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Om Nom Nom https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97604939/#97607590
Spellblade https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97596573/#97600413
Elf Shoemaker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97596573/#97600415
Pathfinder https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97604939/#97606151
Fighter https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97614311/#97615935
Light Mage https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97604939/#97612948
Hedonistic Goddess https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97604939/#97606669
Ascender https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97604939/#97606780
Fat Elvis https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97604939/#97610714
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97604939/#97613706
Wisteria Syn https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97614311/#97614731
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97614311/#97620780
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97614311/#97621391
Hades https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97614311/#97621551
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>>97624114
updating my build from the original version
>Path
>Adventurer
Growth is more fun
>Race:
>Human
Don’t care enough about any of the other bonuses for what I’m going for
>Scenario:
>Early Start
I don’t have an exact date in mind, but early enough to explain my level of growth by the time of canon - in other words, a retroactive early start, such that what is listed here is what I’ve become when canon ‘starts’
>Multiplayer
I’m sure all the other anons will need someone to supply them with gear, and need repairs when in the Dungeon
>Training:
>Combat II (-4)
I like testing my weapons and armor in actual combat scenarios, and doing so has given me plenty of experience with every kind of weapon under the sun
>Survival II (-6)
I’ve been in the dungeon enough to learn most of what there is to know about monsters - which helps with my smithing, to specialize weapons and armor to different monster types - and a general sense of how to survive for longer periods of time
>Charm I (-3)
It’s hard to hate someone who’s willing to repair your gear when away from civilization, but more seriously I’ve gained plenty of experience with people through selling my own goods, at least before Hephy saw fit to give me her seal of approval and include me in her brand
>Equipment:
>Grimoire (-4) (Instant repair and restoration of an item/set to its state when originally crafted)
Perfect for restoring items after a test run and immediately being able to put them out for sale; also great for emergency repairs if I happen upon a new adventurer in over their head, or are in a party and their weapon or armor shatters
>Levels:
>Level 6 (-15)
I’ve made it a long, long way, far past all of Hephy’s familia, though I make sure to stay friendly to my junior smiths, providing encouragement and an aspiration for them to grow towards
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>Development Abilities:
>Blacksmith D
How could I call myself a follower of Hephaestus without this?
>Mystery E (-4)
Same as Blacksmith to a lesser degree, but finding novel magical properties for weapons and armor to help against different monsters is fun in and of itself
>Prime F (-2)
Boosted stats are beneficial when crafting as well as collecting and refining materials, in addition to the more obvious upsides
>Luck G (-4)
Some rare materials are a bastard to get, so having a boosted chance is a godssend
>Resist H (-1)
What’s the point of testing armor in the field if some attacks just ignore it completely?
>Skills:
>Assist (-1)
The more crafting materials I can collect before having to return, the better
>Nature’s Forge (-4)
Once while testing a new batch of weapons and armor, I chanced upon a Golem, a spirit of Iron, and after impressing him with both my craftsmanship and my skill at using that which I made, he granted me his blessing, allowing me to craft and use higher purity metals and enchant them with greater durability and resistance to general wear and rust, along with minor ferrokinetic abilities while in combat
>Familia:
>Canon God (Hephaestus)
My mentor, and after much effort, a close and dear friend as well, being the only adventurer in her familia at such a high level
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>Companions:
>Myron Cobol (-1)
A dear friend and sworn rival - at least according to him. Myron pushes himself hard to eclipse me in the field of Mystery crafting, despite being 3 levels my junior. We often share our experiences with rare or unique monsters we encounter during our forays into the dungeon, while discussing and comparing how and what we would craft to counter them. Occasionally, when a high-level mark is published, we go out in joint ventures as a sort-of competition to see who crafts the best equipment to defeat it
>Devon Baird (-1)
Despite his departure from Hephy’s familia to pursue adventuring more directly, Devon and I go way back, having joined the familia relatively soon after one another and bonding over a shared desire to venture into the dungeon ourselves to test our crafts. Our outlooks complement each other, as he crafts for the joy of matching a client’s needs, while I craft for the joy of the craft itself, so when we work together our craft surpasses the limits of what either of us could produce individually
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I just saw the most bizarre thing I've seen in years.
>be wagie for grocery store chain (pay's decent, work is light)
>out in parking lot looking for grocery carts
>spot strange small blur on the pavement
>go over to examine it
>it's a dead rat
>not just any dead rat, an adult male that shows zero signs of damage
>except for one
>the top half of its skull has been removed in a perfect circular pattern, exposing the brain
>for some reason the birds hadn't got it yet
>decay had not yet begun to set in, implying the death was recent
It gave me the spooks so I left it but I've never heard of a rat having the top half of its skull removed like this. I took a couple of photos but I use an android with shit camera quality and don't want to be banned for off-topic goreposting, but I'll probably make a post about this on /a/ later. It definitely inspired me, for better or worse. Is this some kind of omen for the future of the /cyoag/?
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also, it removes a level of planning in deciding which skill to get first, second, etc to maximize the skills you need for the build while also gaining smaller levels of utility elsewhere
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Wtf do you mean, first and second? You gain everything all at once.
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...I see where I'm disconnecting here
I'm forgetting this is an isekai where you drop in already at max power, whereas I'm creating characters with the mindset that they start at level 1 and I'm planning out how they grow in the world; see my 'retroactive early start'
is it a bit of a sartre? sure, but I find it more interesting than being dropped into the world as an OP out-of-context-probem
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if it gives you abilities as if you got to level 6 six times for each ability, yeah it's a little OP, at least for gaining it with no effort; if you're choosing to be an adventurer, you obviously to put some level of effort into your adventure, or else you'd just be a god and get your power handed to you
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if your fantasy is getting power handed to you, why are you playing a cyoa with relatively low power levels and an entire mechanic based around growing more powerful over time
just go play some slop like omega lords where you're explicitly some special snowflake with reality altering powers by default
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No no you don't understand mate, you have to be the special snowflake in all CYOAs from Living God to pic related, otherwise your life has no value and you're failing your potential or something.
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Nobody asked for your opinion Charlie.
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Going by this there is a hidden disadvantage, you could get more stats if you just start at level 1 since leveling with the cyoa gives "only" 1000 in each stat.
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>>97624114
Danmachi build rankings.
ADVENTURERS
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Om Nom Nom
Rank A (9/10)
Really really strong synergy between glutton, monster maker, tamer, survival, and the monster spell. Luck and voice are solid additions. Though since monster maker and the monster spell are already so versatile together, metamagic doesn’t add much of anything here.
Ganesha is also a good canon god for a monster tamer.
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Spellblade
Rank D (6/10)
A few abilities with moderate synergy between them. It’s not bad, but it seems more like it’s covering its bases between melee/magic/healing rather than making a cohesive build. Shockwave and regeneration are redundant with your magics, and ideally a magic caster isn’t getting hit often enough for regeneration to be useful.
At best this works as magical artillery that’s hard to interrupt.
Loki’s a solid god for mages and fighters both.
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Elf Shoemaker
Rank F (4/10)
Deranged, but achieves its goal of being good at making shoes. Not really an adventurer so this may have worked better as a god build.
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Pathfinder
Rank E (5/10)
I haven’t read LOTM so I admittedly don’t get this one. Taken by itself it’s a magic/casting build that hinges entirely on getting the grimoire spell you want. Not especially strong or high-potential as an adventurer apart from the high starting level but makes for a solid crafter.
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Fighter
Rank D (6/10)
Curse + chain with haste and blitz are the strongest combos here. Survival/combat/tactics also means the whole thing executes well.
Unfortunately the other selections are weak, so it’s hard to get this to scale into higher levels.
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Light Mage
Rank S (10/10)
An excellent magic path build. Most important here is that it has a good spread of spells for handling any situation and compensating for weaknesses.
Double canon + restore does a lot for survivability. Raise offers some amount of safety from interruption. Metamagic and Torrent gives quick access to enough versatility to handle most situations with only magic.
Still potentially vulnerable to anti-magic or surprise attacks.
Loki is also a solid familia for mages.
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Ascender
Rank F (4/10)
Excellent combo in hidden ace & mystery crafting.
The problem is that this build doesn’t have much going for it outside of infrequently pumping out quality artifacts. Being in a remote location on the surface and having very few tools to help with levelups is rough. Does alright as a comfy build if it stays where it is, but even regular levelups will be hard with this setup. Ascending to divinity is a silly pipe dream.
Solid custom god, mainly for their merchantry skills.
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Fat Elfvis
Rank I (1/10)
Metamagic without any magic. Gluttony and Mystery without any resources. Hidden Ace without anything it can be used on until level two. There’s so many wasted choices here that I can’t see this build making it as an adventurer. At least it picked a familia of farmers to retire to.
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Trojan Craftsman
Rank F (4/10)
A level six with a bunch of support development abilities. Works as a high level support/crafter but nothing special about it. Has some tanking ability but still needs three more levels for the build to be complete which is unlikely to happen with this setup. The weird trojan horse plan may need some reworking.
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Wisteria Syn
Rank H (2/10)
A build focused around providing buffs, but not personally strong or capable of adventuring solo. There’s no way for this build to use the gigantic well of magic power from favored path with only a single non-stacking spell, especially once Spirit is active, so Pressurized is underutilized.
No options for staying safe or being useful after the buffs are cast, and has an excruciating time leveling stats to a point where the buffs are even useful in the first place.
Really careless familia selection for a build that relies entirely on allies for survival.
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Rank G (3/10)
Comfy builds like this would probably make more sense as god builds. Very little potential outside of the starting level.
Your choices eclipse the actual Hestia familia, which is underequipped for the high level adventurers you’re adding to it. Since she’s a virgin goddess she’s also probably going to get in your way when it comes to relationships, especially if she likes you.
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Loner Mage
Rank C (7/10)
A summoner/support/artillery mage build. The most useful thing here is minion with exalt cast on it to give you a powerful defender. Tactics would have been a lot more useful than scheming for taking advantage of that strategy.
Spends a lot of points on defensive options for a mage build that shouldn’t be getting attacked while casting in the first place, especially when you have a minion to tank damage for you.
Freyja is a good familia for loners.
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Smith
Rank E (5/10)
Another level six crafter. Competently made with a good familia choice but this build also has very little to help in actual combat. As a result it’s pretty much at its peak already and will have a lot of difficulty growing further.
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GODS
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Hedonistic Goddess
Rank F (4/10)
God of beauty and charm are really strong together but your other choices are lacking.
Discerning eye doesn’t do much of anything for this build and the maxed out charm and many alliances are largely redundant.
Scheming 3 is normally strong but this is a god of beauty without unsuspecting who has only four familia members, so the actual avenues for scheming are extremely limited. The only real option is to visibly and hamhandedly abuse charm, making the legend quest way, way more difficult than it needs to be when a virgin god inevitably comes down on this tactic.
Your familia size and composition aren’t at all adequate for a golden child, let alone three level fives.
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Rank B (8/10)
A powerful, gigantic, undying familia with good adventurer/thematic designs.
Definitely suffers from having a weak god, to the point that the quests and rivalries are going to be very difficult, especially Guild War. Protection, recruitment, training, and everything else is going to have to be managed by familia members.
Has an unspent point because of the one free Child purchase. Picked a couple illegal rivalries location-wise.
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>>97624114
Don't forget to link the build ratings in the next list:
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There's no way he'll be able to condense 1000+ chapters of the original and almost that of the sequel into a 10+ page cyoa without botching the shit out of it. This is just cope to pacify the lorelets and you know it.
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>>97624822
Anon there's greater feeling of getting cucked than sitting in the corner watching others having fun talking about a setting they're intimately familiar with. You are the ultimate cuckold. Like a lonely corner sitter in a lively party.
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And there is no way Anon will remember all the traps, plot hooks, locations and rituals across that many chapters either.
It's not like Anon can't read it afterwards using the fragmented knowledged he got from the CYOA.
Worse case scenario he'll be Choosing to use headcanon for His Own Adventure and there is nothing wrong with that. Unless he's somehow cowed by the 4-5 people that read the 1500+ chapters and lord it over everyone else, but then he was never going to have a good time here.
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>Worse case scenario he'll be Choosing to use headcanon for His Own Adventure and there is nothing wrong with that. Unless he's somehow cowed by the 4-5 people that read the 1500+ chapters and lord it over everyone else, but then he was never going to have a good time here.
This is exactly what will happen and you know it. Anons (me included) are ruthless intellectual predators. They cannot resist tearing such vulnerable, ignorant prey apart. Also there's nothing worse than the Nah I'd Win powerslopper crowd so I say they fully deserve it.
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>I haven’t read LOTM so I admittedly don’t get this one.
What do you not understand? I thought it was simple. Also, it's not based on LOTM.
>getting the grimoire spell you want
And I will obtain it, so I don't understand why you mention this as if it were a point against the build.
>hinges entirely
No, even without a starting spell, I have more than enough to accomplish my goals. Philosopher stones can be made as a mere level 4 with Mystery.
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>condense 1000+ chapters of the original and almost that of the sequel into a 10+ page cyoa
He doesn't need to. Why would he? Only the most essential lore matters for the cyoa. The story is barely relevant.
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> Om Nom Nom
> Rank A (9/10)
woot woot!
> Though since monster maker and the monster spell are already so versatile together, metamagic doesn’t add much of anything here.
..hmm. I was taking it so I could modify Monster on the fly but thinking about it I'd probably be better off just taking more levels to improve my DA's.
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>This is exactly what will happen and you know it.
Again, I find it weird to accept someone else's interpretation over your own. CYOA daydreaming isn't a ménage à trois with (You), the author and the thread.
>Also there's nothing worse than the Nah I'd Win powerslopper crowd so I say they fully deserve it.
Point.
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The no cap is free for all, the speed isn't. Also 5 isn't a lot of points. Custom God gives you all the resources you need, just 10 points of possibly custom companions perfectly suited to you already gives you max multiplier. And the points aren't wasted either, they can all also be used as resouces to expand your base, you don't spend resources to pick missions, you just need to have enough members.
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>using Metamagic
Yes. Just Yes. That's the answer to Metamagic, it just makes everything possible.
Ironically the best spell for metamagic would be something normally shitty like Lifestyle Magic or Prestidigitation. Something that does a lot of stuff at low intensity, but that's not a problem when you can tweak the values. Can change the temperature by 10 degrees? Try 6000.
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And he is correct. The only character that could beat Ottar is Albert for those in the 1000 years ago timeline as he was explicitly stated to be the strongest. Albert was the guy who took one of the Black Dragon's eyes out.
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updated >>97607590
> Path
Adventurer
> Race
Elf
> Scenario
Early Start (1000 years ago)
Multiplayer
> Training
Survival 1
> Stat Boost
Magic
> Levels
Level Up x3
> Developmental Abilities
Tamer F
Spirit F
Luck F
> Skills
Voice
Monster Maker
Glutton
> Magic
Monster
> Familia
Canon God (Ganesha)
Om nom nom. I have a bunch of monster related abilites: I can craft or modify custom monsters with tailor made abilites, tame them to sell or use as personal servants, turn into them with my spell for combat and utility (as well as other monsters I know of thanks to Survival 1) and even have the option to eat them for permanent boosts (which is especially nice since I can customise their abilities). Voice allows me to command my beasts in the din of combat, Luck protects me and helps me gain the resources I need to fuel my ascent, and finally there are a few magic boosts as the cherry on the cake.
Starting 1000 years before canon because I really need the time to ramp up. My abilities should make me incredibly valuable to Ganesha so I hopefully shouldn't be put in too much danger.
Edited to ditch Metamagic (since my spell is plenty versatile without it and chant connection is a thing I can theoretically just learn) to gain more levels. This means better monster taming, better luck for more protection and resources, and Spirit so I can use my op spell much more often, on top of the general benefits of being higher level. Also there's an image now.
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How much blasphemy would (You) tolerate as a god?
>"For the love of anongod!"
>"I swear by anongod!"
>"Anongod damn it!"
>"By anongod's nuts!"
>"I ignored anongod's holy day!"
>"Anongod is a faggot!"
>"There's no such thing as anongod!"
>"I shit on anongod's altar!"
>"I tortured anongod's priest!"
>"I spit on anongod's avatar!"
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Ottar would lose to the Hera and Zeus executives. He’s only the “strongest” now and only until Finn, Riveria and Gareth get to level 7 (although they do remark that Ottar could become level 8 at any time he wants to).
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I wouldn’t give a single fuck
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Happy to be of service.
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Sacrifice his blood and soul to steal his talent.
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That only works on kitsune (apparently killing and trapping their soul in a stone is a way to steal their magic — which is a lot fucked up since this rips apart the soul and no other race offers this benefit) and not any other race.
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>"For the love of anongod!"
This one is fine.
>"I swear by anongod!"
Tongue gets unbearably itchy if lying.
>"Anongod damn it!"
This one gets you 1 extra day in hell each time its used frivolously.
>"By anongod's nuts!"
Your nuts get a bad rash and shrink by 1 centimeter each time.
>"I ignored anongod's holy day!"
Nobody will ever show up to your birthday ever again.
>"Anongod is a faggot!"
Your sexuality gets inverted.
>"There's no such thing as anongod!"
Show up in a biblically accurate angel visage in their dreams to scare the shit out of them.
>"I shit on anongod's altar!"
You smell like shit for the rest of your life.
>"I tortured anongod's priest!"
You just signed up for a special torture course reserved for you in hell.
>"I spit on anongod's avatar!"
You get syphilis.
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Nothing? Why would I bother doing anything about it. Bell isn't going to fall in love with a guy, the obsession would be different. Also if it's my actual build I have his skill but better and started 1000 years earlier, it's a big assumption the dungeon is even still there and he wasn't butterflied away in some other way before then. Either way he can't catch up.
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He's just a kid, clearly attracted to girls, but like all harem anime protagonists he's denser than neutron star so he doesn't even know what love is. Being saved by a guy would not elicit the same reaction than being saved by a pretty girl. Unless you look like a pretty girl for some reason but that's not my problem.
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You seem to have rated my 1000iq schemer build as though it were a frontlines fighter, which is odd, but it's very easy to get into a specific mindset when doing ratings like these
The remote location was intentional, as I would hope to engage in the schemes of ontario on my own terms, and to indoctrinate cult memebers without interference. There are rapid transit spells and presumabley can be items
If I were to have specified all of my companions, retreat would have been among the spells (Twice)
I will be leveling in the dungeon, while my harem mostly stays home. Given that surviving risk is the main qualifier for a levelup, I think luck and retires should be enough. If not I simply need to train for a hundred years and try again
It does start as a slow life build. Not much to do for the first 40-50 years, but after that I'll be able to start taking over things
Ascending to godhood is a pipedream, FOR NOW.
You know there's a chance the manga ends with bell or someone becoming a god and If I have everything ready by then It could be me
(Or maybe it will happen automatically if I win "The game of the gods")(If not any of that, 10,000 years of spirit research)
The legendary poetry is probably better then you think, because whenever the cyoa talks about resisting a god of beauty it also mentions legendary goods, and a poem is easy to transport and can have meaning specific to an individual
(I actually picked it because I think it would be cute, but it's also a pretty powerful choice)
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>Hedonistic Goddess
>Rank F (4/10)
>God of beauty and charm are really strong together but your other choices are lacking.
>Discerning eye doesn’t do much of anything for this build and the maxed out charm and many alliances are largely redundant.
>Scheming 3 is normally strong but this is a god of beauty without unsuspecting who has only four familia members, so the actual avenues for scheming are extremely limited. >The only real option is to visibly and hamhandedly abuse charm, making the legend quest way, way more difficult than it needs to be when a virgin god inevitably comes down on this tactic.
>Your familia size and composition aren’t at all adequate for a golden child, let alone three level fives.
You know you forgot my most powerful choice starting out 1000 b.c. when the gods are just spawning in no one has familias yet and when they do they will only start from level 1 so 3 level 5s is technically the strongest military force in Orario.
Discerning eye doesn’t do much of anything for this build? Its literally there to fill up the lack of the familia size and its a long term investment, I am going to be doing this for a thousand years, most of the adventurers I started with will most likely be fucking dead by the time the canon started with the possible exception of the golden child who might have reached a long enough lifespan from the combination of levels and being an elf.
Discerning eye is just an overall good skill for human resource management and delegation of the most appropriate individuals to their fitting roles, team synergy and mood management of underlings.
Charm 3 is specifically there to deal with virgin goddesses who are resistant to god of beauty or characters with mind control immunities as its a mundane skill not some magical mind manipulation, there is no magic skill to resist its just pure rhetoric, elegance and mundane good looks.
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legend quest is really damn easy no clue what your worrying about I got scheme 3 I with a moderate effectiveness from being a god, I can probably even just deduce the culprit from the get go and charm 3, God of Beauty and my network of alliances would just allow me to charm and intimidate the authorities, how can Ororios most eligible bachelor do anything wrong? They were clearly framed.
Your familia size and composition aren’t at all adequate for a golden child? Why? There is no threat from the other gods because they are all only starting out and the cults and criminals, scheme 3 with the combination of Charm 3 and god of beauty will allow me to detect, manipulate and charm those threats before they even become a problem.
From your complete dismissal of Discerning Eye its clear that you have a complete misunderstanding of the build. Its made from the long term view of a god not some maximal short term gain. This is why I picked so many alliances instead of recruits because in the long run all of them will be dead when 1000 years pass, but the gods are immortal these stable alliances are a long term investment as I am allying with future power players to cement my own position.
This whole build is based on potential not starting out with powerful options from the start, the goal is literally to use charms, schemes, discerning eye to establish to find and recruit prospective mortals into my organization and to establish a vast network of alliances and subordinate gods to become such an indispensable figure in Orario that I would never be exiled from the city.
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Not the rating guy but level 5s are not the strongest force 1000 years ago. Albert is the only person to injure the One Eyed Black Dragon who wiped out 2 familias with a level 9, multiple 8s, and many 7s. And he was from 1000 years ago.
Nidhoggr was also defeated before then and he required a bunch of spirits summoning a gate to heaven to defeat.
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Actually you picked multiplayer
There would be many people about at a very high level, and you would be a direct threat to all of them, but have few defenses against any of them
Several of them would have scheming 2/3 and would then be smarter then you. Some of them would have High range attacks or similar
You would die almost instantly
I'm not the build rater, but it was extremely generous to assume you got no pushback from larger players
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>>97625790
Nta but the part that makes you a newfag is just discovering >>97625775
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>>97625665
I don't really think that most players are sociopathic murderhobos that would go around killing anyone who they believe to be a threat.
Besides there wouldn't really be any incentive to kill me as I don't really have any goals that would make me oppose them. I don't even have any grand ambitions. My goals are literally to befriend everyone so no one wants to kill me and there would be a lot of disincentive to killing me as you would essentially piss of all of the gods allied with me.
Besides killing gods is Taboo as you will be treated badly in the afterlife and a god can probably kill you with their Arcanum if they really wanted to before being sent of to heaven.
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>>97625967
NTA, I went away for a long time when the hack happened, and when I came back, some anons were saying "thoughbeit". When I inquired about it, I was told I'm a newfag and need to lurk more. So it's a moving target. Anyone who really listens to the "lurk more" advice is hopelessly naive. Perhaps that by itself is a test and teaching of a kind.
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>>97626052
Scottish posted an OC less than a month ago.
And LO's influence is one of the biggest of any author, he is one of the most favorited authors of anons here, Elspeth is one of the best known cyoa characters, etc.
The CYOA books aren't similar at all, we don't post them and have never posted them here. And there's no continuity between CYOA books and cyoag: the cyoag kind of cyoas did not evolve out of CYOA books, they evolved out of the simplistic roll-by-post-numbers posting on /b/. To whatever the extent CYOA books are similar to our cyoas, it's only by convergent evolution.
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You seem like you would make enough mistakes to get yourself killed, and being a loud mind controller is a great way to make people on edge
You are already claiming you would allow any number of rumors to spread about you having commited heinous crimes, and are a "Hedonist" who seeks to attain a position of status and power
Also I would be trying to kill you
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>No, my build is perfect and unkillable
At least this level of hubris is fitting for a god of beauty. We can almost hear the last words too.
>IMPOSSIBLE! HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME!? NOOOOOOOOOOO
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>Path
God - Momus
>Scenario
Early Start 1000 years ago
Multiplayer
>Training
Scheming Rank 3 -12
>Equipment
Familia Weapon -3
Grimoire -4
>Familia
Child x3 -2
Elf - Level 2 - Magic Boost - Mage - Metamagic + Double Canon - Exalt + Raise
Elf - Level 3 - Strength Boost - Prime + Luck - Assist + Search + Pocket Space - Retreat
Elf - Level 2 - Tactics R2 - Courage (All stats) - Spellthief + Mortal Bond
>Assets
Central District
Hovel - Guild Contacts, In House
Home - Forge, Major Weapon (Quality), Study, Major (Quality) Grimoire x5
>Personal Power
Alliance x11 All except Ikelos and Resheph
Blessing -4
Temperance -3
>Quests
Guild Wars
Rivalries - Ikelos and Resheph
Exploration Familia R4
Business Familia R4
Momus is here to make sure no other god gets too ahead of themselves and make sure they are properly critiqued. My sales pitch to multiplayer builds is one free Major Grimoire on the house. The Executive gets the major familia weapon and the vice gets the normal familia weapon. The benefits from our familia are nice and my personal blessing is basically a free Brave skill so you don’t get mind controlled.
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Well I did think of a quite immoral way to get rid of any assassin's a god of beauty can technically charm another god into using their arcanum to just kill all the opposition. Sure very unsportsmanlike but it works.
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>Spellblade
>Shockwave and regeneration are redundant with your magics
shockwave is to have a ranged option that doesn't rely on magic, and with such a small cooldown it can be spammed quite easily
regeneration is to handle the stress from super better and because I'm not sure how effective my heals will be as a level 1 or even as a level 3, we already see in the anime that not only are prothesis very expensive, it also means that magic to restore limbs are not available even to strong famlias.
>Shockwave and regeneration are redundant with your magics
because I'm not a full caster build, we also see that the strongest adventurers (bell, ais, ottar) all have somewhat balanced builds where they use both martial prowess and magic for combat, so I don't think a generalist build will be weaker than a min-maxed one.
still, I'm alright with the judgement, 6/10 is still a passing grade.
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>Essential Sealed Artifacts/Characteristics In Modern Day:
1. S6 Sun: Authenticate information.
2. S4 Sun: Purification, offense, defense, and perception.
3. S5 Door: Teleportation.
Anything else? I'm working out the most essential items to buy, things that pretty much all builds would want ASAP.
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It's probably gonna accidentally get some players mind controlled by a goddess of beauty where they think they are safe from mind control but it's a scam as the blessing only fortified by a moderate amount so they still get mind controlled. This might be a god of beuty Trojan build to give people a false sense of security.
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>>97625107
>"I shit on anongod's altar!"
>"I tortured anongod's priest!"
>"I spit on anongod's avatar!"
These are are hostile violent acts, I'm not no pacifist cuck god, so I'd send my martial followers to resolve it if my avatar wasn't in the area.
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If i'm an omnipotent god, or the kind that might as well be for the purposes of interactions with humans, then I wouldn't care about any of them. I'd never announce myself to them either. I'd like to see where my little dwarf fortress dwarves will develop, I wouldn't have such a personal relationship to them.
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>>97627019
Because he is an evil Demiurge
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>if you still have the pods you can just get in one again later
I think in all scenarios the pods can't be reused for various reasons.
>Cure Terminal Condition: government takes the pod
>True Chrononaut: not enough power to jumpstart the pod sequence
>Reach for the Stars: not enough power to jumpstart the pod sequence
>Cure Mortality: getting back in the pod is deeply frowned upon by everyone
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>Not enough power
You have 80 YEARS to reestablish power, what kind of fucking uber-jobber do you self insert as?
80 Years of increased learning capacity, presumabley with the help of an entire colony of people and plausibley with the help of Elspeth's little sister and literal magic. More then enough to turn on a pod (Of which you have like 1,000 spares, meaning experiments are entirely in the picture)(And do recall that you can view them from the outside with magic, or feel them with machine empathy)
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Are any of them cute men?
I have a weakness for cute men.
ala picrel
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>>97627530
Why post this same argument every thread? At least mix up your shit post.
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There is a possiblity they're just in it for the mechanics.
I don't know the average age of /cyoag/ posters, but I expect our younger ones to be 25~. Danmachi is aimed at 14-15 yo teenagers, so the appeal won't work.
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Is there a build that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu.
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>>97627699
Not surprising. It's like literally one dude and his posse.
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I'm talking about my build with big daddy raga.
>>97627699
The Reggie fight was peak though? It's Yuji who can't win without jumping people.
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>>97627630
You've sold me.
I will now proceed to seduce the cute choco elf.
>>97627641
He's very pretty but I'm not sure he can compete.
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>>97627091
You get sent to any isekai you want but has to share the world with:
>69GokuWeedLord420, powerfag
>Liar Darkfalse, minionfag crossed with edgefag
>Her Most Divine Holiness Mary-Sue, reverse haremfag
Do you take the deal?
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>Goku
A battle addict who chases the adrenaline rush of fighting stronger opponents. Training, leveling up, and pushing past his limits are the only things he really cares about.
He has a loud, almost bacchanalian personality; every fight is a celebration, every near-death experience is exhilarating.
Unfortunately, he constantly drags problems far beyond his ability level straight to your doorstep because he is absolutely convinced that the two of you together can handle anything. In his mind, you are already his best friend and eternal sparring partner, whether you agreed to that role or not.
>Liar
A self-proclaimed dark mastermind whose entire identity is built on lies, manipulation, and theatrical villainy. His plans rely heavily on bluffing, half-truths, and disposable underlings doing the dangerous work.
Despite his pathological dishonesty, he does not betray you. From his perspective, sticking close to you is both convenient and politically safe- crossing you would likely draw the attention of the other two. Riding your coattails is simply the optimal strategy.
He spends most of his time complaining about incompetent subordinates and the incompetence of existing rulers. In his mind, everything would run perfectly if he were in charge.
His temper is fragile; even the smallest deviation from his “perfectly predicted” plans sends him into long, furious rants.
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(cont.)
>Mary-Sue
Someone who treats the new world like the stage of her personal romantic epic. She firmly believes this life exists to provide her with dramatic relationships, loyal companions, and constant validation.
Everyone around her is automatically assigned a narrative role in her story. You are a trusted confidant, attendant, or chamberlain-whatever role best suits the scene she imagines that day.
She expects absolute loyalty from her “entourage,” which naturally includes you and the other two.
Attempting to distance yourself only makes things worse. Any attempt to leave is interpreted as a dramatic plot development, and she becomes increasingly obsessive about pulling you back into her orbit.
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>fuck
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>mary
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>he constantly drags problems far beyond his ability level straight to your doorstep because he is absolutely convinced that the two of you together can handle anything. In his mind, you are already his best friend and eternal sparring partner, whether you agreed to that role or not.
Damn straight.
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Sure. Like someone else said it can't be worse than the Tides.
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I didn't realize 'tard-wrangling was going to be an important part of the isekai adventure, but that was short sighted of me. The upside is I already know how to deal with people like Liar, so it'll be annoying, but not any worse than normal.
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Dream Rapist
>Path:
God (40)
>Race:
God
>Scenario:
Early Start 1000 b.c.
Elsewhere-a hidden location nearby orario
Multiplayer
>Training:
Scheming tier 3 (28)
Tactics tier 2 (20)
Personal Power:
God of Beauty – mind control. (10)
Unsuspecting(9)
Alter Ego(8)- going full incognito
Clairvoyance(7)-introducing random commoners into the familia to act as sleeper agent and spies
Status Thief(6)-know thy enemy
Afterlife(4)-even in the afterlife your going to get raped, killing the dream rapist won’t stop them when you die, when your family, friends die, the dream rapist will rape them in the afterlife.
Dreamer(1)-the main power of the dream rapist, if they will rape players who are targeting other players in their dreams, if that doesn’t stop them on their kill quest, the dream rapist will kill them. Either an assassin slipping a knife in the dead of night or their own companions charmed in their dreams, slits the players throat. The dream rapist will use dreams and clairvoyance to communicate with their agents and in combination of scheme 3 and tactics 3 will stay hidden from detection.
>Familia Members
child x 2 (Elf Assassinator: Demi Human+ level up x3+Escape+stealth+slayer(elf)+duelist+ambush+argonout+invisibility) a good well placed hit to the vitals should even kill high level adventurers especially if it’s a fully charged argonout amped by ambush, duelist and slayer.
Assets:
hovel, income, in-house
Quest:
Legend(tactic)
I was inspired to construct a boogeyman god to mess with multiplayer, just to mess with players. Danmachi players will randomly get raped by futanari monster women in their sleep, just for shits and giggles. If your evil who goes around trying to kill other players, committing other bullhsit or the dream rapist just doesn’t like you will get raped harder and more often. If you’re a real evil son of a bitch then you will get assassinated in your sleep or killed by one of your own mind controlled comrades.
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The dream rapist will wait for you to die, for your friends to die, your family members, 9 generations of your descendants and they will rape all of them in the afterlife for who knows long, just out of petty revenge because you decided to kill them.
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only works if your god is in heaven when you are dead, so they also need to be dead while you are dead, otherwise they won't be able to protect you and then its not even guaranteed that they can protect you fully. You might get 50% heaven and 50% tentacle hentai as an afterlife.
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If both of them remember me, the one that just wants me to reincarnate will always have preference
The afterlife is a job. The dream rapist has the status of a hr karen talking about how they will abuse their position
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I'll consign everyone to eternal damnation just in case long before any of these heinous acts could take place.
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oh I made this build to show off how fucked up Dreamer is its probably the third most fucked up god power behind God of Beauty and Erasure.
The description says or harmlessly torment enemies, sure its physically harmless but psychologically torturing people in their dreams is still quite fucked up.
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Name- Tank
Path- Adventurer
Race- Human
Training- Combat (4 pts)
Equipment- Magic Armor (2 pts)
Stats
Strength (1 pt)
Endurance (1 pt)
Development Abilities
Resist (1 pt)
Defense (1 pt)
Negate (2 pts)
Armory (2 pts)
Reflect (4 pts)
Lifesteal (4 pts)
Skills
Breathless (1 pt)
Knight Wall (4 pts)
Brave (4 pts)
Fortress (5 pts)
Berserk (6 pts)
Regeneration (8 pts)
My build is all about survivability. I tried to choose every defensive ability in the game. Knight Wall gives me a bonus to fighting large groups of enemies or defending large groups of allies. Fortress makes me an immovable object. Berserk allows me to gain offensive momentum the longer I fight. Finally Regeneration allows me to heal over time.
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Moloch
>Path:
God (40)
>Race:
God
>Scenario:
Early Start 1000 b.c.
Multiplayer
>Training:
Combat tier 3
Charm tier 3
Personal Power:
Falna Expert
Teaching
Unsuspecting
Status Thief
Clairvoyance
Alter Ego
Discerning Eye
Erasure
>Familia Members
Child
Elf - Glutton + Hidden Ace
Just gonna kidnap, mindwipe, and sacrifice people to my chosen one. For some spicy plays I can kidnap someone, wipe their mind, and pretend to be their god using my ability to handle their Falna.
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I want to fuck a bunnyboi as much as any other straight (not superstraight™) guy but not a bunnyboi like that.
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I would like to fight this build. I think it would be fun. (https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97614311/#97615935)
Naisu builderu.
>>97628223
White rabbits look pure but they're actually hedonistic fucks? idk. How are the other two related to bunnies? I don't really watch isekai.
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>>97627806
>Goku
Vghhh I always wanted to be Vegeta, you son of a bitch I’m in
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>Girlfriend GF on first try
>Childhood Friend GF on second try
I keep getting normal wholesome GFs.
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>>97627994
>You think rape is funny?
It can be.
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Probably alot all things considered as i would probably be too busy dealing with other things to care like keeping the world intact against foreign forces and random events etc etc
If I'm busy holding back a demon god invasion or stopping a meteor storm from crashing into the planet in the future or whatever I don't think I would have the time to worry about what some rando is doing and if I had the spare time for that I would much rather use it to get more important things done or to do things I actually like doing like idk making plastic models or animate dolls/golems or smth (Hey everyone needs a hobby)
If such things can't be ignored like if it actually has some effect upon my power cause I draw power from faith and belief and whatever or smth then I guess I would just have to make some kind of administrator or smth to watch over such things for me and it'd probably be up to this administrator how much would be allowed and I probably would make them with a focus on long term sustainability and impact reduction
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>>97628223
>What’s with anime associating cute twinky boys with white rabbits anyway? Megumi, Bell, Subaru, etc.
Ecchi and hentai titles used to be obsessed with Alice in Wonderland. Throw in the chance to genderflip Hugh Hefner's Playboy bunnygirls . . .
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>>97629051
>>willingly giving outer deities a foothold before we even have one (1) god
>why are you so suicidal? why do you hate humanity?
I'm not that familiar with Lord of the Mysteries, but why would accepting a boon do that? Boons come from higher level Beyonders, so unless (you) were already on an outer god Pathway, there would be no outer god involvement
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>but why would accepting a boon do that?
Boons make the person more like the boon giver, it's a form of corruption. Normally getting boons from the GOOs means that you're serving/worshipping them, which opens you to even more corruption (besides the boon itself). There are ways to counteract the corruption from boons like already being a potions beyonder and balancing the corruption by digesting your potion, and there are ways to leech boons without being tied to the GOO's (rituals coming from the theft of heavenly mysteries from error, leeching from high level corruption of the pathway for example). The cyoa is likely to have one way or another for doing it.
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>>97629236
But that's not what anon asked. The original post asserted that accepting a boon meant giving the outer gods a foothold. That's totally different than corruption/possession by a high Sequencer following one of the Creator's Pathways.
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>>97629306
>three or four rounds
Huh? It's been reduced to one lately.
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What higher level Beyonders are going to exist in the modern day origin? Getting a characteristic without going through the potions process results in insanity and monsterfication 99.99% of the time, and anyone that inherited memories should be starting at sequence 9. There just won't be any sane high-level Beyonders to entreat for boons for at least years to come. Only things you could entreat for boons near the start would be Sefirots or GOOs.
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>>97629306
We are being prepared. Soon, captchas will be full-on Touhou battles. Anons will be trained kicking and screaming into Touhou masters.
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The numbers of captchas you need to do is reduced when you've done a large number of them within browser cookie memory. So that's not a site change.
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>>97629282
>That's totally different than corruption/possession by a high Sequencer
Not really. The outer gods are the high sequencers of their respective boon pathways, and if you don't have a way to counteract the corruption, eventually you will become one of their fanatic adherents (which is what anon was talking about).
So if you have random people that can't steal boons, don't have anything to protect them from corruption, then they will eventually become cultists for the GOOs, thus a foothold for them to act on the planet. Obviously this applies only to the boons from GOOs, boons coming from the sefirah on earth don't have that issue.
Well not like this matters that much for us since it's pretty much certain that the cyoa will offer a way t take said pathways safely, but you should assume that any other boon holder is a ticking time bomb.
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>>97629315
>Only things you could entreat for boons near the start would be Sefirots or GOOs.
Perhaps, but that doesn't make them outer gods.
(All outer gods are Great Old Ones in LotM, but not all Great Old Ones are related to the outer gods. Nine of the most active GOOs are fragments of the Original Creator and/or Above the Sequence beyonders (like Adam or the Ancient Sun God).
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>>97629314
>three or four rounds
>Huh? It's been reduced to one lately.
Yesterday I was getting four, and today it's three.
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>>97627752
>You get sent to any isekai you want but has to share the world with:
>>69GokuWeedLord420, powerfag
>>Liar Darkfalse, minionfag crossed with edgefag
>>Her Most Divine Holiness Mary-Sue, reverse haremfag
>Do you take the deal?
Do we get the powers (etc)? Do they? And is planeswalking away an option?
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>>97626542
Having some fishmen flunkies would let (you) run amuck in Pirate Life. At least in the early stages. There's all kinds of nasty things you can do to a ship if you have explosives and can work below the water line.
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>>97629306
Yeah its getting fucking annoying.
>>97629319
>t danmahomo ratffaggot
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>>97629480
Obviously there are some powers if they have them, and obviously planeswalking isn't a viable option if you have to deal with them. They're your party members, and you get cool shit, but you have to put up with them to get it.
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>>97629654
No. Boons aren't really "your" power, and you don't have any of the Characteristics in your body. Whatever gave them can take them back whenever they want (unless you start doing conceptual Theft shenanigans).
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I see. So the best way to use boons is to pick a complementary path to your main one, and use the former to supplement the latter. For example, as a Hanged Man beyonder, you can pick Sun boons to solve the corruption from listening to secret entities.
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>>97629271
Viltrumite Physiology
Mahogara's Adaptaion
>>97629655
I don't know if there is some devil fruit that can grant immortality but if there is it quite cheap, also by being a viltrumite you can naturaly live to 5000 years or more
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>>97627806
>convinced that the two of you together can handle anything. In his mind, you are already his best friend and eternal sparring partner.
He's right.
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>And is planeswalking away an option?
nta but that would makes the deal useless.
>Do we get the powers (etc)? Do they?
they're sent to the same cyoa as you so they probably have builds fitting their personas
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>Goku
So this image sum up his whole logic?
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>>97629286
Why can't wwe just be frens
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>>97629655
alchemy can make philosopher stones to make yourself immortal for the low low price of hundreds of souls
chakra and nen have the potential for immortality but you will have to research it on your own (you still get top tier talent in both of them so it should be far from impossible)
limitless+six eyes could theoretically let you do a sukuna and turn yourself into a cursed spirit/object to live forever, but it seems less likely than nen or chakra
mahoraga's adaptation maybe? it can adapt to all and any phenomena, so aging should be included
eidolon's shard most likely has a path to immortality
wand+dumbledore's magic if you don't mind losing your nose in the process
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Overhaul and Alchemy can definitely do it. Limitless can let you use constant full-body healing, so it should prevent you from aging. Eidolon's shard can do it if you give it a renewable power source from any other power listed. HP magic can technically do it, but god will hate you. It's theoretically possible for the sharingan and annihilation maker, but that's a bit sketchy. A stand or devil fruit could do it, but they'd only have a small amount of power outside of that. Viltrumites can age incredibly slowly, probably long enough for medical science to advance far enough to cure aging, and the omnitrix might let you invent a cure for aging yourself by turning into a galvan, but neither of those are too promising or they'd have happened already in canon (these are space faring empires, after all).
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>>97629915
>Limitless can let you use constant full-body healing, so it should prevent you from aging
Immortality + CE will turn you into something like Tengen in 500 years, if it's not something like Kenny's tech. Makora's adaptation may lack this drawback as well.
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I think that was "just" Tengen's innate technique. It caused her to gradually evolve beyond humankind, and she manually reset her body every so often by stealing new ones. Kenny's technique was also based on stealing new bodies.
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Oh shit, you're right. Azmuth's dad cloned himself and brain transferred into it to regain his youth.
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Is there any reason not to choose custom god? It seems kind of wasteful not to take it. Author even said you can design them, in any way you wish, physically as well as in personality.
So why not create a second not!Freyja? One that’s loyal only to you?
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>>97627345
>S3 Mother
>Return to Earth: Pallbearers are able to make Undead creatures within a 10 km range quickly dissipate, Returning to the Earth, to the embrace of Mother.
>Even if an Undead were to possess Godhood, they can only resist a few seconds. Only an complete Undead Mythical Creature can avoid this effect.
Another addition to the list of things the Death God path is countered by. Literally beating a dead horse.
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>>97630319
Yeah well mine will be different.
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>>97630477
The issue with entropists cosmology isnt that its "grimderp" the issue is that its broken to pander to the player.
>the father exerts no control over the sons and theyre sociopathic powerfags and monsters, but they all work together and help each other out and are cool and friendly
>the mother micromanagers her daughters, but theyre all antisocial and work against each other and dont work together despite their stated goals and general nature
The setting is as convoluted and silly as it needs to be to pander to power fantasy at any given moment. THAT is the problem with entropist, its an utter creative void.
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>>97630518
Also the whole
>the embodiment of entropy and massive nihilist doomer who wants you to kill all the people ever father
>sends all the people he wants to kill everyone alive for nihilistic doomer reasons living onaholes to have kids with
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>profit!
Entropist is about as well written as something like Lightlark.
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>>97630535
Ultimate god is ultimately(heh) generic and in typical aromage fashion steals from other media almost as much as entropist. But ultimate god is at least coherent with itself, it has a vision for the sort of world it wants to create and does it.
Its a rather unimaginative creative vision, but its a creative vision nontheless. Entropist doesent have that, there is nothing entropist wants to say or world it wants to create. It has merit below a gohan blanko edit called "blood saiyan" where he gets red eyes and demon powers.
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>>97630569
Thats almost a limitation of the medium.
CYOA are, despite the page length of some, a fairly "information light" format, theres a lot of images but theres really not a lot of room for worldbuilding unless you do big text-walls and shit. They rely on visuals and common ground (tropes/genre) to work, being basically character creators/prompts for an adventure in a world that you havent had time to fully explain.
If youre going to have a very unique and alien world, people wont have those reference points and assumptions. They wont immediately be able to tell "oh this is like X from Y". Which means you either need to add lots of information to fully flesh out everything (since you cant rely on the readers intuition/asumptions to do it for you) or you leave your readers dangling and lost to some extent.
So on top of the obvious "a generic setting is easier to come up with" - which will obviously be a factor - generic settings suit the nature of cyoa better.
If someone tells you "would you rather be a level 1 warrior or a bottom tier cultivator" you already have assumptions as to what those things are because they evoke concepts you are familiar with. "would you rather a kitsune, dark elf or dryad?". Once again, you can basically autocomplete some version of a cyoa from just that prompt, because you know what those things are "usually" and can thus imagine what they would be like. "would you rather a stonechild, eyekin or horned one"? That one doesent work the same way, you dont know what the fuck those are. You might be able to imagine something based on the names, but its nothing as vivid or clear. I would need to explain it (and you as a reader would need to read that explanation, which adds a barrier to making a choice).
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>>97630558
>But ultimate god is at least coherent with itself
No it isn't, as an example even the aspects themselves are completely incoherent in what gets what powers. The cosmology gets more and more retarded the more you think and read about it.
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>>97630575
Has the actual lore on that been revealed yet or just implied? Seems like gods should be able to handle the dungeon.
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>>97630661
The only one that doesnt make perfect sense is time getting technology, and even that is explained with 'time = progression = technological advancement'. It's not a perfect fit, but it's silly to say it's completely incoherent.
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>>97630509
In reality he's pic related.
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Inb4 aro keeps samefagging to defend these retarded decisions
>time gets technology instead of creation
>death gets fate instead of time
>creation gets faith and order instead of unity
>destruction gets hate instead of heart
>freedom, the chaos aspect, gets nothing chaos related and probability is instead shoved into wisdom
>light gets wisdom instead of mind
>unity gets heritage instead of life
>heart gets emotion instead of mind
>heart gets soul instead of life
>heart exists at all
>mind gets choice instead of freedom
Thats just the retarded shit of the aspects themselves, the setting itself, especially with the stupid shit she teased before like the meta just outright being omniscient and omnipotent and breaking the fourth wall, breaking any possible lingering immersion, or that stupid flame thing that supposed to be duality even though the lord went insane from absorbing his counterpart, or even that the literal infinite omniverse is no longer infinite and has a literal wall around it.
God aromage is so retarded it hurts, she can't even make a power fantasy setting correctly. The cyoa is called ultimate god yet you aren't even the strongest nor are you even fucking unique, and even gods die to old age.
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Go Hog Wild. Wallow Freely, Continuously
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>>97630575
The gods can nuke entire worlds. They can’t fight the dungeon because the dungeon is part of a mutual game or agreement of some kind. The dungeon also has the right to consume the gods if they die in the dungeon. This is a reverse of the dungeon getting punished for trying to encroach into the upper world.
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>>97630763
Oh and don't even get me started on how destruction, death and darkness are all the same fucking aspect just with different names. Or how creation gets holy magic shit but destruction doesn't get a corruption or evil element to it. Don't even get me started on the stupid fucking retard vtuber shit she keeps putting in the companion sections.
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Samefag use your frontal lobe for a moment and think about those three aspects. Here, i'll even give you a hint
Destruction, the aspect of entropy
Death, the aspect of entropy
Darkness, the aspect of entropy
They all do literally the exact same fucking thing, they destroy things and embody nothingness.
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>redditor brains cannot read
I see the arosimps are out in full force today. I'm suprised you have enough faculty to get past the capchas.
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>because he has no arguments.
You are part of the growing illiteracy statistic my redditor.
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>>97630694
Stonechilde/children of stone are actually a reptilian humanoid, their scales and coarse skin give them the appearance of stone (hence the name). A cold blooded species, theyre slow to act and often remain so still that they resemble statues.
Their stony skin is highly durable, and they often dwell in conditions inhospitable to other races. Preferring the solitude of extreme regions where they can dwell in meditation or philosophical pursuits.
Eyekin are an unnatural race created through the experimentation of continental mages from Uthil. Gaunt and waifish, their faces are thin and sallow, adorned with uneven numbers of eyes which seem to gaze absent-mindedly in multiple directions. Although physically infirm the eyekin possess keen minds and are said to be able to communicate without speaking. Their multiple eyes are capable of perceiving all manner of things, seeing spectrums of existence than their former masters could not experience themselves. Adult eyekin possess the rare and valued ability to perceive the flow of magic. They revere the seer of the one path, a presumably mythic member of their race that was said to have attuned themselves beyond all senses, learning to view fate itself, and guided their people to freedom.
Horned ones are a bestial lot, brutish and swarthy, they resemble the beasts of the plains more than other people. Their crests are adorned with a set of horns, with the size of ones horns serving as a symbol of status within their hierarchy. The females are generally docile and skittish, but the males are known to be aggressive and hot blooded, especially when around strangers or seeking to impress a mate. Their elongated limbs allow them to gallop on all fours, and their powerful jaws are well suited to eating tough roots and gnawing upon bones. They live in large tribes which travel their homelands seeking game and foraging, mercilessly attacking any interlopers into what they view as claimed territory.
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>>97630615
An actual well thought out post about CYOA design in this general is so fucking weird to come across.
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>>97633278
It's well written but I also think it's completely wrong.
>>97630615
You can make a setting original, while also using familiar reference points! A setting without familiar reference points is normally a bad idea, AND a generic setting is normally a bad idea, that's not a contradiction!
Another way to put it: divide exposition in 2 stages: introduction stage, and development stage. The introduction stage makes the audience comfortable with familiar hooks, and the developing stage the features of the setting once the audience is comfortable with the basics (which can go wild).
Like Neon Genesis Evangelion. It starts with a straightforward young mecha pilot vs hostile aliens plot, and only step by step is the schizo lore introduced, and it was a famous success.
Or Morrowind. The dark elves in Morrowind are a go-to example of an original fantasy culture done well, but at their core they're still (historically) demon-worshipping dark elves, an approachable introduction to them.
Or of cyoas, JRPG Traitor.
NGE and Morrowind aren't cyoas, but imo you never really make the case it should work differently for cyoas than for vidya/anime, and imo it doesn't. The 2 stage approach is still applicable.
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The thing I see as different between CYOA and for example morrowind, is that morrowing/TES have games (multiples) to establish their setting and lore. Yes, you obviously can make settings and stories which use understood elements in new and interesting ways, or which have entirely original elements.
But that takes time and space, which is my point. CYOA are a relatively short-form form of storytelling, you arent writing a novel as much as a blurb. Cyoa are, to put it crudely, tiktok shorts.
>but at their core they're still (historically) demon-worshipping dark elves, an approachable introduction to them.
Sure, they definetly play into a lot of the typical dark elf tropes. But thats the thing, if you were to describe dunmer in the abstract (like you would for an option in a cyoa) they wouldnt be seen as a vibrant and original fantasy culture, they would just sound like typical dark elves. "the ashen skinned dunmer are the denizens of the inhospitable land of morrowind, combatative and supremacist, they are one of the last holdouts of slavery in the empire. Dunmer make for skilled assassins and mages, two professions highly valued in their society, and are known to engage in frequent daedra worship. Dunmer women are known for their promiscuity, with a reputation as seductresses and harlots."
The things that make dunmer so interesting, conflicts in their society relating to their past and interaction with external forces, the way they adapt to their environment and the way they treat their carousel of gods? Thats much harder to get across in a cyoa, especially in a "natural way". Im sure its not impossible, but its something made difficult by the format.
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>JRPG traitor
I would say that like NGE these also heavily rely on genre. Thats like, half of why they work. Evangelion is a deconstruction/homage to mecha, its not "not generic", it relies on the genre to function. JRPG traitor is also downright reliant on said genre understandings and shorthands/associations the reader has even before reading it. It might do intersting and new things with said genre conventions, but thats still "a generic setting" in many respects.
Hell, throw in OR too. OR does a lot of very novel things, it has things to say, its a pseudo-meta setting which relies heavily on isekai genre conventions and traditional fantasy tropes as shorthand in a very deliberate way. But its still ultimately "a fairly generic setting". With very traditional elves/humans/orcs/isekai elements in there.
Being generic isnt the same as being bad or having no new variations on the genre staples. It just means an adherence to or reliance on genre conventions, which I believe cyoa as a medium are strongly pushed towards by the limitations of the medium.
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The setting is literally an expanded version of Second Apocalypse which makes it completely creatively bankrupt but also funny that almost no one else in the thread reads enough to notice it. Entropiss is derivative trash but it's perfect for the standard cyoa reader who didn't even notice it.
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>>97633820
You can't create interesting settings and make a successful cyoa at the same time since cyoas are meant to be self-indulgent games for their players first and narratives second (if at all). Big lore cyoas were always a mistake.
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>You can't create interesting settings and make a successful cyoa at the same time
Sure.
But my point is that the nature of cyoa, as short "idea prompts" or choice scenarios lends makes the creation of fleshed out and "new" things difficult, and makes a reliance on preestablished concepts and wider ideas a lot more natural and "suitable". You obviously CAN make an entirely original setting for your cyoa, but the nature of cyoa and the limitations of the format encourage and benefit genre.
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Derivative lore. An Umineko cosmology that drips into not a mix of modern D&D and isekai. It's popular because its setting is easily digestible by people who have interacted with similar ones in the past. Even JRPG Traitor is built like this. A stolen cosmology that leads to a generic setting. This is why they're successful and not only that but the authors were conscious that an original more detailed setting would not have worked. Tankista is a good authos but nor for the reasons you think he is.
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>>97634413
You are being dishonest as fuck. Calling a fantasy cyoa a dnd derivative because it has orcs and elves is like peak midwit take.
As for Umin-whatever, I have never interacted with it beyond anons mentioning it from time to time (and I'm sure this applies to 90% of anons who played OR) so your point is beyond moot.
Fact is, you said lore heavy cyoas can never be successful and I presented you with irrefutable proof otherwise. Any further nitpicking is irrelevant.