ram from that thread. That's fantastic.
>>65206452
NTA, it depends on the company. For example, armor companies credential block out of respect for their professional clients and to protect valuable secrets. For example, the Protech 2230 was credential-blocked and unavailable to civilians from 2014 until they collectively got surplused out about two years ago because they were all replaced and the warranties expired.
If civilians can never get the 2230s until they've been replaced, then "bad guys" never know what is necessary to actually penetrate the 2230. That protects the lives of law enforcement wearing said plates. Because it was also credential blocked and still is, we know nothing about the 2240 which replaced the 2230, except it's better. On the contrary, we know, and therefore everybody can know, with great precision what is necessary to punch the Hesco 4800s used by the FBI because they are not credential blocked. You run M2AP about 50ft/s faster than NIJ spec and it's done. M993 even at 100-200y standoff will likely punch it.
>Is it illegal for civilians to own? If not, why not sell it?
In Kodiak's case, they'd probably credential block the .50 BMG super door fucker 9000 because professional criminal gangs do use advanced equipment, like hydraulic breaching kits, electronic jammers, deauth devices, etc and it's a really bad look if your super amazing door blaster gets in the news because some clown used it to break into the mayor's house through a security door and steal his family jewels.

>>65206452
Beats me, man. Might change once our lawyers look at it, but the owner doesn’t want people getting hurt using them. It’s a limited use care for physically blasting a door open and most people don’t have the training, insurance, or necessity, so he might open it up to the public if we get enough demand and can vet the clients. We’re gonna readdress it after it clears prototype and legal review.

>>65206469
>but the owner doesn’t want people getting hurt using them
Seems like a really easy liability release waiver? What's the MSRP on this thing? If it's overly expensive then you're going to weed out a lot of people by default. That means less opportunity for dipshittery just by numbers.
You can buy flamethrowers in the mail in the vast majority of states and they're cheap. I don't see people burning their houses down daily with them. IMO, a flamethrower is a lot more dangerous than a door blaster. One burns down a house (and modern houses burn easy), the other can... throw a door into a person and kill them? If you treat it like a firearm and use the classic firearm rules... and not a larp toy... then the safety risk is minimal. Know your target and what is beyond.
>so he might open it up to the public if we get enough demand and can vet the clients
That depends a lot on the MSRP. The era of the dudebro operator using covidbux on larp gear has unfortunately passed and the budgets are tighter.

>>65206480
The .50 BMG is around $4k at the moment. It’s designed to replace the need for explosive breaching for departments and agencies that require fire suppression on hand for non-mechanical breaches.

The 7.62 “not a suppressor” design is about the same as a suppressor. The whole idea is if you have a 7.62 gun, you swap your mags to blanks, put the “not a suppressor” on your muzzle device, and you have a semi auto knob/hinge popper. Drop your mag, drop the “not a suppressor” and you can rejoin the team.

>>65206488
>The .50 BMG is around $4k at the moment
Yeah the average dude is not gonna be able to swing that. I can see the argument for credential-blocking this because you'd get a couple of A2Grip-esque high rollers, maybe a few dudes putting that thing on a credit card so they can flex it on the 'gram, and then some pro criminal straw-purchasing it so his crew can break into check cashing places at two in the morning. Then you wind up in the news because your badass door puncher is being used by criminals to break into secure buildings and now you're getting sued by the check cashing place because you sold to criminals. Negligent, reckless, whatever. This kinda stuff does happen. Civilian sales heavy armor company RMA is currently getting hot coals stuffed up their ass because a supermarket shooter bought a pair of their plates and wore them to said supermarket. That doesn't happen to credential-blocking companies.

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Found it, reddit (blegh) case of a B&E involving a hydraulic breaching backpack.

>>65202521
SPC is g2g.

>>65206544
Yeah. We are trying to help people, not aid in their criminal mischief. Guns can be used both offensively, sure, but have definite defensive application. In the case of body armor, I don’t think RMA did anything wrong by allowing someone to be safer even if that individual did some bad stuff. You can’t tell who is going to use the product in the conduct of a crime.

The .50 cal door destroyer BFG-9000 doesn’t really have a defensive use case, hence the trepidation in completely open sales. The post about flame throwers is 100% correct, but flamethrowers have plenty of legal, productive use cases. Our tool (joking called “Harambe” in house) is only meant to be used for forcible entry and isn’t useful for much else. Kinda hard to justify putting the company in a position for a lawsuit after some nut job uses it against a soft target.

>>65205353
>pic related
>leaveback off to sae weight
>fall forward oer balanced
>break plate
You can't fool me!

>>65205625
>nylon
News flash, my Chinese nylon disintegrated.

>>65206572
This is what happens when you buy D-grade nylon. It... D-sintegrated.
>>65206571
Shit! That's why Adept never has drop tests in their test reports!
>>65206564
>In the case of body armor, I don’t think RMA did anything wrong by allowing someone to be safer even if that individual did some bad stuff.
It's a complicated situation because there are allegations the RMA rep knew or should have known Payton Gendron's intentions and sold him the plates anyway, but the lawsuit reeks of bullshit and I hope RMA walks clean. I don't even like RMA, but they got death threats out of this mess and they don't deserve that. If they lose there's going to be a major chilling effect on civilian body armor sales. Everybody loses because nobody wants to be held liable.

>>65206564
And to address this separately:
>The .50 cal door destroyer BFG-9000 doesn’t really have a defensive use case, hence the trepidation in completely open sales.
To argue in the alternative, why not? I've got one example of a hydraulic breaching backpack being used in a B&E. I'm sure there's more but it'd be unfortunate to basically deny people a neat tool (even if it's basically a very expensive toy to civilians) because one asshat ruined it for everybody. Hate to use another body armor example, but it's like selling M993-rated plates to civilians. Sure, you have zero chance of running into M993 in a home defense situation. But the situation in the future MIGHT change and such protection will become necessary. We're seeing that now with all this hypervelocity ammo shit.
>The post about flame throwers is 100% correct, but flamethrowers have plenty of legal, productive use cases.
Indeed, but they also carry risks. The use for this tool would just be that it's cool. Maybe someone has a ball blowing out IKEA doors in their backyard with it. Car accidents kill over a hundred people daily in the US, but we're still allowed to drive cars. They have productive uses, of course, but the risk of driving a car is a lot greater than the risk of somebody buying a fancy breaching tool and then... I dunno, blasting someone in the face with it?
>Our tool (joking called “Harambe” in house) is only meant to be used for forcible entry and isn’t useful for much else.
The use is that it's cool, lol. Sure, there are people who will buy it for civil preparedness reasons and because they think during times of civil unrest they'll want to use it for certain "good guy" purposes. You get the good with the bad with civilian sales though.
>Kinda hard to justify putting the company in a position for a lawsuit after some nut job uses it against a soft target.
Maybe the soft target shouldn't be so soft? Bad actors are going to use... something to do whatever they want to do.

>>65206701
>Maybe the soft target shouldn't be so soft?
What American school children need are harder soft targets!

>>65206708
Damn straight, just as hypervelocity ammo is going to force armor manufacturers to get off their asses and stop playing 2 + 2 = 4 but sometimes only 3.9, .50 BMG blank door hercules hooks and other associated tools will bring a new era of hardening soft targets.
Those food delivery robots in major cities will be strapped with giant ass cans of pepper spray and used to stand guard inside check cashing places in really bad parts of town! Someone breaks in? Spray em and burn the money! It's insured! Nobody's gonna steal the money if they know it'll be destroyed! It's like ink tags at the department store!

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>>65202128
What kind of shrapnel armor would you /k/ommandos wear against drones in ukraine situation? Considering buying armor and non-flammable underwear.

>>65206971
Jinwudun ballistic skirt for MAXIMUM dick coverage

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>>65207318
Forgot pic

>>65206971
Full BALCS with deltoids, abdominal, and neck, a full cut helmet, plus PE plates (6x8 sides included) and >>65207322.
If you shop used / chinese you can get the above for pretty low prices.

>>65206971
I am brown and hate Russia

>>65203936
I don't see a brim in that stock photo. Are those actually ACH-style helmets? Doesn't look like PASGT.

>>65207322
What do the japs call their version of faulds? Looks like that desu

>>65205443
Assuming this is done well, does this actually degrade the integrity of the helmet? Obviously the holes drilled into it compromise those parts, but factory new helmets do that stuff. Are there issues with heat or something that can mess up the fibers?
I'm new and dumb. Sorry.

>>65207498
Yeah, they're ACH style.
>>65207541
That right there is Russia-approved, battlefield tested Jinwudun son. The only problem is how to shit and piss with it on. Go kommando underneath and just shit while standing in a slavic squat? It is the only way. But then how can you wipe? Is this a new era of buddy system?

>>65207661
It can and it might. It also might not The cutting process needs to be sterile and the re-sealing needs to be properly done.
All about your risk tolerance.

>>65207322
Your skirt makes you look pretty. What's ur name?

>>65207430
Based freedom lover.

>>65207673
Much like the circumcision ritual.

>>65207788
Dimitri
>>65207796
Do you mean to tell me high cut helmets are CUT?

Is this good for starter armor?
https://acelinkarmor.com/level-4-promo-set-of-2-plates

>>65203936
How worth it wpuld it be to buy one of these and send it to that guy who cuts them to modern style for mid/high/etc cut and slap some rails on it for nods, earpro, etc?

>>65208192
see
>>65207673
>>65207661

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Plates arrived. Time to actually get a carrier.
All signs point to the JPC being a good first plate carrier, so I'm gonna go that route unless there's something else not on the infographic that I should be considering.

>>65208206
Hmm...for $235+t+s&h seems like a good deal for a modern cut helmet. Just gotta slap some rails on it. Worth it i guess for a poor like me. $2000 for newer factory high cuts and what not is out of my price range. Can you recommend some good pads? I think I read the older style pads are great. Think ibsaw several threads back about some kind of 3d mesh(?) pads good for not soaking up sweat and air flow.

>>65208081
>starter armor?
So what is this? Does it stop bullets or almost stop bullets? Is it cheaper because it's sketchy or acceptable because you will never need it to work?

Kommandostore P84 or Trex Quad Flap for a 308 chest rig?

>>65208529
I have the p84 individual pouches. Like them a lot. Trex is a scummy company that screwed their brother Lucas out of the company and betrayed him. Don't care about him much at all, but doing that to your blood kin is trash move.

>>65208542
Lucas is an autistic faggot nepobaby who literally looks like the chud meme. He married some ran-through tatted-up whore he met on Bumble who was most likely the only woman who had ever paid attention to him, and when his actually religious family expressed their rightful distaste for her, he decided to 'be a man' and sperg out and cut his entire family off. When his whore wife got busted texting other guys at his own workplace he blew up his whole company because like the incel simp he is, he chose to believe his lying whore wife over his own family.

I've watched his videos, I've watched T-Rex arms videos, and I've watched Ben Stoeger's videos and the only conclusion you can possibly come to is the Lucas is a retarded sperg simp faggot.

Does anyone currently make a kangaroo placard with molle up front? I really like my jpc 1.0 and how I could a triple mag setup on the molle and still be pretty low profile, or also use the kangaroo pockets and increase capacity on my chest to 6 mags. All i can find is shitty laser cut chicom shit.
Thank you for your attention in this matter.

>>65208585
I didn't know the contrarian tryoffs were happening soon.

>>65202128
I really like the green on the bag. Anybody know what those exact shades of green are called?

>>65208542
I’d like to support Kommandostore, but they are being jews and charging more for a niggeraguan made chest rig than Trex does for a USA made one. Maybe there’s a difference in material quality or something, idk. I wanted to buy their berry compliant M81 woodland P84 rig, but those are gone now. The only ones they have in stock at the moment are in desert night camo which looks silly. I may just wait for their July 4 or Black Friday sales that they have every year.
>>65208585
I never really cared about Lucas, but this sounds highly plausible considering the fact that he grew up in a homeschool cult and probably never had any exposure to foids prior to falling for the marriage meme. Keep in mind that he’s confirmed to have lead poisoning and most likely concussive brain damage from shooting too much.

>>65208529
Both are faggot companies
One employs an actual boylover and sponsored his visa
Other employs shithead dudes who sold lucas up the river
>308 chestrig
mayflower

Anyone got a lead on an Avon n49?

I want a carabiner for my plate carrier for gloves, do I need to buy a strap or anything to attach it?

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>>65208724
Is there anyway I can convince you to simply put the gloves in your pocket? Carabiners catch wires and shit, especially if youre hanging on the sides of vehicles.
>Oh go with a locking one
As if youre going to lock/unlock it each time to deposit/withdraw gloves!
>ME WANT CARABINER
Alright, buy an ITW grimloc so it fails open and doesnt attach you to a wire. Dont put anything but a set of gloves on there and you will be fine.

Spiritus running a discount code rn?

>A2grip try not to be a faggot challenge
I just want a hook for my gloves so I can keep all my gear together.

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>>65208216
Welcome to Protech 2230 Gang, now numbering five anons. JPC or SPC are solid.
>>65208220
PGD makes solid pads.
>>65208081
>>65208226
It's cheaper because it's chinesium, and they're pulling some tricky bullshit too. The test report they have is for a 6.14lb Silicon Carbide Level IV plate that stops 2x .30-06 M2AP with sub-15mm BFD. Impressive. However, the ACTUAL Level IV plate they're selling, which is bumming pic related test report for a totally different plate, is an aluminum oxide tile array weighing 6.9lb. Whatever Level IV plate they sent NTS Chesapeake is not the plate they are actually selling. Some kind of heavily trauma padded ringer, which is maybe why they had the thickness omitted from the test report. Their more expensive multi-curve SiC Level IV matches the weight, but has a BFD on the second hit of 38.9mm. Again, thickness omitted, major red flag. Also no drop testing or conditioning. Red flag #2 for both reports.
When Buff tested the "real" Alumina plate, the first plate failed against M2AP on the first hit (bruh) but the second plate put on a suspiciously much better show, handling 2x M2AP, 2x reduced velocity M993, and more. That's... seriously inconsistent. I strongly suspect plate #2 was a ringer (a plate specially made for a youtube test) but plate #1 is what they're actually selling to you and I. Piss poor performance if that's the case. Both plates were marked as the same weight by Buff, which is statistically almost impossible given the variances inherent in modern consumer-grade armor.
It's likely plate #2 was substantially beefed up and plate #1 was the one that was actually weighed.

>just tell me if they're good or not man!
Their test reports do not reflect the plates they're actually selling and have red flags. No drop test. No conditioning. When Buff drop tested the first plate, it fell apart and put on a Hesco 4403-esque performance despite using a superior PE backer. No NIJ certs. Buff's an affiliate. Buy Gilliam.

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>>65208585
T-Rex sells $160 IWA breaching charges that can't handle basic residential doors and an excluuuusive Hesco plate, the T212, that gets blown out by basic .308 threats. I'm just saying.

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>>65208781
>too stupid to correctly use a carabiner
>cast stones anyway
The irony

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>>65208803
Where can I cop that shirt? Gonna wear it with pic rel and unlock a new level of drip.

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>>65208081
For comparison's sake, see pic related test reports for the Gilliam 1023 and 1635. Both plates are $400/set. The 1023 stops six M2AP after being dropped twice, 1635 is much lighter but stops same threat twice, again, after drop testing. Based on the test reports alone, the 1635 is superior to either Ace Link Level IV plate. The Buff test has quirks and the classic youtuber conflict of interest so I'd toss that. It's Chinesium versus Chinesium, sure, but A-grade versus B-grade.

>>65208807
look like something for instathots

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>>65208848
The shirt or the aliexpress rizz cloak?

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Also a new steel helmet is available, the Warmag (chinesium outfit) NP550. It's special threat, rated for select 5.7x28 and 7.62x25 threats, and not IIIA. Advertised high multi-hit and low BFD. Full cut, 3.8lb, allegedly defeats 12 gauge slugs with about 19mm BFD.
Honestly not that... bad... for a $260 helmet? I'm curious as to why it's not rated for .44 magnum.

>>65208882
>3.8lb
Ouch. And that's without shroud and rails, which you can probably never get anyway. Pretty good for an "emergency" helmet that you put in a closet and forget about, but not something I'd want to wear too often.

>>65208882
>I'm curious as to why it's not rated for .44 magnum.
Is ANY helmet? Even the ECH looked like complete shit when people shot it with .44 Magnum.

>>65208882
>steel helmet
>3.8lbs
Wtf are you doing
Steel plates are passable if you have a thick enough spall layer but they're still heavy, why would you EVER get a steel helmet?

I don't care about your shitty temu larp helmet.

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>>65208922
It looks like it can fit one of the boltless ebay kits. https://www.ebay.com/itm/174546759463. I did some more digging and it looks like the helmet is in fact "IIIA+" per their ebay listing.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156051890607

There are also very informal youtube backyard tests by Warmag. Take these with a grain of salt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbNFxcdENtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-s_pJW-Bf8
Per pic related, multi-hit is VERY good. I don't know why they retracted the IIIA claim on the actual website, that's concerning.

Assuming the ebay listing trumps the website, this would make some sense as a high-threat helmet in similar sense to the various high-level helmets used by Russian counter-terrorist squads back in the day. Some of those were around 10lb and could stop 7.62x54 LPS.

>>65208766
>>65208781
a2 is to retarded and poor to buy a locking carabiner

>>65208585
not only all that but cuck lucas constantly talks about family and faith and his wife refuses to have kids with him and they have "furbabies"
complete mind rape

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>>65208924
Well, technically any "IIIA" helmet is made the fuck up on rating and there's no uniform way to measure BFD under NIJ 0106.01 nor a list of compliant products.
You'd have to consult each helmet's spec sheet to get a good idea. For example, here's the spec sheet for the BA3A. Note that they switch to NIJ 0108.01 (the catch-all not body armor, not helmet) standard from NIJ 0106.01 (helmet standard). No promises on BFD!
>Even the ECH looked like complete shit when people shot it with .44 Magnum.
Because it's UHMWPE and PE helmets don't do as hot versus equivalent aramids. This came up a few breads ago when people were discussing GEN I ACH (aramid) vs GEN II (PE). PE is lighter but the BFD is potentially higher.
>>65208935
This isn't new. Have you seen Adept's novasteel helmet? The benefit of steel is that it has lower BFD than aramid or PE, which is actually kinda nice for helmets since your head is a lot more blunt tauma sensitive than your torso.
There are other European steel or titanium helmets as well. Same principle. More weight, better BFD numbers.
>Steel plates are passable
No. Absolutely not. Look at the infographic in >>65205253. They're all terrible. Steel is passable for two things. Shields and helmets. It is NOT passable for plates outside of extremely contrived situations like getting dumped with thirty M855 (AMI TAC3S says hi) or needing to survive ludicrous conditioning.

>>65208946
>Assuming the ebay listing trumps the website
lol, that's ridiculous. ebay listings are random at best.

>>65208967
> Because it's UHMWPE and PE helmets don't do as hot versus equivalent aramids. This came up a few breads ago when people were discussing GEN I ACH (aramid) vs GEN II (PE). PE is lighter but the BFD is potentially higher.
Honestly I don't think that the ACH holds up too well vs. .44 Magnum, and it's explicitly not rated for it, just 9mm FMJ and frag.

>>65208970
Well here's the thing. Ebay is extremely buyer friendly and any minute misleading detail by the seller or omission entitles the buyer to a full refund and return-shipping-paid-by-seller "INAD" return. If Warmag's helmet isn't really IIIA then that entitles buyers to said refund.
You do really have to tell the truth on fleabay or you open yourself up to hot coals up the poop chute from returns. On the other hand, "IIIA" doesn't exist for helmets so there's no risk in saying the same on the website, so what's the deal?
The helmet can handle 12 gauge magnum slugs fine with actually okay BFD (19mm), so I fail to see why it would shit the bed versus .44 magnum.
Ebay does require BODY armor to state it is complaint with NIJ 0101.06 (even if it isn't), but helmets are not body armor and thus that does not apply.
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/military-items-policy?
I think Warmag misread the above policy and is stating the helmet complies with NIJ IIIA (0101.06 edition) only because they think (wrongly) that Ebay requires them to do so, and they are not stating the same on the website because IIIA does not actually exist for helmets. It's like Level V for plates. Made the fuck up. 0106.01 only goes up to II.
>>65208975
Indeed. However, if you hypothetically made a (heavy as shit) aramid version of the ECH it would probably do a better job BFD-wise than the PE current ECH.
Ulbricht does have a VPAM PM-6 (3x 7.62x39mm MSC) titanium helmet but it's credential-blocked. 4lb, $4,000 or so and that's the alleged professional rate.

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Also you people ain't seen nothing yet if you think 3.8lb is bad for a helmet. Take a look at pic rel LSHZ-5 Vulcan, rated (allegedly) to GOST-BR4 (7N10 and 7.62x54 LPS). The helmet alone, sans visor, is 9.9lb.
Similarly, Tencate had ceramic applique plates 25 years ago that boosted helmets up to Level IV (yep) protection in exchange for similar weight.
There's a reason why none of that ever panned out and the LSHZ-5 is ridiculously rare shit. There are more Ceradyne 96034s than there are LSHZ-5s.

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Anyone used Unobtainium Gear's belt?

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Also, wait, hold up fellers. Warmag is applying the classic "reselling Chinese shit" price kick and the M88's REAL price is... $120 on ebay. Shipped.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/116141097712
Curious how much cheaper it is on Aliex or Taobao, presuming there isn't a second factory pumping out airshit non-ballistic replicas of the steel version.
Honestly, just buy a fuckin' BA3A.

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>>65208935
Also cuz PE and aramid helmets lose to crossbows from Cabela's!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9tpfqLB7i0

>>65206185
Ive bought from norgestar before, theyre real.

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>>65202128
These threads have been a vibe lately.
>1. Armor
>2. Armor
>3. Guy asking about a helmet
>4. Armor
>5. Armor
>6. Carriers
>7. Carabiners
>8. a2 got his dick stuck in a carabiner
>9. Armor
>10. Armor
>11. Armor
>12. Armor
>13. Armor
>14. Guy smoking crack in detroit
>15. Armor
>16. Armor
I'm just vibing to good tunes at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBtqgiiBnjk

go birds

>>65209319
I've never seen "vibe" used as a synonym for shitty faggotry before.

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>>65209357
>maybe if I call most of the thread faggots they'll go-go-go away and I'll have a dead thread to myself!
the post

>>65209363
The thread is already dead, it's one retard blog posting about armor and another retard occasionally posting temu trash/shilling his aliexpress store.

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>>65209373
Buddy there's several people blog posting about armor, one of them is just more verbose than the others, and one of them is also the alibabamaxxer. I guess you're too new to have figured that out.

The TAPS rig is said to be one of the better bits of US surplus out right now. Are there any gems to be aware of?

>>65209409
1. FLCs are cheap as hell
2. ECHs can be found relatively cheap if you shop around
3. If you want a laser dazzler then LA-12 GLIS 200mW lasers fall off of trucks every once in a while in a big batch. Can be used for a variety of applications.
4. If you want a dead nuts reliable weapon mounted thermal then a Raytheon W1000-9 is still attractive. No wifi, no BT, no app, so it can't be stream sniped against you unless they van eck phreak the crt display.
5. "surplus" ESAPIs are the chad midrange armor plate and, categorically, most field proven plates of all time.

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Painting my AMP-1E

>>65208585
>When his whore wife got busted texting other guys at his own workplace he blew up his whole company because like the incel simp he is, he chose to believe his lying whore wife over his own family.
Wow is that really what happened? I thought he said his brother forced him out or something. Crazy

>>65209438
Idk about any of that and I'd like to hear the source but I can tell you she's a homewrecking bitch, just listen to Lucas' side of the story and how he says she introduced him to the term "gaslighting" and "passive-aggressiveness" with regards to his own family.
Tbf I never liked her when I learned she wanted to pursue her own career even though Lucas owned a multi-million dollar company.
Stay home, cook and make babies bitch instead of being a career-woman

>>65209501
Oof. Sounds like my brother-in-law’s wife. Psycho bitch drove a massive wedge in the family.

>>65208585
Yeah, that was basically my read of the situation. Obviously all testimonies are unverifiable and we cant really ever know for certain, but I certainly got idubbz vibes from it all. The whole controversy over ownership sounds more to me like his folks trying to protect his virginal ass, since by the admission of everyone involved, Lucas never cared about the daily running of the company (being more interested in the instagram marketing and product prototyping side of things) and only started caring when his wife put pressure on him about not having full ownership; which a new spouse would only do if they had a view to one day cash out.

>>65209534
I mean the truth is Lucas probably is a simp, he was home-schooled and never saw or talked to any girls before Kara.
The dude def cannot tell a good one from a bad one and doesn't know when to tell his wife she's out of line

>>65209557
Don’t blame homeschooling for simp activity, my kids are homeschooled and my oldest has a gf from the co-op.

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>>65208724
>I want a carabiner for my plate carrier for gloves
Yes, you do.
>>65208766
>simply put the gloves in your pocket
Low speed, low drag. Viable, if you don't have $11 in 2026.
>>65208959
Burn.

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>>65209319
17. Armor with class
I appriciate the qrd. Also, I have found a new source for the bump helm.

>>65208781
Either you ignore A2 or you post elsewhere, he will complain if you don't do everything the way he likes it or put in more effort than him like being able to operate a locking carabiner.

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>>65209373
Oh, there is more than one retard itt, I can assure you.

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>>65209431
This will be a fun project!

>>65209905
Oh the armor has class here. I think half the thread is rolling expired plates. Aged like a fine wine.

Has Crye set the standard for zip on rear panels or something? Seems like a lot of vendors are making zip on panels that are compatible with Crye carriers. Or was this just an industry self-standardization thing kinda like placards?

>>65210263
>now the retard is claiming that ceramic actually expires
Nice.

Would it be interesting to note that I have found clay pottery from 950 - 1150AD (Pueblo II) that is just as fragile as the day it was fired? Real Indian Jones shit, good times. (No gold).

>>65210431
>he doesn't know about adhesive failure and delamination as seen by the Ceradyne 92547, 96448, and the TAP Gammas, along with other armor (hence why there's a tap test...), or PE backer degradation caused by poor storage conditions.
Sad. Dunning-kruger in the house tonight baby. News flash. Ceramic plates aren't literally just a strike face with no other components.

This is a non-issue however for most plates... hence why half the thread is using "expired" ones (myself included) without incident.

>>65210498
>Bro the glue failed trust me, go out and re buy your plates every 3 years
Getting tired of your faggot shit.

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>>65208807
No idea, was a gift
>>65208959
waitwaitwait, not like this!
>>65209898
>non locking
Kilt in the streets
>>65210427
>Is crye the standard
Basically
A couple manufacturers just simply refuse to do this though and end up doing one of the zippers flipped or a different size of zipper because fuck you.

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>>65210510
>Kilt in the streets
Why? Bc no gloves? Bc gloves are trapped behind a locking carabiner, is more likely. The fact that you are dead bc no gloves just means you are a pathetic crutch-style oper8R.
>>65208807
>a new level of drip
Once again, A2 fails to deliver. Here.

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>>65210524
Because you got caught on a fence you were climbing and died of embarrassment

>>65210528
>died of embarrassment
Sounds like a pride issue. It's Pride month for you all, isn't it?

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>>65210528
Es plane how a locking carabiner prevents this? Your logic seems to have painted you into a corner wih a dunce cap.

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>>65210543
Ill give you a hint
>It locks

>>65210562
>locks to fence
Go on.

>>65210506
>Ceradyne lost all of their USSOCOM contracts in 2013 and had to stop using aluminum crack arrestors by 2019 for this exact reason
>It's a bro trust me type situation
Trolling or retarded, call it.

>>65210569
>Locks to penis
Please donut.

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Anything wrong with this setup aside from it being British?
https://colemans.com/modular-osprey-mk4-body-armor-carrier

>>65210608
It's an Osprey carrier, so it takes funny plates and soft armor (proprietary cuts) unless that got fixed.

>>65210608
>colemans
>bme
>buy unissued M9
>cc gets hacked
>nieman marcus 50mi from colemans
Inside job.

>>65210586
>>Locks to penis
Mmm, go on...

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>>65210608
Without the soft armor its just going to be a big floppy mess. Even with softarmor its like a low budget 6094. Literally no reason to buy that at $199 over a used JPC for the same price
>But it comes with a bunch of poorly designed pouches
No thanks brud.

>>65210693
Happens to me at dunkin donuts
>>65210696
Tie a steel helmet to your dong to make it longer

>>65210735
You and your donuts. I'm a fritter man.

>>65210711
Thanks for the warning.

>Federal 6.5CM now 300fps faster
https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/federal-plus-peak-6-5-creedmoor-review/?
It's jover, expired plate boys.

>>65210788
Expired plate gang is rolling Protechs rated for M2AP going 600fps faster. We're two steps ahead.

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>>65210846

>>65210916
Don't worry, you've got the guys still rolling Hesco L210s by the balls.

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>>65210931

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>>65210788
lfg

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I see two common types of NVG NOTOROS mounts on the market: the one pictured and the other version without the little side arms. Is one any better than the other? I feel like it's a simple upgrade to a surplus helmet, but don't know what to go for. Alternatively, are there other mounts I should consider?

>>65211217
>other mounts I should consider
I'm considering this one, in fact, it's in my cart right now:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/388896733429?var=656056581273

>>65211356
Go on aliexpress and buy the same thing for less. No need to go on fleabay if you're dealing with the Chinese.

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>>65211217
The earlier style single hole mounts are centerline/browline of the helmet. This was sub optimal and resulted in the mount shifting left/right so people will use straps to hold the shroud. The one you posted is a later attempt at stabilizing a single screw mount by wrapping it around the brim of the helmet. It helped but really all of these are inferior to proper 3 hole shroud of any form.
>Any others I should consider
Does your helmet have 3 holes or 1 hole?
If it has one hole you should consider a different helmet, I know some friends who bondo'd over their one hole and drilled 3 new holes but thats tarded imo.

A unity summit shroud paired with an argus A4 mount is probably the most guccibudget shit you could do and isnt all that much more than a norotos+terrible one hole shroud.
>no I want it cheaper!
Surplus norotos 3 hole shroud for $50 on ebay and a silver titanium norotos 2nd gen mount for $50. Make sure its the silver/sometimes black one with T rails, not the black one with round rails.

Technically if you have a single hole you could use that surplus norotos shroud as a drill guide to help position your new holes. But really you should buy a new helmet at that point, anything singlehole is cooked at this point.
>what about aliexpress clone g24 + clone shroud?
These are all over the place in terms of quality. Some quite literally "just as good" as a real g24, and heaps of fucked ones. You should be lanyarding the NVG to helmet itself to help mitigate this risk but shiggitydiggitydoo

>>65211434
I decided to get one of the BA3A helmets listed earlier as babbys first helmet and am trying to think of some ways to make the thing better. I'm not looking to dump a bunch of money into stuff I know little about and I barely have the time to practice with anything, so I'm testing the waters before deciding if springing for something pricier later is worthwhile. I don't even have nods and am a long way off from getting any, but I'd like the capability should that change.

>>65211487
I can vouch for the boltless ebay kits if you don't want to drill. They fit the BA3A like a glove. Two retention bungees for NV.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/174546759463

>>65203936
Lol, this thing is gonna be /gq/ standard issue. High cut conversion shops boutta make a fuckin' mint.
I'm kinda feeling one of those steel helmets though.

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>>65211487
>think of some ways to make the thing better.

>>65211708
>Not tactical cat ears
It's like you haven't been keeping track of developments in Ukraine.

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>>65211736
Fun fact. According to my ass, a pair of cat ears is a psychological trick used by elite Ukrainians to make the Puccians aim higher. Like the bat symbol in the center of Batman's chest directing fire to where the armor is strongest, the UwU ara ara (patented by Rare "Breed") cat ears direct the Puccian to the most gay part of the helmet. He will therefore always shoot his load at the top, decreasing the odds of being penetrated.

Gun wont help you in a fight. & it wont help you fuck her this weekend because she knows how to buck back pussy boy. She still wont fuck you. Damn.

>>65211782
Listen buddy all the bitches cream when I tell them I'm going into debt to buy a 5k thermal drone because a2grip told me to.

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>>65211795
>because a2grip told me to.
This is the same A2 who promotes locking-climb-rated-carabiners-for-gloves-or-you-will-die-clipped-to-a-fence-gay-as-fuck-A2? How odd.

>>65211869
He got his wanger stuck in said carabiner

>>65211875
Do they make them that small?

>>65211881
Yeah he bought it on temu it was meant for those little navy seal action figures on ebay, you know what I'm talking about? The $80 ones with the fully accurate mini izlids and shit

>DEAL ALERT
LA-12 GLIS laser dazzlers, 200mW, starting at $250 bid. Vis laser only, designed to disorient. Will cause permanent vision loss.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/336612775038